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#21 Mar 3, 2006
the real story is probaly none of your buiness!! These families just lost, beautiful wonderful additions to their families!! Show some respect!! And alothough this board is for anyone to post their opinions, you could still do it in a way that respects those who lost their loved ones! I'm praying for all who knew them and I hope you can stay strong!
#22 Mar 3, 2006
How old are you Fellow teen? Just curious?
#23 Mar 3, 2006
She was peer pressured and it was the only mistake she has ever made in her life and I can't tell you what happened it wouldn't be fair to Heather.
#24 Mar 3, 2006
I can respect that. I am definitely not pointing any fingers in this horrible situation; I just know what the media puts out as to what happened, thought maybe there was more to this than what was told in the papers (which there may be....I probably will never know). I am deeply sorry for your loss...I can not begin to imagine how painful this has to be, so I won't lie to you and say I know how you feel...because I know I don't.
I can understand that she fell to peer pressure and that this was probably the first permiscuous thing she ever did. I am very sorry it ended up this way. I know we all have "broken the rules" as teens, no one ever wants to see someone lose thier loved one over such a trivial situation as this started out as. We are all human, curiousity is a trait of that...its all part of growing up I guess. I know that I was in many situations as a teen that could have potentially turned out for the worst, I just didn't know it at the time, felt invincible I guess. There is not much else I can say about this situation except I have been and will continue to pray for the souls of these teens whom I did not know, and I will definitely keep praying for the families who have to endure such a loss. Godspeed...
#25 Mar 3, 2006
"Fellow Teen", how can you say I am being dispresctful. Go back and read all of my posts throughout this forum; I have done nothing BUT show respect for the family members. People are on here to talk. As a Psychologist, I can tell you that talking about a loss is simply part of the healing process. It is human nature to want to talk to others about the feelings, hurt, grief, etc. My question about what happened was not disrespctful at all, simply a question to a comment posted by "family member", furthermore, "family member" did answer the question that I asked, which tells me that this person IS wanting to talk a little about the situation; obviously "family member" put limits about how much he/she wants to disclose right now, that is perfectly normal.
I would greatly appreciate it "fellow teen" if you would let others speak for themselves and not speak for them. Thank you.
#26 Mar 4, 2006
SayWhat- I am 15.
Irishman-Family Member wrote:
"It is a horrible thought right now in this family and we certainly don't need people calling them stupid on this board. We don't need idiots calling them dumb because they don't know the real story."
And you responded,"What is the real story?"
Well i meant what i said the real story is for the family and friends to know not for people who just want to judge them and whatever happened say that they were in the wrong!! Even if "Family member" told you, you still wouldn't have respect you would always think of them as reckless teenagers, b/c that was your first impression of them, due to the media!! It is a sad sad thing but it's the truth! And if you can speak freely about whatever crap you put up here i sure as hell am going to put my beliefs out there!!! you said yourself "this is for people to talk" I"m a people and I'm talking!!! And i wasn't only talking to you when i said,"the real story is probaly none of your buisiness!" I was talking to almost everyone on this page!!
My deepest sympathy goes out to the family and friends who lost loved ones in this horrible accident! Your in my prayers!
#27 Mar 4, 2006
I just don't get it-no where on this board has anyone trash talked about these CHILDREN or the 2 missing in the canoeing accident.
Irishman and I have offered out thoughts and opinions-we aren't/weren't related to any of these children (Sorry Irishman-I can only presume this) yet all this sentiment about the CHILDREN missing, killed and injured doesnt allow room for questions, pondering or inquires?
Unfortunately these CHILDREN are now statistics-numbers kept by vital records, Highway Administration and Insurance companies. What can Fellow Teen and others like her learn from this-the harsh reality of dealing with death of a loved one at such an early age-you tell me FellowTeen.
My deepest sympathy goes out to the family and friends who lost loved ones in this horrible accident! Your in my prayers!
#28 Mar 4, 2006
You know Sweet Pea. You should consider changing your name to anything but with the word Sweet in it. WHy not "Heartless" that would fit your personality PERFECT
#29 Mar 4, 2006
I agree with you completely "Familyandfriends"!! they are deffinatly not statistics or numbers as you said, they are still people! and it was a horrible thing to say that!! What can i learn?? what can i learn?? I learned that I need to keep my loved ones close because at any minute they could vanish or be killed and i would never see them again!!I'm not realted to them either but i can still feel pain and sorrow for their family and friends unlike you sweetpea who looks at them as "numbers" and "statistics" instead of beautiful and loving people!!!
I hope the family and friends don't think everyone considers the teens lost in this accident think that they are numbers and statistics! Because most people with HEARTS will remember them as loving and caring youth!!
#30 Mar 4, 2006
"Even if "Family member" told you, you still wouldn't have respect you would always think of them as reckless teenagers, b/c that was your first impression of them, due to the media!!"
Well, fellow-teen, I am sorry that you feel that you know what my first impression was. Obviously, you and I do not know one another. I have not attacked your remarks within this forum and I certainly have not pre-judged anyone within this discussion. I would appreciate the same respect from you. There is no where within this forum that you can identify any of my comments as being pre-judged. Why do you think I was asking questions about this in the first place? I was simply trying to get as many facts together as possibly from people who may have had a better source of information than I have (the media...). It also gives me the opportunity to talk with people directly affected by the losses and be able to give them a source of release. If they are on this site, they must want to talk about it a little...it is definitely a start in the healing process.
But my ultimate reason for finding out more information about this tragic incident was to find out if there was a way it could have been avoided in the first place (aside from the teens not being out in the first place). I.E. was the other driver that hit the honda at fault? If so, why and how could it have been prevented? I am active within the lobbying of state legislature and senate councils, therefore if there was something that caused this accident such as poor pavement markings, malfunctioning traffic lights, or poor street lighting, I could lobby to have these issues addressed and have more funding available to the state to conduct audits on high accident to traffic ratio areas and invest the monies into fixing issues such as these found in the results from the audits.
The question here really is, what is so wrong about wanting to decrease the risks so that this might be able to be prevented in the future? What is wrong with wanting to save the lives of future teens/adults who might find themselves in a similar scenario?
#31 Mar 4, 2006
P.S. I know my username shows my residence as North Carolina, that was an error caused during my setup of the account. I actually live in Richmond, Va., just to set the record straight.
#32 Mar 4, 2006
why dont you lay off people and their parents? who are you making feel better-the parents? the deceased? no. no one is feeling better except you at others' expense- dont you think those parents are greiving? their babies, their children, their families are gone, dead, never going to be seen again unitl the parents are in heaven- you know- i hope that there is a drastic change in your attitude- i will continue to pray for your redemption and saving of your soul because you desperatly need it.
#33 Mar 4, 2006
I can only imagine that this would have to be one of the worst times for any family member or friend to have to go through. I can also honestly say that my sincerest, deepest sympothies from the bottom of my heart go out to those who lost a loved one in this tragic accident.
At the same time, though, I feel that many of the attacks on SWEETPEA are unfounded.(S)he is simply stating the facts that have been publicized through the media and inquiring about how true those facts are.(S)he has been very consoling thoughout this forum for the surviving. This is a public forum, about a very sensitive subject to friends and family of this discussion, but rather than be subjective to SWEETPEA's comments, it would seem more beneficial to be objective...which I can imagine is difficult at a time like this.
Everyone has a right to voice their opinion, as long as it is done with good taste and faction. I disagree with many of the attacks on SWEETPEA's comments in this forum. How is attacking someone for the comments you do not agree with going to resolve any issues, especially when they start becoming direct personal attacks.
#34 Mar 4, 2006
to their families these kids werent stats so go be heartless some wherte else you whale.
#35 Mar 4, 2006
The last time I checked a "Public Forum" is just that-open to the public. Maybe some of you don't know what a forum is nor have experience posting on one.
This particular thread isn't just for friends or family friends.
Is one not allowed to post or ask questions?
Maybe some of you should take your rant somewhere else.
The "Golden Rule" is of utmost importance. Treat others, as you'd like them to treat you. Remember that there is a real person on the other end of your message. Too often, "we" feel anonymity on the Internet and respond in ways that we would not respond person-to-person. If anything, we need to ALWAYS be kinder on the Internet. Some of you will find people here who will disagree with you. If you can't come to a mutual agreement with them, you should agree to disagree, and move on to a new subject. Hotly debated discussions are welcomed, but insulting other members and being disrespectful isn't necessary. Read over your message carefully before posting it.
Check with the Administrators and/or Moderators of this Forum, but IMHO some simple guidelines might help some of you:
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#36 Mar 4, 2006
Just as you can post you comments freely so can Fellow scms classmate!! and so can anyone else! if she/he wants to call you a whale, so be it! it is open to the public!
#37 Mar 6, 2006
Sweat pea was insensitive. Her first post reeks of judgment it was very offensive. If she thinks her rights are more important than sensitivity that is her moral and ethical choice. An apology however insincere might have been more appropriate. Perhaps she was taught by the Test? It is nice to see the kids have better manners than the Baby Boomers; given where this generation (Baby Boomers) is taking us we are going to need these kids more than chasms built by the moral majority and their useless proclamations that fuel dissent. In that light it is an even greater loss.
#38 Mar 6, 2006
I too have a 15 year old son who had taken my car a couple of months ago. Luckily when I was awakened at 3:00 oclock in the morning it was by my son with the police to tell me he had taken my car without my permission. I live in Brandermill near Swift Creek. The pain that all of these parents are going through is unbearable. I feel sorry for all of the parents that have lost there young teens over the past week. God Bless the Moms!
#39 Mar 6, 2006
they are heros
robert was an organ donor and saved a boys life
he was such a wonderful person
and touched so many lives
if you would have known him
you would understand
you didn't know them
so you don't have a right to say that they weren't hero's
#40 Mar 7, 2006
From the Times Dispatch-
T-shirt tribute debated
Some say allowing students to honor two joy-riding victims as heroes sends the wrong message.
The grieving process for two Mills Godwin High School students, killed in an accident nine days ago, has turned controversial because some students are honoring them as heroes.
The debate hinges on T-shirts worn to school that read "HERO," which stands for the first two letters of the first names of two Godwin students who died last weekend after a car accident.
Some students at the Henrico County school said some other students and parents have criticized them for wearing the shirts as a way to deal with the heartbreak.
Heather Renee Moorefield, 14, and Robert Snead, 15, both died as a result of the crash. Two other teenagers who were also in the car, a 15-year-old boy and a 14-year-old girl, have not been released from the hospital.
The four Godwin students were in a car that one of the boys had taken from his mother's driveway without her knowledge, Henrico police said. The driver did not have a driver's license.
Rachel Galloway, a Godwin student and a friend of Moorefield and Snead, created the T-shirt slogan. She said the idea came to her in a dream.
In the dream, "there were a bunch of people from my school, sitting on the ground, hugging and supporting each other. We were all wearing these shirts that said 'Hero' on the front and 'Heather & Robert, RIP' on the back," she said.
Word of Galloway's idea spread, and many students hand-lettered the shirts. Soon after the accident, "I had someone confront me, saying that they weren't heroes and my idea stunk," she said. "Well, this hurt my feelings, but not for too long. I realized why I had ... that dream. They were heroes. All their lives they did things considered as 'heroic.'"
Henrico schools spokesman Mychael Dickerson said the school system is aware of conflicts between students about the T-shirts.
"School administrators were able to mediate between the groups because we believe it was related to their grieving process," Dickerson said.
Angela Pierce, a Hanover County resident who has a daughter attending Douglas Freeman High School in Henrico, understands the origins of the "HERO" message but takes issue with it.
Sneaking out and taking a parent's car without permission is not proper behavior, she said, and allowing students to wear T-shirts that read "HERO" in their memory sends the wrong message.
"It is a tragedy," Pierce said. "But don't make them a hero, and make it OK to take mom's and dad's car and go out in the middle of the night and do things you're not supposed to be doing."
Laurie Lamb, the mother of a Godwin sophomore, allows her son to wear the T-shirt because she believes he knows stealing a car is not heroic and because, she said, Snead was an organ donor.
"We do not believe that the actions and decisions that were made on Feb. 25 were heroic," she wrote in an e-mail to The Times-Dispatch.
She said students can learn from the loss and that if the accident makes one child refrain from grabbing car keys and taking a joy ride, then it makes them heroes.
"No, at this point, the bad decisions of Feb. 25 were not heroic," she wrote. "But make them heroes--let them save your life."
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