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jojo

Springfield, VA

#1 Oct 30, 2009
isn't this becuase we have extended unemployment benefits from 26 weeks to 72 weeks in virginia? People can make more living on unemployment benefits ($326.00 per week) than a 40 hour minimum wage job and they quickly realize this. The system is totally broken.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#2 Apr 18, 2011
Yes, no doubt that the system is completely broke down everywhere as it is just not about Virginia but other states also. I am expecting good things.

Since: Feb 10

Midlothian, VA

#3 Apr 18, 2011
namratasnv wrote:
Yes, no doubt that the system is completely broke down everywhere as it is just not about Virginia but other states also. I am expecting good things.
I expected good things from McDonnell too, but he was suckered into attempting to abolish the VA ABC, a state agency that generates $324 MILLION a year in revenue for the state.

So much for good things.
Jeff K

Conway, SC

#4 Apr 18, 2011
That ABC boondoggle is probably never going to be solved. Most people with common sense know where we "need to be" with regard to fully-privatized liqour sales.......but nobody knows the proper route to take in order to get there.

Each 'plan' they invent or dream about sounds good at first, but the road gets very bumpy & twisty as soon as they learn of the details.

We're probably stuck with the socialized system for now - as I don't see any of the powers that be able to circumvent the obstacles they already have in place. Heck, we still cannot seem to get most citizens and public servants to even agree on what constitutes the proper role of government in this state.
Jeff K

Conway, SC

#5 Apr 18, 2011
BTW, I am not from South Carolina. I am down here on vacation - but nowhwere near Loris. Sheesh!

I have lived in VA for more than twenty years, but certain aspects of SC are quite appealing.(They also have private liquor stores here - Woohoo!!)

Since: Feb 10

Midlothian, VA

#6 Apr 18, 2011
Jeff K wrote:
That ABC boondoggle is probably never going to be solved. Most people with common sense know where we "need to be" with regard to fully-privatized liqour sales.......but nobody knows the proper route to take in order to get there.
Each 'plan' they invent or dream about sounds good at first, but the road gets very bumpy & twisty as soon as they learn of the details.
We're probably stuck with the socialized system for now - as I don't see any of the powers that be able to circumvent the obstacles they already have in place. Heck, we still cannot seem to get most citizens and public servants to even agree on what constitutes the proper role of government in this state.
The main problem is that politicians are writing the "plans". Idiots like Dandy Doug Wilder that got caught attempting to buy 10 stores while he was governor and floated a "test" plan.

None of the plans submitted have in any way benefited the citizens, just the corrupt politicians that want to enter or expand their liquor businesses.

Perhaps the government should not be in the liquor sales business, but like you said, nobody has a "workable" plan. Until then, the governor should leave it alone. The state can't afford to give up $324 Million a year.
Jeff K

Conway, SC

#7 Apr 18, 2011
I know it is a thorn in your side, but there are many of us who know that the state should not be in the liquor business at all. Their role should be regulation, enforcement and tax collection -- not marketing, distribution and retail sales.

I was at a liquor store here in SC today (privately-owned, of course) and noticed that Gentleman Jack sold for $22.99 in the 750ml size. The same bottle in VA goes for $34.00 in ABC stores. Likewise, a huge bottle (1.75L) of Jim Beam is $21.00 here and almost $30.00 in VA. A 750ml of Kahluah was cheaper here, although the four-pack of 200ml was MORE EXPENSIVE than in VA (sold at regular grocery stores).

Anyway, it is amazing how competition keeps prices lower -- since people will vote with their dollars. Unfortunately, we don't have the option in the Communistwealth of VA

We'll never agree on the role of government, but it is obvious that some things should be left to the private sector. The rub is -- well, how do we get there in VA? Giving up 324 million is going to be rough, but I believe it is necessary. Also, much of that 324 million won't be necessary because the ABC payroll can be significantly reduced if the state gets out of the liquor business altogether (save for its role in enforcement and revenue/tax collecting).

Time for VA to move into the 21st Century now, sir.

Since: Feb 10

Midlothian, VA

#8 Apr 18, 2011
Jeff K wrote:
I know it is a thorn in your side, but there are many of us who know that the state should not be in the liquor business at all. Their role should be regulation, enforcement and tax collection -- not marketing, distribution and retail sales.
I was at a liquor store here in SC today (privately-owned, of course) and noticed that Gentleman Jack sold for $22.99 in the 750ml size. The same bottle in VA goes for $34.00 in ABC stores. Likewise, a huge bottle (1.75L) of Jim Beam is $21.00 here and almost $30.00 in VA. A 750ml of Kahluah was cheaper here, although the four-pack of 200ml was MORE EXPENSIVE than in VA (sold at regular grocery stores).
Anyway, it is amazing how competition keeps prices lower -- since people will vote with their dollars. Unfortunately, we don't have the option in the Communistwealth of VA
We'll never agree on the role of government, but it is obvious that some things should be left to the private sector. The rub is -- well, how do we get there in VA? Giving up 324 million is going to be rough, but I believe it is necessary. Also, much of that 324 million won't be necessary because the ABC payroll can be significantly reduced if the state gets out of the liquor business altogether (save for its role in enforcement and revenue/tax collecting).
Time for VA to move into the 21st Century now, sir.
No Jeff, the $324 Million is profit that goes to the state AFTER all costs are paid. NONE of that goes to payroll costs.

All the plans that have been "suggested" will only increase the costs to citizens. In simple terms, currently the state makes about a 45% NET profit (AFTER ALL COSTS ARE DEDUCTED), something no private company that I know of makes.

I have no problem with the role of government as you suggest(regulation, enforcement and tax collection), I have a problem with the loss of $324 Million in annual revenue at a time when budgets are as tight as they currently are without any benefit to the citizens.

That $324 Million pays for a lot of local cops and drug education programs along with the entire Dept of Mental Health budget.

That is why the legislature killed the deranged plan that was sent to them. No way to replace the lost funds or services that the VA ABC supports.
Jeff K

Conway, SC

#9 Apr 19, 2011
$324 million or not, the state has no business being IN the liqour business. Besides, Timmy Kaine "misplaced" more than a couple billion where it got "lost" at VDOT. We don't have a revenue shortage, sir; we have a spending problem. Our state needs a fiscal diet, regardless of whether it is under "R" or "D" hegemony.

As for a 45 percent profit, that would be quite easy in a monopoly system with no competition. Heck, I could run just about any business you can think of and do better than that if all competitors were locked out and I could charge whatever I wanted for my products or services!

I understand where you are coming from - being a state employee yourself - but extrapolate your thinking and we'd have the state gaining a monopoly on beer & wine or even gasoline sales. Just think of the profit margin and revenue they could make then! Socialism all the way, sir! LOL!!
Jeff K

Conway, SC

#10 Apr 19, 2011
As a private citizen, I know of a very good plan that would work......but it is poltically difficult because it would not grease the palms necessary to be implemented.

I don't have time to delve into it now (busy on my vacation); but it can work, has worked in other states, and will work in Virginia.

TTFN!!!!

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#11 Apr 25, 2011
As far as I know now the condition is very different and good with the rest of the things.

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