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In Killing's Aftermath, State's Penal System Again Hotly Debate...

An angry Gov. M. Jodi Rell and Democrats clashed Monday over whether the General Assembly should pass a "three strikes" law, following the random killing of a 62year-old woman who had been drinking coffee ...

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Apr 1, 2008
 
It seems that reducing case loads for Probation Officers should be Rell's main goal. Most Probation Officers have so many cases that they sit behind a desk instead of getting out in the field to be able to keep tabs on these insects. This guy shot and killed two people yet Probation Officers don't even carry a firearm while the guard at Stop-N-Shop is better protected then the lives of Probation Officers. I think it is time that Rell wakes up and put the money where her mouth is.
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Apr 1, 2008
 
Instead of lashing out and screaming for the 3 strikes law, they should actually rehabilitate the prisoners, educate them and give them hope to live a descent productive and self sufficient life. Why is there such a high rate of recidivism and why are these offenders coming out so twisted and angry? What makes them snap? They have no ambition and courage to even try to attempt to live an honest life staying within the law and living a life that does not result in crime. Who was monitoring this man and did they put any effort in "reentry" and help him develop a plan? If he was so disturbed then why was he not being helped? These are the questions we need to ask.
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Apr 1, 2008
 
PAS, perhaps we should have hired this guy as a baby sitter for your kids...since he was convicted of molesting a five year old.

Reality check: Lots of career criminals cannot be rehabilitated

Lawlor demanded we stop sending prisoners to VA. Now we haven't enough space and the sub rosa message to prosecutors and judges is not to put people away for long terms because we don;t have space. Sorry, Mike, this is what you asked for
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#4
Apr 1, 2008
 
Rell definitely seems like she doesn't know what she's talking about.

It's one thing to sound like you're talking tough, and it's another thing to actually know that what you are proposing will work in practice.
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#5
Apr 1, 2008
 
The people responsible for passing a three strike law should form a committee of prosecutors and defense attorneys. They should be able to form a law that the legislature can pass that will protect us. Stop playing politics!
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#6
Apr 1, 2008
 
Lawlor is the reason the state needs term lilits. Whenever an issue come up Lawlor says ," Now let me see if I do this I willloose votes, but if I do this I will gain votes and stay in office, I want to stay in office." With lawlor it is not what is right, it is what do I have to do to stay in office. 9POWER0
Marian Morrison wrote:
PAS, perhaps we should have hired this guy as a baby sitter for your kids...since he was convicted of molesting a five year old.
Reality check: Lots of career criminals cannot be rehabilitated
Lawlor demanded we stop sending prisoners to VA. Now we haven't enough space and the sub rosa message to prosecutors and judges is not to put people away for long terms because we don;t have space. Sorry, Mike, this is what you asked for
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#7
Apr 1, 2008
 
Some people just don't get it they have to stay in jail. They don't want to change
PAS wrote:
Instead of lashing out and screaming for the 3 strikes law, they should actually rehabilitate the prisoners, educate them and give them hope to live a descent productive and self sufficient life. Why is there such a high rate of recidivism and why are these offenders coming out so twisted and angry? What makes them snap? They have no ambition and courage to even try to attempt to live an honest life staying within the law and living a life that does not result in crime. Who was monitoring this man and did they put any effort in "reentry" and help him develop a plan? If he was so disturbed then why was he not being helped? These are the questions we need to ask.
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#8
Apr 1, 2008
 
Irresponsible demagoguery by Rell-right out of the Lisa Moody playbook.
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Apr 1, 2008
 
There are lots of unanswered questions here. For instance, Williams committed a sex assault on a child on 9-1-1997. Then, 3 months later, he was busted for selling drugs. Did he actually make bail on the sex assault charge and then on th drug charge? Apparently his did.

He was convicted on the sex assault charge on 3-6-2000 and sentenced to 8 years in jail, 10 years' probation. Three months later, he was convicted on the drug charge and sentenced to another year in jail. By then, he was already in jail, of course.

But how he could have been walking the streets for 2-1/2 years before he was convicted on the sex assault on a child charges?

And how did he get off with 8 years? How does a sex assault on a child get plea bargained at all?

And why did anybody think he would be a different person after 8 years in prison ... because DOC somehow "corrected" him?

Somebody should be looking into questions like these. Meanwhile, Amman is right: he would not have fallen under any current three-strikes proposal. Rell wants a sex offender to get 50% more time on his second conviction, but Williams' second conviction was the drug charge. The sex assault was a first conviction (as an adult, anyway).
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Apr 1, 2008
 
PAS wrote:
Instead of lashing out and screaming for the 3 strikes law, they should actually rehabilitate the prisoners, educate them and give them hope to live a descent productive and self sufficient life. Why is there such a high rate of recidivism and why are these offenders coming out so twisted and angry? What makes them snap? They have no ambition and courage to even try to attempt to live an honest life staying within the law and living a life that does not result in crime. Who was monitoring this man and did they put any effort in "reentry" and help him develop a plan? If he was so disturbed then why was he not being helped? These are the questions we need to ask.
Rehabilitation is not an option for a known Psychopath. Case in point....

Although the concept of rhabiliation is an enviable one, the sad truth of the matter is that many of these people are so severly "damaged" (socially, genetically, behaviorally, etc...) that there is nothing remaining with which to work with.
It becomes - at some point - a matter only a higher power could address and no longer an endeavor capable of human intervention.

Have you ever really TALKED to these people? I do frequently and can assure you, there is often no remorse, no concern for societal norms and no desire to accept responsibility, let alone change.
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Apr 1, 2008
 
prison space: There would be far more room for serious criminals should judges NOT provide $100,000 bonds to young people arrested for possession of small amounts of marijuana. They could be bonded out, given community service and seen to by families.

Cost: It costs THOUSANDS to perform the initial act - not housing - a new inmate. Pay for Judges, Marshals, police, Correctional Officers, health services staff doing assessments, clerical staff, court clerks. Now add the cost of transportation and this is a GREAT deal of cash. So, when a judge "makes a statement" of a "point" to an offender who did a lesser offense - and gives them a bond of $500 - they go through the WHOLE system and get bonded out at night. Costing the perp $500 and the state THOUSANDS! Does this make sense?

There - these are two issues they could address that would lower costs and free space.

Lets save the jails and prisons for serious criminals like this scum bag.

Judges have no clue how their decisions affect our entire society by harming the justice and correctional system. These scum bags wouldn't be free in our society if they "budgeted" the consequences much like you and I would "budget" our finances.

Would you and I pay thousands of dollars to repair something that costs $500 to purchase? NO! We wouldn't - so why incarcerate someone and cost the state so much when you only give them a $500 bond?

Idiots!
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#12
Apr 1, 2008
 
Lawlor has a point. Ban plea bargaining and there will be no need for a 3 strikes law.
Very few cases are tried by the State's Attorney's these days. Many have forgotten how to try a case.
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#13
Apr 1, 2008
 
It's time for CT households to arm themselves and blow all this scum away!
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Apr 1, 2008
 

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Lawlor and McDonald, catering to their constituents as usual. Elected by liberal scum, pandering to liberal scum. And I thought criminals couldn't vote .. oh that's right, it's the relatives of the criminals that vote this Democratic scum into office.
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Apr 1, 2008
 
Marian Morrison wrote:
PAS, perhaps we should have hired this guy as a baby sitter for your kids...since he was convicted of molesting a five year old.
Reality check: Lots of career criminals cannot be rehabilitated
Lawlor demanded we stop sending prisoners to VA. Now we haven't enough space and the sub rosa message to prosecutors and judges is not to put people away for long terms because we don;t have space. Sorry, Mike, this is what you asked for
Yes absolutely ALL pedophiles deserve life in prison or on an island isolated from children. I am talking about rehabilitating the rest of the population. They say there is NO rehabilitating pedophiles.
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Apr 1, 2008
 
Rehab a Psychopath wrote:
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Rehabilitation is not an option for a known Psychopath. Case in point....
Although the concept of rhabiliation is an enviable one, the sad truth of the matter is that many of these people are so severly "damaged" (socially, genetically, behaviorally, etc...) that there is nothing remaining with which to work with.
It becomes - at some point - a matter only a higher power could address and no longer an endeavor capable of human intervention.
Have you ever really TALKED to these people? I do frequently and can assure you, there is often no remorse, no concern for societal norms and no desire to accept responsibility, let alone change.
And obviously who ever has been in CHARGE of differentiating between the ones that can be saved or not has not been on point.
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#17
Apr 1, 2008
 
About time we start use the death penalty for what it is suppose to be. Fry'em, so they never commit crimes again, and don't talk to me about cruel and unusual punishment..........
.........oh no we can't do that. This is Connecticut, we should not do that to those poor unfortunate souls. The previous comment was from our State Legislature. Lets see how they feel if it was their grandmother or family that was murdered.
It's time to make the death penalty workable, and lets start using it.
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#19
Apr 1, 2008
 
Lawlor & McDonald must go in November. Everybody I talk to is buying a gun, dog or adt system. Threre's obviously a problem... They can continue to ignore it and have repeat scenarios. 3 strikes is not gonna be the solution but it's a good start. Definitely better than focusing on gay marriage, witches & smoking with kids in the car... The people of CT, especially those in E Have & Stamford, need to wake up in November. Vote these buffoons OUT! Their legacy is a DISASTER!
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#21
Apr 1, 2008
 
I thought felons can now vote in CT thanks to a change in the law promulgated by the Dem Majority !! Guess who is picking your legislators ??
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#22
Apr 1, 2008
 
These thugs don't deserve a second chance. It is time to plug the electric chair back in. Three strikes you're out is too many strikes, one strike you're done. Lawler, Murphy, Amen and your band of idiots who seem to enjoy seeing and hearing about people being murdered go get another job.

Four innocent angels have died for no reason. What a shame. God bless them all for suffering the way they had to.
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