Little local echo for new NAACP boyco...

Little local echo for new NAACP boycott of SC flag

There are 62 comments on the Myrtle Beach Online story from Jul 18, 2008, titled Little local echo for new NAACP boycott of SC flag. In it, Myrtle Beach Online reports that:

The Confederate flag that flutters 30 feet above one of this city's busiest streets still draws a mix of head shakes and shrugs from South Carolina residents.

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southern proud

Sumter, SC

#1 Jul 18, 2008
Get over it people. the flag is a symbol that many of our ancestors, black, white, indian, jewish, fought under to preserve the south against the northern invasion. Granted we lost, i am not refighting the war, but we are still fighting today against the same governmental ideas that led the south to seceed. the reconstruction that started in 1865 with its restrictions on what the southern states can do still exist. My ancestors fought under the Confederate flag for the right of SC to rule itself, states rights not slavery. i will defend the cross of St Andrew, just like i will defend everyone's right to dissent. Southern born and southern proud. We fought the first terrorist, the invading hordes of the north
The Imagineer

Hartsville, SC

#2 Jul 18, 2008
Black people will have you die rather than forget THEIR history. Then heaven forbid you try and show YOUR history - they get crazy! Hypocrites anyone?*uck the NAACP.*uck them ALL with a HUGE rubber d*ck!

I truly hope they stay away and boycott. I really do...There is nothing they bring to the beach other than crime and filth. Please, STAY AWAY!
SHOVELHEAD

Kingsport, TN

#3 Jul 18, 2008
southern proud wrote:
Get over it people. the flag is a symbol that many of our ancestors, black, white, indian, jewish, fought under to preserve the south against the northern invasion. Granted we lost, i am not refighting the war, but we are still fighting today against the same governmental ideas that led the south to seceed. the reconstruction that started in 1865 with its restrictions on what the southern states can do still exist. My ancestors fought under the Confederate flag for the right of SC to rule itself, states rights not slavery. i will defend the cross of St Andrew, just like i will defend everyone's right to dissent. Southern born and southern proud. We fought the first terrorist, the invading hordes of the north
Well said could not said it better myself SHOVELHEAD GCB SC
Jenn

Summerville, SC

#4 Jul 18, 2008
And yet the still come in hordes to create mayhem and mischief during..yep...you guessed it...our most "favorite" event of the year, AB Bikefest.

The whole boycott thing might be more effective if ALL groups that cry and moan to the NAACP would uphold it.
Common Sense

Columbia, SC

#5 Jul 18, 2008
From Myrtle Beach - The flag symbolizes many things; among them, racism. Take it down and place it with other historic documents and relics. It's history, so is the Civil War and slavery. Let history lie where it belongs, in the past, and let's all move on to make this a better world. The longer we dwell upon negativity, fear, ignorance and hatred, the less likely we will ever see a form of peace in this nation.

Since: Jun 08

Garden City, NY

#6 Jul 18, 2008
You all say that the flag is part of SC's history. If so, just leave it where it is with other flags. I used to believe that race relations in SC were better than up north. The SC I saw and fell in love with had caucasians and African-Americans living and working together in harmony. But from the posts here, it seems that the biggest bigots live right there in Horry County. Many of you are still fighting that war. Its over, move on.

Since: Jun 08

Garden City, NY

#7 Jul 18, 2008
Common Sense wrote:
From Myrtle Beach - The flag symbolizes many things; among them, racism. Take it down and place it with other historic documents and relics. It's history, so is the Civil War and slavery. Let history lie where it belongs, in the past, and let's all move on to make this a better world. The longer we dwell upon negativity, fear, ignorance and hatred, the less likely we will ever see a form of peace in this nation.
You really are the voice of Common Sense. Bravo!
Uncle John

Walnut Creek, OH

#9 Jul 18, 2008
Although the slavery issue was supposedly the only reason for the secession of eleven Southern states from the Union in 1860, that was not the case. The largest concern of the citizens of those states was a rejection of the republican (small 'r') principles upon which the nation was founded and especially the rise of a powerful central government which would function at the expense of the rights and liberties of the States and the People.
They also feared that such a powerful central authority would embroil the nation in imperialist adventures abroad as well as diminish and in some instances void the precepts and doctrines of the Constitution at home. I would say that in all of the above instances, the People of the South were quite correct.
During the War of Secession (erroneously called the 'Civil War'), the Constitution was given very short shrift indeed by the Lincoln administration. Freedom of speech, expression and the press were abolished. The constitutional protection of habeas corpus was suspended and many Americans found themselves imprisoned without any charges brought against them often in the worst possible circumstances and for indeterminate periods of time. The knock on the door in the middle of the night which saw men and women taken off to prison sometimes never to be seen again became all too familiar in the next century under fascism and communism - but it also happened right here in America and was 'justified' under the glorious banner of Patriotism and Preserving the Union.
I don't think that the people you cite are 'living in the past' since much of what their ancestors defended and they now defend is either already gone or in danger of also being swept away. Frankly, all that is happening is that many of the people you ridicule, having already experienced the tyranny of an all powerful government are merely recognizing the symptoms before the rest of us and reacting as their forefathers did and I say, good for them
I prefer the War of Secession because that's what it was about since Lincoln would have guaranteed slavery in the Southern states through the passage of the Corwin amendment but in return he insisted that the states that then wished to secede remain in the Union. Indeed, Lincoln is quoted as saying that he would accept slavery in perpetuity if necessary, to preserve the Union. So, if slavery were the true - or the ONLY - issue, the matter was a 'dead letter' if the Corwin amendment been accepted by the South. Obviously, as it was insufficient, there must have been another (or more than one other) issue that brought about the secession of those states.
Of course, had there been no 'aggression', Virginia would certainly have remained in the Union. Only the call by Lincoln for troops from the Old Dominion and the knowledge that invasion troops would be sent across Virginia's soil to assail the Carolinas brought that state to the point of secession.
contd
Uncle John

Walnut Creek, OH

#10 Jul 18, 2008
I tend to agree with constitutional scholar, Judge Andrew Napolitano who stated that had Lincoln allowed those states in the South who wished to secede to do so without moving against them, probably the resulting Confederacy would have collapsed reasonably quickly given the internecine bickering and diverse priorities among them. Remember, the original 'Confederacy' of the thirteen colonies was not successful and ended in a Constitutional convention establishing a representative republic. However, once the South was invaded, all prior disputes were laid aside and the die was cast. We're still paying for that monumentally poor decision and probably always will, alas.
I think that Sherman was a war criminal. Indeed, on NORTHERN commentator said rather anxiously that words from Sherman's pen sound rather like something written by Adolf Eichmann rather than a 'hero' of the Civil War (sic).
I am simply saying that had no 'aggression' taken place, the matter might have worked out without the terrible effects wrought by the war. Of course, you are free to disagree with that, but I cannot imagine how the nation would have been WORSE served than it was by the actions taken in Washington.
Remember, if Lincoln wanted to 'preserve the Union', then he lost that battle at the outset of the war since a 'union', by its very definition, is a VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION. What existed at the end of the war was conquest, occupation and colonization, NOT 'reunion' and still LESS 'reconciliation'.
Chester

Conway, SC

#12 Jul 18, 2008
Jenn wrote:
And yet the still come in hordes to create mayhem and mischief during..yep...you guessed it...our most "favorite" event of the year, AB Bikefest.
The whole boycott thing might be more effective if ALL groups that cry and moan to the NAACP would uphold it.
You got it jenn, bunch of whine bags !!!!!! End the black biker Crimefest !!!!!
Chester

Conway, SC

#13 Jul 18, 2008
Uncle John wrote:
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Only the naacp (the largest racist organization in the US) and the uneducated can find racism as a symbol of the battle flag. If you had 5 minutes of history concerning the War of Northern Aggression you would know just how big a fool you made of yourself. You lack more than common sense. Do you have any pride in yourself ,your country? If you see the flag as racist and are not a complete idiot, you have to be a racist.
So true Uncle John. History flunkies just do not get it. Might as well just beat their head against the wall.
Old Jim 70

Conway, SC

#14 Jul 18, 2008
It is right that the Battle Flag flies over the Confederate soldiers memorial in Columbia. It was Columbia where Northern Terrorism showed most brightly in the burning of that city. It may have been more than a hundred years ago. But it is a black part of our nations history, and should be remembered.

I also think it is good that the NAACP has something to maintain it's hate campaign. Everybody needs something to do.
Fire Freak

Florence, SC

#15 Jul 19, 2008
No one has mentioned how much info this story gets when the stories about killings, drugs, rape and other CRIME get no coverage at all. Ignoring what the flag means to who, we have one flag, the American flag. The flag was removed from the statehouse and now is near a memorial for Confederate soldiers. What flag do you want them to fly next to a memorial for Confederate soldiers, the South Park flag. The NAACP needs to focus on righting the wrongs among their people. Just because they are educated and law abiding does not mean a large percentage of their people are. If a certain part of you population is acting like a bunch of thugs, then that is where your focus should be. I saw a black police officer on "Cops" once say that he was embarrassed when they had to deal with certain elements in black neighborhoods, he didn't want his fellow officers to think he was like this. Do a search on youtube "Black girls fighting" and see. Girls start fighting and it becomes an outing for the neighborhood. Once you can get your people to stop thinking that rioting is a given right then I will support taking down the flag.
The Imagineer

Hartsville, SC

#16 Jul 19, 2008
I still say f*ck them. Don't you people ever get tired of telling other people what to do all the time? Eat me.
local

Murrells Inlet, SC

#17 Jul 20, 2008
it's like the NAACP wants to erase history and they can't do it. my family, from the day they came from scotland, never owned slaves. they had children and other family members to work on the land. not all white people had slaves. my family owes no one anything. our hands are clean. some of my family died for that flag. to me it does not stand for slavery. it is a flag like any other. people died for it, americans died for it. we should never forget that. they should be honored b/c at the time they thought they were fighting for what they thought was right. lives were lost, the flag should be honored b/c of the lives lost. that flag means as much to me as the american flag does. i've had friends and family who have lost their lives for the american flag. i'm proud to be southern. i'm proud of my heritage and i'm proud that my ancestors stood up for their beliefs b/c a lot of people (reguardless what side they felt was right) wouldn't and didn't do. As far as the NAACP, do they think the lives lost during that war aren't valuable enough to honor by keeping the flag those people died for up? how would they like it if whites tried to remove a martin luther king or malcom x statue b/c they thought it racist or something pertaining to the movement b/c whties find it offensive. people died for the movement just like people died for that flag.... all or our history should be honored and it should not be an organization like that who gets to say what should get honored and what should be forgotten.

Do they not realize women, even white woman were discriminated against? it wasn't late long ago in history women were even allowed to vote. women still have to fight in the work place for a position or a promotion. a man, reguardless of what color, in some businesses still get promoted faster b/c of a person or company being sexist.

And let's not forget the race who have been screwed over since day one. The native american. they've gotten the short end of the stick, to put it mildly, more so than any race in this nation. and still do really.

My personal opinion is that african americans need to realize they're not the only ones who have gotten a bad deal on things. in my opinion, we may owe the african americans something who were raised 50+ years ago big time. but this generation we don't owe anything b/c they have opportunities. whether or not they make the choice to take them is their decision. there's all black colleges and scholarships based on their race (which is more than whites could ever dream of having, it's truly impossible) and are welcomed at any college they want and are able to apply for the same scholarships as whites. they have just as much opportunity if not more so to better themselves. i have to earn what i have so why shouldn't they?
local

Murrells Inlet, SC

#18 Jul 20, 2008
oh and one more thing. i would be willing to bet if rosa parks or martin luther king jr could see what's going on today, i bet they would be rolling over in their graves at how today's young think and act. it's a slap in the face for what they fought so hard for. even with some of the NAACP's actions. they go about things totally the wrong way the majority of the time. you can't bully people. they were decent people who had faith and truly cared for and believed in the movement and did so in a way that made people pay attention. this is not what they fought for. this is not a battle i believe they would've made to fight out of respect for the dead soldiers.

my question is if today was like it was back then, how many of your brothers and sisters would've been the rosa parks or the martin luther kings who faught for equality in a way that is admirable? or like the NAACP and bully and become hated at as a whole? or who would just sit back and wait for someone to get the job done for you and then reep the benefits and brag? or who would do it in a very harsh way like the black panthers who most consider stood for hate against whites?

unfortunately in this world, there are always going to be religious extremist, racists, and sexists. no one deserves to be pushed around or bullied b/c of race, religion, or sex. we're all equal and someone needs to tell the NAACP that it's not right to bully other people in order to get there way. B/c they are the ones who have been coming across ar racists for a very long time now. We are all equal and they shouldn't treat us as inferior, which is what they are doing at every turn.
Carolinaprophet

Hollywood, FL

#19 Aug 13, 2008
Fire Freak wrote:
No one has mentioned how much info this story gets when the stories about killings, drugs, rape and other CRIME get no coverage at all. Ignoring what the flag means to who, we have one flag, the American flag. The flag was removed from the statehouse and now is near a memorial for Confederate soldiers. What flag do you want them to fly next to a memorial for Confederate soldiers, the South Park flag. The NAACP needs to focus on righting the wrongs among their people. Just because they are educated and law abiding does not mean a large percentage of their people are. If a certain part of you population is acting like a bunch of thugs, then that is where your focus should be. I saw a black police officer on "Cops" once say that he was embarrassed when they had to deal with certain elements in black neighborhoods, he didn't want his fellow officers to think he was like this. Do a search on youtube "Black girls fighting" and see. Girls start fighting and it becomes an outing for the neighborhood. Once you can get your people to stop thinking that rioting is a given right then I will support taking down the flag.
This is insane for you to even;think of such.If bigotry had "a new name it will be yours" The flag should be taken down; without hesitation because it doesn't represent,the mass of people.The Jim Crow laws; has died along with slavery!!!!
Carolinaprophet

Hollywood, FL

#20 Aug 13, 2008
We must be educated about,the horrific past of slavery to appreciate it's worthiness in today's society.The hinging of this Confederate Flag bring no significance to humanity, but embarrassment to mankind.
grow-up

Greensboro, NC

#21 Sep 5, 2008
My dad has all was said Black people will self distruck,And we helped with the welfar system back in the 60-80.Black people blame everyone but the one ture problem themselfs,And boy they like to use the rascim card thats why they fail at everything they do,they wouldn't open the door to the ture problem,and don't forget how they got the be slaves,their owen poeple sold them for a blanket,just look at Africa today same owe shit,NO FAMILY Values.
God Bless the South,if you don't like it get the h'll out.
Robin Hood

Alpharetta, GA

#24 Sep 5, 2008
Carolinaprophet wrote:
We must be educated about,the horrific past of slavery to appreciate it's worthiness in today's society.The hinging of this Confederate Flag bring no significance to humanity, but embarrassment to mankind.
Upon educating yourself abouth the horrific past you will discover that the NAACP is boycotting the wrong flag.

THIS is the Flag of the Confederate States of America. It is known as the "Stars and Bars"
http://www.americancivilwar.com/south/conflag...

The REBEL FLAG is used to represent the Southern Pride of the "Yankee Go Home" crowd (which includes people of all races on both sides)
http://www.ultimateflags.com/usahist/confeder...

The NAACP doesn't know diddly about flags.

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