Why They Hate Obama

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common sense

Coffeyville, KS

#9757 Apr 1, 2014
James River wrote:
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traitor......you never fully supported obama anyway. i guess you support the likes o ted cruz and ted nugent. yup....stay in your camp.
I supported him, he lied to me. I don't think I was the one that was the traitor in the relationship!!! Of course that happened to a lot of us so I also don't feel alone either. See, just because you support someone doesn't mean you have to continue to no matter what they do, don't do, or say. You support someone based on what they say they will do and if they choose to lie to you or change their mind or never intended to do what they said in the first place you are not a traitor for taking your support elsewhere....actually you would be a fool not to. When you continue to support someone that lies to you continually and about so much all you are telling them it is ok to lie to me and it is ok to be a failed leader because I don't have the common sense to stop supporting you anyway. Those kind of people are also very handy for abusive people to seek out and criminals as well since it is the perfect kind of person to be a victim. They will take whatever is dished out and keep going back for me. It's sad and almost feel sorry for people like that and makes you want to help them but I'll be damned if I am going to be one!!!

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#9758 Apr 1, 2014
James River wrote:
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thats a lie.....the commonality rests with you taliban like conservatives.
Really? Osamas pals crashed a plane into the pentagon, and Obama's pal Bill Ayers put a bomb there, and bragged about it later....maybe you are too young to recall these historical events?

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#9759 Apr 1, 2014
inbred Genius wrote:
<quoted text>Really? Osamas pals crashed a plane into the pentagon, and Obama's pal Bill Ayers put a bomb there, and bragged about it later....maybe you are too young to recall these historical events?
Or too stupid.....

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#9760 Apr 1, 2014
Or too young and stupid and immersed in entertainment to the exclusion of issues.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#9761 Apr 1, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Correct. As of tomorrow, I will have no health insurance for the first time in my adult life thanks to that Commie. That puts me on the level with all the people that never worked before and had somebody else pay for all of their healthcare.
Barack Insand Obama. Ruining American lives one million at a time.
First, any changes to your health plan would have been initiated at the beginning of the year - I had to UNDER LAW inform my employees of any alternate changes to their existing plan, and provide alternatives, which also indicate costs.

Even though technically I'm exempt, having under 50 employees.

Second - my group plan actually cost more monthly for my employees than the cost on the exchange - so now my employees have a more comprehensive coverage than we had over the last three years - with costs rising an average of 12 to 15% per year! And instead of a $2500.00 deductible, with caps, they now (most of them) have a $1500.00 deductible with no lifetime caps. And THEY shop for what's best, not me as their employer shopping for the least expensive coverage. That's freedom they never had before.

If you were having your employer pay the full cost of your insurance, you're one of the few - most don't - I paid half, my employee's pays the remainder.

If your employer no longer pays for your insurance, have him (if you can negotiate with him) supplement half of the payments he WAS paying on your behalf, and get insurance, and stop bitching here already!

“To contract new debts...”

Since: Apr 08

is not the way to pay old ones

#9764 Apr 1, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
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First, any changes to your health plan would have been initiated at the beginning of the year - I had to UNDER LAW inform my employees of any alternate changes to their existing plan, and provide alternatives, which also indicate costs.
Even though technically I'm exempt, having under 50 employees.
Second - my group plan actually cost more monthly for my employees than the cost on the exchange - so now my employees have a more comprehensive coverage than we had over the last three years - with costs rising an average of 12 to 15% per year! And instead of a $2500.00 deductible, with caps, they now (most of them) have a $1500.00 deductible with no lifetime caps. And THEY shop for what's best, not me as their employer shopping for the least expensive coverage. That's freedom they never had before.
If you were having your employer pay the full cost of your insurance, you're one of the few - most don't - I paid half, my employee's pays the remainder.
If your employer no longer pays for your insurance, have him (if you can negotiate with him) supplement half of the payments he WAS paying on your behalf, and get insurance, and stop bitching here already!
You and your employees are fortunate to be in New York, if your location is to be believed, where healthcare costs are forecast to go down by 40%. Unfortunately this is not the case for the majority of the country, 42 states are forecasting higher costs under the ACA. I live in MA where our costs are supposed to go down as well, 20%. I work in CT where costs are going to be higher by 42% which is still not as bad as Nevada who are going to get hit by a 179% increase.
foster

Ashburn, VA

#9765 Apr 1, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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I see a public school student joined us today; one that does not know how to use a calculator or possess moderate comprehension skills. Perhaps pictures might help:
http://dmarron.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/fa...
So let's try this again: I've been working for the same company for over 20 years. My employer (like all employers) had no legal obligation to provide medical insurance coverage. He could have dropped it five years ago, ten years ago, fifteen years ago, anytime. In the past, he as been able to keep up with the premium increases, but no longer. Now why do you suppose that is?
One of the reasons DumBama is such an outstanding President is because it's never his fault. This health insurance disaster is not his fault, the crummy internet site and failures are not his fault, Fast and Furious is not his fault, Benghazi is not his fault, the terrible economy is not his fault, losing our three star credit rating is not his fault, the most government dependents in decades is not his fault, the slowest economic recovery is not his fault, the national debt is not his fault. Nothing is ever his fault.
Speaking for myself and the millions of other Americans in my position, I'm here to tell you it is his fault. It's all his fault. This moron you elected couldn't run a lemonade stand yet alone national healthcare.
The good news (unlike before the last presidential election) is that Americans are now realizing the mistake we made. All polls show it too. Next election will show it and hopefully, the next dozen or so. I seriously hope Americans will long remember the failures of Socialism in this country and the millions of lives it ruined along the way.
Sounds like your employer found a path to keep more money reducing expenses. If he appreciated you why not give you $5400 for insurance?
foster

Ashburn, VA

#9766 Apr 1, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
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First, any changes to your health plan would have been initiated at the beginning of the year - I had to UNDER LAW inform my employees of any alternate changes to their existing plan, and provide alternatives, which also indicate costs.
Even though technically I'm exempt, having under 50 employees.
Second - my group plan actually cost more monthly for my employees than the cost on the exchange - so now my employees have a more comprehensive coverage than we had over the last three years - with costs rising an average of 12 to 15% per year! And instead of a $2500.00 deductible, with caps, they now (most of them) have a $1500.00 deductible with no lifetime caps. And THEY shop for what's best, not me as their employer shopping for the least expensive coverage. That's freedom they never had before.
If you were having your employer pay the full cost of your insurance, you're one of the few - most don't - I paid half, my employee's pays the remainder.
If your employer no longer pays for your insurance, have him (if you can negotiate with him) supplement half of the payments he WAS paying on your behalf, and get insurance, and stop bitching here already!
His employer could give him the insurance expense and allow him to purchase his own plan
foster

Ashburn, VA

#9767 Apr 1, 2014
harmonious wrote:
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Hundreds of billions from the Fed, Lunkhead.
deny it.
Lunkhead, I found a way to multiply my funds due to market activity. While you find a reason to complain about market activity.

But I'm the lunkhead?
foster

Ashburn, VA

#9768 Apr 1, 2014
harmonious wrote:
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Hundreds of billions from the Fed, Lunkhead.
deny it.
Bush used my tax money for his bailouts. I am due some profits on my IRA accounts. Fri and Mon I saw $7500 in intrest. Turn about is fair play
foster

Ashburn, VA

#9769 Apr 1, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Not at all. He gave us a pay increase, but we didn't get nearly what he was paying for our premiums every month.
An employer cannot give an employee a straight out check for anything. Any monetary exchange between employee and employer has to be taxed. This includes money for healthcare or bonuses such as around Christmas. Everything has to be taxed.
So he gave us an increase in hourly rate minus what it cost him to match additional SS contributions, match Medicare contributions, increase in our retirement account contributions, and then there is extra money needed for Workman's compensation and unemployment insurance.
For myself, he was paying $450.00 per month plus the huge increase in this years premium for medical insurance. For compensation, he gave me an increase of $1.50 per hour, or at the end of the month, a gross increase of about $300.00 per month based on 40 hour work weeks.
After taxes, I will probably see around $220.00 per month of that money. So in other words, because of all the taxation, I will see less than half of what my employer was paying for my healthcare coverage.
By providing medical coverage when this used to be the real America, it was pre-tax money and an individual got much more bang for his buck. Thanks to DumBama and the Democrats, even if I were able to afford an individual policy, I would have to pay it with after-tax money.
As for my company, it's a small business with way under 50 employees so my employer is not subject to any Commie Care fine. But in the last two years, our healthcare premiums increased 30% and he simply cannot keep up any longer. I'm not alone, millions of good Americans are going to face the same problems. But then again, Democrat policies are not about fixing problems, they are about buying votes.
He could have given you the money he paid for insurance and you could have purchased a plan of your chosing.
foster

Ashburn, VA

#9770 Apr 1, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. He gave us a pay increase, but we didn't get nearly what he was paying for our premiums every month.
An employer cannot give an employee a straight out check for anything. Any monetary exchange between employee and employer has to be taxed. This includes money for healthcare or bonuses such as around Christmas. Everything has to be taxed.
So he gave us an increase in hourly rate minus what it cost him to match additional SS contributions, match Medicare contributions, increase in our retirement account contributions, and then there is extra money needed for Workman's compensation and unemployment insurance.
For myself, he was paying $450.00 per month plus the huge increase in this years premium for medical insurance. For compensation, he gave me an increase of $1.50 per hour, or at the end of the month, a gross increase of about $300.00 per month based on 40 hour work weeks.
After taxes, I will probably see around $220.00 per month of that money. So in other words, because of all the taxation, I will see less than half of what my employer was paying for my healthcare coverage.
By providing medical coverage when this used to be the real America, it was pre-tax money and an individual got much more bang for his buck. Thanks to DumBama and the Democrats, even if I were able to afford an individual policy, I would have to pay it with after-tax money.
As for my company, it's a small business with way under 50 employees so my employer is not subject to any Commie Care fine. But in the last two years, our healthcare premiums increased 30% and he simply cannot keep up any longer. I'm not alone, millions of good Americans are going to face the same problems. But then again, Democrat policies are not about fixing problems, they are about buying votes.
So he gave you $2800 annually instead of the $5400 he paid in premiums. You went for that?
foster

Ashburn, VA

#9771 Apr 1, 2014
Your employer took advantage of a 20 year employee because he could.

How could you not see he was fleecing you?

Paying you the premium would not have cost more than he had allocated previously.

Now I see why he hired the new kid that can't use a calculator or read.

you've been Stooged

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#9772 Apr 1, 2014
Hunglo wrote:
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You and your employees are fortunate to be in New York, if your location is to be believed, where healthcare costs are forecast to go down by 40%. Unfortunately this is not the case for the majority of the country, 42 states are forecasting higher costs under the ACA. I live in MA where our costs are supposed to go down as well, 20%. I work in CT where costs are going to be higher by 42% which is still not as bad as Nevada who are going to get hit by a 179% increase.
Yes, I in fact live here in New York, and yes, the savings were projected to be an unrealistically high 53% at one point / I anticipated a 25% savings, and was quite surprised.

Most states seeing increases in insurance also opted out of the ACA as well as Medicaid expansion - these factors have a direct impact on costs as well.
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#9773 Apr 1, 2014
foster wrote:
<quoted text>
He could have given you the money he paid for insurance and you could have purchased a plan of your chosing.
Yes he could have, if he wanted to get hauled into the IRS office every year and get fined.

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#9774 Apr 1, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
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Yes, I in fact live here in New York, and yes, the savings were projected to be an unrealistically high 53% at one point / I anticipated a 25% savings, and was quite surprised.
Most states seeing increases in insurance also opted out of the ACA as well as Medicaid expansion - these factors have a direct impact on costs as well.
NY is also where the 0failurecare death panel rationing is the worst.
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#9775 Apr 1, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
<quoted text>
First, any changes to your health plan would have been initiated at the beginning of the year - I had to UNDER LAW inform my employees of any alternate changes to their existing plan, and provide alternatives, which also indicate costs.
Even though technically I'm exempt, having under 50 employees.
Second - my group plan actually cost more monthly for my employees than the cost on the exchange - so now my employees have a more comprehensive coverage than we had over the last three years - with costs rising an average of 12 to 15% per year! And instead of a $2500.00 deductible, with caps, they now (most of them) have a $1500.00 deductible with no lifetime caps. And THEY shop for what's best, not me as their employer shopping for the least expensive coverage. That's freedom they never had before.
If you were having your employer pay the full cost of your insurance, you're one of the few - most don't - I paid half, my employee's pays the remainder.
If your employer no longer pays for your insurance, have him (if you can negotiate with him) supplement half of the payments he WAS paying on your behalf, and get insurance, and stop bitching here already!
My employer could not pick and choose. He had to cut all of our healthcare plans. He talked with each employee affected by this increase and gave us several choices.

My choice was to take less in hourly pay and have a good healthcare plan. I see no logic in employee contributions (another option he gave us) with after tax money. He also gave us the choice of him providing healthcare coverage, but we pay it entirely. Again, with after tax money.

The other employees involved chose to take the money and to hell with the healthcare plan. None of us could afford to pay the entire premium on our own and none of these other people would dream of making less per hour just to continue healthcare. Some are living check to check as it is.

Given the fact it left only one or two of us still wanting to have healthcare coverage through work, the premium would increase even more and we could get a better deal ourselves even without Commie Care.

There was no simple solution to this complex problem. Government doesn't give you anything because government doesn't have anything. If government gives me a loaf of bread, they must first take that loaf of bread off the table of another. That's what Commie Care is all about.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#9776 Apr 1, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
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NY is also where the 0failurecare death panel rationing is the worst.
Any proof numbnuts, or just wasting bandwidth again?

Death panels have already been debunked you moron.

When an insurance co. puts a cap on your insurance, guess what moron? That's a death panel telling you f'k off - we aren't paying!

When your ins. co. boots you because they found you had a pre existing condition, guess what moron?

The ins. co.(AKA Death Panel) have told you to go die!

God, you are so stupid, it's actually disgusting!

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#9777 Apr 1, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
My employer could not pick and choose. He had to cut all of our healthcare plans. He talked with each employee affected by this increase and gave us several choices.
My choice was to take less in hourly pay and have a good healthcare plan. I see no logic in employee contributions (another option he gave us) with after tax money. He also gave us the choice of him providing healthcare coverage, but we pay it entirely. Again, with after tax money.
The other employees involved chose to take the money and to hell with the healthcare plan. None of us could afford to pay the entire premium on our own and none of these other people would dream of making less per hour just to continue healthcare. Some are living check to check as it is.
Given the fact it left only one or two of us still wanting to have healthcare coverage through work, the premium would increase even more and we could get a better deal ourselves even without Commie Care.
There was no simple solution to this complex problem. Government doesn't give you anything because government doesn't have anything. If government gives me a loaf of bread, they must first take that loaf of bread off the table of another. That's what Commie Care is all about.
I hate to break it to you, but it appears your employer was fronting your entire health coverage - this is very unique - most if not over 75% of jobs always offer medical, with employee contribution / it's been this way for a very long time. You and your fellow employees should have gotten together and stated "we're willing to pay at least 1/3rd of our medical plans."

Average cost of medical for a family of 4 is over $20,000.00 - tack that cost on top of your salary my friend / this is what it's been costing your employer to not only give you a job, but free medical to boot.

Taking less per hour would have been your best bet, depending on how much the decrease would be.

Also, if you have no contract, your employer is under no obligation to provide you health coverage. If you do have a contract, he is liable for at least 50% of the deductible, depending on how your healthcare is allocated.

The premium is dependent on where you live, and what plan you chose. If I and my employees were able to find more than adequate coverage for less than what I was paying, with employee contribution, then you can as well. You probably did not look on the web site, but you would fare better to speak with a health care consultant directly, as they will be able to assess whether you in fact are eligible for subsidies, something the web portal is not able to do yet.

Be grateful you had free medical for so long.

“To contract new debts...”

Since: Apr 08

is not the way to pay old ones

#9778 Apr 1, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
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Yes, I in fact live here in New York, and yes, the savings were projected to be an unrealistically high 53% at one point / I anticipated a 25% savings, and was quite surprised.
Most states seeing increases in insurance also opted out of the ACA as well as Medicaid expansion - these factors have a direct impact on costs as well.
23 states opted out, which is a statement in itself, that list didn't include Vermont or Nevada who are looking at more than 100% increases.

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