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harvey wall banger

Barboursville, WV

#18187 Jun 19, 2013
illusion wrote:
<quoted text>I think he meant how not why. Anyhow, are you denying that the food Americans typically eat causes cancer?? Because it does. Why is this?

Maybe a bunch of mad scientists got together and wanted to start genetically mutating plants and experimenting with poisonous chemicals to see what kind of "flavors" they could create...

Maybe there's no evil people in the world who would like to see the demise of humanity...let's assume there's not and that our government is looking out for us...

So why then are we still eating cancerous substances? If the government wants to lower health care costs shouldn't the FDA step in and do their job? Why isn't that happening?
Also aspartame is still in diet sodas and in other foods. Someone earlier said that it wasn't being used anymore. That's dead wrong. I was just told by my doctor to stop drinking diet coke because it was causing my kidneys to fail. He told me that it was because of the aspartame in the diet soda. It was also causing nerve damage in my hands and feet.

“Comfort the afflicted”

Since: May 13

Afflict the comfortable

#18188 Jun 19, 2013
harvey wall banger wrote:
<quoted text>
Also aspartame is still in diet sodas and in other foods. Someone earlier said that it wasn't being used anymore. That's dead wrong. I was just told by my doctor to stop drinking diet coke because it was causing my kidneys to fail. He told me that it was because of the aspartame in the diet soda. It was also causing nerve damage in my hands and feet.
I'm sorry, you're right. I was thinking of Saccharin - it is gone. Aspartame isn't used as much as generic form phenylketonurics these days though. It's much safer. But they, like all synthetic food additives, can cause negative health effects. You couldn't drink enough diet soda to have an effect on your kidneys though. That's assuming you're otherwise healthy. Banana's pottassium is harder on your renal system than today's artificial sweetners. But like I said, it's the chemicals that cause the problems, not the food.

I couldn't agree more with what you said about American workers and rewarding companies who stay.
illusion

Lizemores, WV

#18189 Jun 19, 2013
bacon hater wrote:
Aspartame hasn't been used in decades. Foods don't cause cancer. Certain chemicals in high quantities increase the likelihood of cancers. Every country on the planet would swap with us in a heartbeat. We have the safest and most abundant food system in the history of man. People make bad choices and eat too many processed foods. Processing adds chemicals and all of those chemicals will cause negative health effects if consumed too heavily.
Harvey - we can't compete with other countries because our workers make far too much. It would be great to say "everybody gets a living wage by law," but that's not capitalism. That's socialism. We need to put a 40 percent tarrif on any luxury product imported. Period. If Apple wants to ship their $500 iPhones here from China, fine. But it'll be a $750 iPhone. And an American manufacturer will beat them at that price. If we drastically increase wages and do nothing to entice them to stay, they'll leave more than they already have. We also must end the untaxed overseas profits. These are American companies because they HAVE to be American companies. Their profits must come here be taxed here and invested here. Don't like that and you're gonna move your HQ to Paris? Go ahead. Just don't forget you won't be able to sell to Americans without that tariff. The American consumer is the greatest economical force in the world. We need to flex our muscles for a change.
go look at the ingredients in Diet Coke...or almost anything "low" or "zero" sugar....there's aspartame in there, I don't know where you heard that it's not used anymore.

why are other countries boycotting our food if it's the safest and best?? Have you not heard about this?(hungary/Japan/south Korea)

Yes, "normal food" doesn't cause cancer lol but Franken food does.(processed/GMO)

What is sad about all of this is, people are either ignorant to the fact they're being poisoned or are too poor to be able to afford anything nutritious.

http://www.naturalnews.com/040604_gmo_contami...

GMOs are outlawed or shunned nearly everywhere around the world. Only in the USA have GMOs managed to avoid being labeled or outlawed

yeah, our food supply is safe ;) in a few years maybe 1 out of 2 Americans will be diagnosed with cancer
harvey wall banger

Barboursville, WV

#18190 Jun 19, 2013
hillbilly wrote:
<quoted text>I feel sorry for you because I bet no one in real life likes you. Even through a computer I know I do not like you and you are a very miserable and small minded person. You should be blocked from Topix for being morally awful and spreading ignorance.

Stop being so mean and start thinking.
Thank you. He does this crap to everyone who disagrees with him. He try's to act like he is above everyone in intelligence, but shows his stupidity. He has a real problem with reasonable conversation. He calls everyone stupid, ignorant, idiots and all other sorts of names. He is arrogant and soulless. He needs Obama's reality to hit him right between his eyes. To alert him to how his policies has destroyed are country for what it once stood for. I feel sorry for him. I really think he needs a hug or something. He probably lives alone and never gets out to talk to real people or his mother ever taught him any manners. I still think he was raised by river rats or something like that.
illusion

Lizemores, WV

#18191 Jun 19, 2013
harvey wall banger wrote:
<quoted text>
Also aspartame is still in diet sodas and in other foods. Someone earlier said that it wasn't being used anymore. That's dead wrong. I was just told by my doctor to stop drinking diet coke because it was causing my kidneys to fail. He told me that it was because of the aspartame in the diet soda. It was also causing nerve damage in my hands and feet.
yep, I have a friend who's addicted to diet coke, she has cysts from it. when fed to baby rats it causes cancerous tumors...so it makes ya wonder why the USDA and the FDA are still allowing it to be added into our food? Shouldn't they be doing their job and protecting us from this? I would like to know why they aren't!

same stuff goes for GMOs

Monsanto/Nestle has ruined our food supply.

“Comfort the afflicted”

Since: May 13

Afflict the comfortable

#18192 Jun 19, 2013
Like I said, I was thinking of saccharin, which isn't used anymore. None of the countries you mentioned "outlaw American food." That's ridiculous.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-21...

Phenyketonurics (generic aspartame) is just like any chemical additive - too much in certain people with certain conditions can RAISE THE LIKELIHOOD of negative health effects. Americans get cancer a lot because we allow companies to pollute our water and air for longer and at higher rates than every other nation on Earth. China is catching up, but they've got about 40 years to go. We also eat processed foods at a rate higher than every other country. Combined, the two equal a high cancer rate. We also have a very ineffective health system that profits from sick people, rather than keeping people healthy, like in all other modern countries. And as you pointed out, we have a higher percentage of people in poverty than most modern countries, so yes, we can't afford better food too often.

If it wasn't for genetically-modified foods, the world would starve. All of our industrial farms use GM crops to resist disease, pests and droughts. We couldn't feed the world without them. And we do feed the world. All of our grains are GM, and they go to virtually every nation on the planet. People think it's zombie food because of scare-tactics like in the article you linked, but it's bullshit. Without genetic modification, the dust bowl would've turned the midwest into the Sahara in the 30s. Smart farmers learned to splice heartier forms of wheat and corn with native grains and they were able to rebound.

Don't be scared of food. Be scared of chemicals. None "cause cancer." But they all increase likelihoods of negative effects. Don't be an alarmist. We have the safest and most abundant food supply in the history of mankind.
illusion

Lizemores, WV

#18193 Jun 19, 2013
bacon hater wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry, you're right. I was thinking of Saccharin - it is gone. Aspartame isn't used as much as generic form phenylketonurics these days though. It's much safer. But they, like all synthetic food additives, can cause negative health effects. You couldn't drink enough diet soda to have an effect on your kidneys though. That's assuming you're otherwise healthy. Banana's pottassium is harder on your renal system than today's artificial sweetners. But like I said, it's the chemicals that cause the problems, not the food.
I couldn't agree more with what you said about American workers and rewarding companies who stay.
what's your take on GMOs?

When those chemicals are added to the food, it causes the food to become cancerous/toxic. It's not like I can get out a magic wand and take it out of my food, it is infused in it. So the problem is...my (our) FOOD!!

We aren't given a safe food option.:/ not everyone can go organic.. it's just not offered everywhere so even if the public were waken up to this, we don't have an alternative food source. This is a problem.
harvey wall banger

Barboursville, WV

#18194 Jun 19, 2013
bacon hater wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry, you're right. I was thinking of Saccharin - it is gone. Aspartame isn't used as much as generic form phenylketonurics these days though. It's much safer. But they, like all synthetic food additives, can cause negative health effects. You couldn't drink enough diet soda to have an effect on your kidneys though. That's assuming you're otherwise healthy. Banana's pottassium is harder on your renal system than today's artificial sweetners. But like I said, it's the chemicals that cause the problems, not the food.

I couldn't agree more with what you said about American workers and rewarding companies who stay.
I am a diabetic and about forty pounds over wait. About 220 lbs. I was drinking about six cans of diet coke a day to help loose weight. I gained weight. My kidneys was operating at about 19 percent. Told to stop drinking diet coke and within a month my kidneys went back up to 65 percent. Stop drinking sodas all together and started drinking water and lost 20 pounds and still loosing weight. My diabetes has gotten better. I was using 60 units of Lantus at night and 25 units of Novalog before 3 meals everyday. Now I am down to 25 units of Lantus at night and 10 units of Novalog before each meal. I have not changed my diet one bit, other than not drinking soda. Diet soda is very hard on your entire body. It made my neuropathy worse in my hands and feet. I retained fluid. Made my feet and ankles swell. All kinds of horrible stuff. When I stopped I feel 10 times better than I did when I drank it. It might not do everybody that way, but it done all kinds of things to me. Believe me all joking aside I have been there it was horrible. If you don't take any advice from me at all, take the advice about the diet soda. Don't want to see anyone's health to suffer.
harvey wall banger

Barboursville, WV

#18195 Jun 19, 2013
illusion wrote:
<quoted text>yep, I have a friend who's addicted to diet coke, she has cysts from it. when fed to baby rats it causes cancerous tumors...so it makes ya wonder why the USDA and the FDA are still allowing it to be added into our food? Shouldn't they be doing their job and protecting us from this? I would like to know why they aren't!

same stuff goes for GMOs

Monsanto/Nestle has ruined our food supply.
Well let see. The reason is big business and big money and lobbyist. That is not a democrat or republican thing that is a money thing. It stinks on both sides of the political aisle.
illusion

Lizemores, WV

#18196 Jun 19, 2013
bacon hater wrote:
Like I said, I was thinking of saccharin, which isn't used anymore. None of the countries you mentioned "outlaw American food." That's ridiculous.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-21...
Phenyketonurics (generic aspartame) is just like any chemical additive - too much in certain people with certain conditions can RAISE THE LIKELIHOOD of negative health effects. Americans get cancer a lot because we allow companies to pollute our water and air for longer and at higher rates than every other nation on Earth. China is catching up, but they've got about 40 years to go. We also eat processed foods at a rate higher than every other country. Combined, the two equal a high cancer rate. We also have a very ineffective health system that profits from sick people, rather than keeping people healthy, like in all other modern countries. And as you pointed out, we have a higher percentage of people in poverty than most modern countries, so yes, we can't afford better food too often.
If it wasn't for genetically-modified foods, the world would starve. All of our industrial farms use GM crops to resist disease, pests and droughts. We couldn't feed the world without them. And we do feed the world. All of our grains are GM, and they go to virtually every nation on the planet. People think it's zombie food because of scare-tactics like in the article you linked, but it's bullshit. Without genetic modification, the dust bowl would've turned the midwest into the Sahara in the 30s. Smart farmers learned to splice heartier forms of wheat and corn with native grains and they were able to rebound.
Don't be scared of food. Be scared of chemicals. None "cause cancer." But they all increase likelihoods of negative effects. Don't be an alarmist. We have the safest and most abundant food supply in the history of mankind.
why are people still starving if we are feeding the world?? why are 1 in 4 Americans going hungry if we have soo much abundance?

did you not read the article I posted? Hungary just burned down all of their GMO crops too

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Hungary-Torc...
harvey wall banger

Barboursville, WV

#18197 Jun 19, 2013
illusion wrote:
<quoted text>what's your take on GMOs?

When those chemicals are added to the food, it causes the food to become cancerous/toxic. It's not like I can get out a magic wand and take it out of my food, it is infused in it. So the problem is...my (our) FOOD!!

We aren't given a safe food option.:/ not everyone can go organic.. it's just not offered everywhere so even if the public were waken up to this, we don't have an alternative food source. This is a problem.
I don't mean to sound ignorant but what is GMO's. Is it genetic manufactured organisms. I know I am probably wrong.

“Comfort the afflicted”

Since: May 13

Afflict the comfortable

#18198 Jun 19, 2013
illusion wrote:
<quoted text>
yep, I have a friend who's addicted to diet coke, she has cysts from it. when fed to baby rats it causes cancerous tumors...so it makes ya wonder why the USDA and the FDA are still allowing it to be added into our food? Shouldn't they be doing their job and protecting us from this? I would like to know why they aren't!
same stuff goes for GMOs
Monsanto/Nestle has ruined our food supply.
This is why stupid people shouldn't be allowed to watch the news without an adult present. Saccharin causes cancer in lab tests when delivered at a higher rate than humanly possible. They outlawed it. Aspartame causes similar problems at even higher consumption rates, which again, are impossible to replicate in humans.

No one thing causes cancer. It's a combination of hereditary susceptibility, environment, intake, overall health and sheer odds. Your friend didn't get cancer from Diet Coke. A chemical in diet coke may have increased the likelihood that she developed cysts. But if she was an otherwise healthy person, had no family history of cysts, took in healthy foods and lived in a clean part of the country, she could've drank as much Diet Coke as she could've and been fine. No doctor would ever say "Diet Coke gave you cysts or cancer." They'd say that Diet Coke was a factor in the development of the negative health effects, maybe even a major factor.

Same with smoking. Smoking 5 packs a day for 40 years does not mean you will get lung cancer. It means that your likelihood of getting lung cancer are increased. Sometimes, greatly.
illusion

Lizemores, WV

#18199 Jun 19, 2013
harvey wall banger wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a diabetic and about forty pounds over wait. About 220 lbs. I was drinking about six cans of diet coke a day to help loose weight. I gained weight. My kidneys was operating at about 19 percent. Told to stop drinking diet coke and within a month my kidneys went back up to 65 percent. Stop drinking sodas all together and started drinking water and lost 20 pounds and still loosing weight. My diabetes has gotten better. I was using 60 units of Lantus at night and 25 units of Novalog before 3 meals everyday. Now I am down to 25 units of Lantus at night and 10 units of Novalog before each meal. I have not changed my diet one bit, other than not drinking soda. Diet soda is very hard on your entire body. It made my neuropathy worse in my hands and feet. I retained fluid. Made my feet and ankles swell. All kinds of horrible stuff. When I stopped I feel 10 times better than I did when I drank it. It might not do everybody that way, but it done all kinds of things to me. Believe me all joking aside I have been there it was horrible. If you don't take any advice from me at all, take the advice about the diet soda. Don't want to see anyone's health to suffer.
it's nice to know you're doing better now.
Have you ever thought about trying to cut out all artificial sweeteners or make any other changes in your diet?

Here's a list of foods that are unsafe: http://www.naturalnews.com/039970_cancer_junk...
illusion

Lizemores, WV

#18200 Jun 19, 2013
harvey wall banger wrote:
<quoted text>
Well let see. The reason is big business and big money and lobbyist. That is not a democrat or republican thing that is a money thing. It stinks on both sides of the political aisle.
I totally agree with you and it's pathetic it is that way. Our representatives don't care if we all die, as long as they get their pockets filled. No one has any morals these days.
illusion

Lizemores, WV

#18201 Jun 19, 2013
harvey wall banger wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't mean to sound ignorant but what is GMO's. Is it genetic manufactured organisms. I know I am probably wrong.
*Genetically modified organisms

http://tv.greenmedinfo.com/what-is-a-gmo-expl...

^^^literally one minute explanation
harvey wall banger

Barboursville, WV

#18202 Jun 19, 2013
bacon hater wrote:
<quoted text>This is why stupid people shouldn't be allowed to watch the news without an adult present. Saccharin causes cancer in lab tests when delivered at a higher rate than humanly possible. They outlawed it. Aspartame causes similar problems at even higher consumption rates, which again, are impossible to replicate in humans.

No one thing causes cancer. It's a combination of hereditary susceptibility, environment, intake, overall health and sheer odds. Your friend didn't get cancer from Diet Coke. A chemical in diet coke may have increased the likelihood that she developed cysts. But if she was an otherwise healthy person, had no family history of cysts, took in healthy foods and lived in a clean part of the country, she could've drank as much Diet Coke as she could've and been fine. No doctor would ever say "Diet Coke gave you cysts or cancer." They'd say that Diet Coke was a factor in the development of the negative health effects, maybe even a major factor.

Same with smoking. Smoking 5 packs a day for 40 years does not mean you will get lung cancer. It means that your likelihood of getting lung cancer are increased. Sometimes, greatly.
That is very true. My aunt smoke about 2 packs a day tell she was 85 and stated smoking when she was 15. She died from pneumonia after a very bad case of influenza. But I have known people that have never smoked in there entire life and died from lung cancer in there 50's or 60's. a lot depends on environment, exercise, good or bad water supply and a lot of different factors. Cancer is also an inherited trait in some people. Believe it or not everybody has cancer cells in there body. What causes the cells to mutate nobody knows yet. I believe with the proper funding and intelligent minds it will be cured.

“Comfort the afflicted”

Since: May 13

Afflict the comfortable

#18203 Jun 19, 2013
illusion wrote:
<quoted text>
why are people still starving if we are feeding the world?? why are 1 in 4 Americans going hungry if we have soo much abundance?
did you not read the article I posted? Hungary just burned down all of their GMO crops too
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Hungary-Torc...
You're reading opinions, not news (op-ed is short for Opinion-Editorial). Hungary didn't "burn all their GM crops." They burned the stuff Monsanto released because they don't want it to blend with their native crops. The Monsanto stuff was a corporate goof of monstrous proportions, but by no means is it a threat to our food supply. It was modified to withstand a superstrong weedkiller sold by Monsanto as a package deal - buy our seeds and our weedkiller - and you're good to go. It didn't get USDA approval because the shit wouldn't die when they needed it to, like for crop rotations or when farmers chose to switch up their crops. So it was bad news for Monsanto and should've never been released. It was and they're paying for it. But in the grand scheme of things, it isn't a big deal at all. We learned from it, and so did other countries.

Like I said, take away GM foods, and there's a worldwide famine in 3 days. They're irreplacable and they're healthier in most cases. Nobody is getting sick from GM foods. They're getting sick from chemicals used to process them.

Harvey - like I said, your pre-existing conditions made you extremely susceptible to renal failure from artificial sweetners. But you still had to drink MASSIVE QUANTITIES over a long period of time to get negative health effects. If you had drank one diet pop a day, youdve been fine. People with any kidney or liver problems need to watch their intake closely. Too much pottassium, artificial sweetners, tylenol and other thing most people have everyday can be deadly. But again, it's a combination of factors that lead to cancers and organ failure.

“Comfort the afflicted”

Since: May 13

Afflict the comfortable

#18204 Jun 19, 2013
In most countries, doctors are paid by the health of their client roster. 4 patients quit smoking? You get a raise. 20 patients lost weight? More money for you. Our doctors are the opposite. They get paid by how many people they can see per day, regardless of whether or not they fix your problem. They're actually rewarded for NOT fixing you - they or another doctor get to see you again. Their sole motivation for holding up the Hippocratic Oath is to avoid a malpractice suit. That's it. As a result, our doctors don't spend an hour with a patient prescribing a healthy diet and exercise regimen. They spend 15 minutes writing prescriptions.

I know you'll hate to hear this, but Obamacare changes that. It won't fix it until we do away with insurance companies altogether and have a single-payer system like all other countries have, but it does change the way doctors will look at patients. Preventative care will become common. Our healthcare is 27th in the world. It's among the worst in quality and the most expensive. Ot doesn't work. We have sick care, not health care. There's no money in healthy people as the system is currently.
illusion

Lizemores, WV

#18205 Jun 19, 2013
bacon hater wrote:
<quoted text>
This is why stupid people shouldn't be allowed to watch the news without an adult present. Saccharin causes cancer in lab tests when delivered at a higher rate than humanly possible. They outlawed it. Aspartame causes similar problems at even higher consumption rates, which again, are impossible to replicate in humans.
No one thing causes cancer. It's a combination of hereditary susceptibility, environment, intake, overall health and sheer odds. Your friend didn't get cancer from Diet Coke. A chemical in diet coke may have increased the likelihood that she developed cysts. But if she was an otherwise healthy person, had no family history of cysts, took in healthy foods and lived in a clean part of the country, she could've drank as much Diet Coke as she could've and been fine. No doctor would ever say "Diet Coke gave you cysts or cancer." They'd say that Diet Coke was a factor in the development of the negative health effects, maybe even a major factor.
Same with smoking. Smoking 5 packs a day for 40 years does not mean you will get lung cancer. It means that your likelihood of getting lung cancer are increased. Sometimes, greatly.
Yeah we all have dormant cancer cells and I think when our food or water is being purposefully (or not) polluted with chemicals that is linked in causing cancer, it needs to be dealt with. As in, destroyed! Continuing the use of such things is species suicide, this has been an issue since the 1990's, why hasn't anything been done?? It's all just gotten worse/more lethal
harvey wall banger

Barboursville, WV

#18206 Jun 19, 2013
illusion wrote:
<quoted text>it's nice to know you're doing better now.
Have you ever thought about trying to cut out all artificial sweeteners or make any other changes in your diet?

Here's a list of foods that are unsafe: http://www.naturalnews.com/039970_cancer_junk...
I don't eat a lot if junk food. My weakness was soda. I eat farmers market vegetables and locally grown beef. I don't eat any ham or pork. I stop eating but very little starchy foods. I have always ate pretty good food. Very little fast food whatsoever. If I eat out I usually eat at subway and eat low carb subs. The diabetes is passed down from my family. I am very lucky that I didn't inherit type one diabetes. I was diagnosed having type two diabetes when I was 28 years old and kept it controlled by diet until I turned fifty. Oh and by the way I weighed 165 when I was diagnosed and I am 6'1". I used to run a lot. I ran cross country when I was in high school. It wasn't nothing for me to run ten miles every other day in high school. I had to stop running because it destroyed my knees and lower back. I now use an elliptical to help keep my legs strong and keeping my weight off as much as possible. It is even harder doing that after having my knees replaced. I had one replaced twice within eight months and the other one replaced. It really sucks.

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