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Chelmsford teachers, School Committee reach tentative contract agreement

There are 75 comments on the Lowell Sun story from Jan 22, 2011, titled Chelmsford teachers, School Committee reach tentative contract agreement. In it, Lowell Sun reports that:

After more than 21 months of icy negotiations, the School Committee and the teachers' union have finally reached a tentative agreement on a new contract.

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John - former resident

Netherlands Antilles

#1 Jan 22, 2011
I am appalled at the average salary. Where do you get off fighting to get at an already way over inflated average. Give me a break. The unions are killing us. You get sping break, christmas break, snow days and the summer off. Plus, you get a ridiculous pension and over the top health care benefits. Let's not dare mention the added sick days you all take.
When DO WE SMARTEN UP? I work more than 40 hours a week, have no benefits and make $40500 a year.
You have gotten away with this charade for all to long. You try to play on the town next too you that is wealthier and probably does a bettr job teaching.
Get rid of this avg salary BS. Town officials quit pandering to the votes.
Town members, organize..stand up and fight. Don't allow the town employees to stuff the town meetings with their family and friends to win support of there actions.
It's UP TO YOU TO DO SOMETHING. Get off your duffs. That's what I did. I moved out of TAXACHUSSETTS. I will seek political office and fight for the average person. The average person like most of you. Not the way over inflated town employees. Want to laugh? Look at your fire and police. They are just as bad with benes and pay.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Who is CFT going

Chelmsford, MA

#2 Jan 22, 2011
to terrorize now? They will be upset over not getting 15 and will probably take it out on the children and Cathy Chamberlain can focus her wrath on her neighbors. Nobody wins with people like this teaching our children.
John - former resident

Netherlands Antilles

#3 Jan 22, 2011
Children, look at the youth today. They spend a lot of time in the classroom. Are they better or worse off than we were (i graduated high school in the 60's)?
Average salary? Look at the average salary of the total town, all households in the town. If we had that data available it would be far less than $65,000.
Hey public employees, you are paid by ME, THE TAXPAYER!!!!! Watch the news. Go to FOX national news and you will hear over and over again, Almost all states are broke. Almost all towns/cities are in trouble over budgets. Biggest issue is the public employee sector (salary and benefits).
You have people in elected office that do the big give away as they are not smart enough (or were not) to see the big picture. They could not coordinate 3 kids in a sandbox, let alone run the local or state government. As you can see I am really upset of this. I have not had a raise in 3 & one half years. My boss says we are lucky to still be in business. Now, If I worked for the city or state they would just raise taxes and fees (their only source of income)to meet the payroll.
HEY, WE CAN NOT TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Take a look at firemen. Most have a second job. Why? One reason is they have a lot of free time based on their job schedule. They work under the table and don't pay taxes on all earnings. I KNOW THAT AS MY RELATIVE TELLS ME> HE SAYS IT IS A JOKE>SAYS HE WILL TAKE THE FREE RIDE AS LONG AS IT LASTS> That's a quote from one of our "HEROS" And I am sick of that self serving term as well. I am the hero! I fight the traffic every day. People die on the highway every day.
Don't get me started.
LowellTeacher

Dracut, MA

#4 Jan 22, 2011
John - former resident wrote:
I am appalled at the average salary. Where do you get off fighting to get at an already way over inflated average. Give me a break. The unions are killing us. You get sping break, christmas break, snow days and the summer off. Plus, you get a ridiculous pension and over the top health care benefits. Let's not dare mention the added sick days you all take.
When DO WE SMARTEN UP? I work more than 40 hours a week, have no benefits and make $40500 a year.
You have gotten away with this charade for all to long. You try to play on the town next too you that is wealthier and probably does a bettr job teaching.
Get rid of this avg salary BS. Town officials quit pandering to the votes.
Town members, organize..stand up and fight. Don't allow the town employees to stuff the town meetings with their family and friends to win support of there actions.
It's UP TO YOU TO DO SOMETHING. Get off your duffs. That's what I did. I moved out of TAXACHUSSETTS. I will seek political office and fight for the average person. The average person like most of you. Not the way over inflated town employees. Want to laugh? Look at your fire and police. They are just as bad with benes and pay.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Time for you to get a new job. Why don't you become a teacher? Seriously! Go back to school at night. I mean, years ago I went to graduate school at night while working full time. I got my masters and a teaching certificate and got a job. Why don't you do that? I don't understand people who complain about teachers! We're not getting anything that ANYONE isn't entitled to. Enroll yourself at Umass Lowell, Salem State or Fitchburg.
Like the idea

Hudson, NH

#5 Jan 22, 2011
Now that a deal seems imminent, I am SO GLAD I won't have to come hear and read comments from these uneducated whiny basement dwellers. You people need to get a life and start supporting the people who helped shape the brilliant,nonjudgmental, critical thinking minds you and your children possess today. Ooops...wrong audience. See you later, boobs.
John - former resident

Netherlands Antilles

#6 Jan 22, 2011
Basement Dweller?? I have my degree from the old U of Lowell. I worked fo a high tech company where my "MASTERS DEGREE" helped me obtain an excellent job.
Problem is my Co. moved/merged and sent many technical jobs to India and now to China. I had to take what I could to support the family. Maybe that's where we should ship our children for an education as it is well known they do a better job there. The Chinese and Indian children in scholl get an excellent education.
Face the facts...you go to school to get an auto increase in pay. Honey, that ain't the way the real world works.
What do you know? You been doling of the system just like those on generational welfare. Like I said, give me a break!!
The axe will soon fall on many "Govenment Jobs".
You should be paid a lot less and paid for PERFORMANCE. Oh yes, sorry, you are paid for performance. You put on a good show and buffalo the constieuents. TATA...gotta go back into my hole in the basement.
shamwow

Peabody, MA

#7 Jan 22, 2011
John - former resident wrote:
I am appalled at the average salary. Where do you get off fighting to get at an already way over inflated average. Give me a break. The unions are killing us. You get sping break, christmas break, snow days and the summer off. Plus, you get a ridiculous pension and over the top health care benefits. Let's not dare mention the added sick days you all take.
When DO WE SMARTEN UP? I work more than 40 hours a week, have no benefits and make $40500 a year.
You have gotten away with this charade for all to long. You try to play on the town next too you that is wealthier and probably does a bettr job teaching.
Get rid of this avg salary BS. Town officials quit pandering to the votes.
Town members, organize..stand up and fight. Don't allow the town employees to stuff the town meetings with their family and friends to win support of there actions.
It's UP TO YOU TO DO SOMETHING. Get off your duffs. That's what I did. I moved out of TAXACHUSSETTS. I will seek political office and fight for the average person. The average person like most of you. Not the way over inflated town employees. Want to laugh? Look at your fire and police. They are just as bad with benes and pay.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
NEW ALERT...Teachers don't get snow days off. All missed days of school because of snow are made up at the end of the year. These made up days do not increase salary nor do they cost tax payers any more money. Know your fact prior to commenting.
carol

Chelmsford, MA

#8 Jan 22, 2011
Can we at least separate the comments into two categories, only teachers work part time, the other town employees are full time.
Francois

Lowell, MA

#9 Jan 22, 2011
Does this mean the Parker 8th graders can go to Quebec now and the 7th graders can do their envionmental camp in the spring? Parker teachers were big babies while McCarthy teachers never cancelled their 8th grade Quebec trip. I feel bad for the Parker students.
SchoolsFan

Hanson, MA

#10 Jan 22, 2011
John - former resident wrote:
I am appalled at the average salary. Where do you get off fighting to get at an already way over inflated average. Give me a break. The unions are killing us. You get sping break, christmas break, snow days and the summer off. Plus, you get a ridiculous pension and over the top health care benefits. Let's not dare mention the added sick days you all take.
When DO WE SMARTEN UP? I work more than 40 hours a week, have no benefits and make $40500 a year.
You have gotten away with this charade for all to long. You try to play on the town next too you that is wealthier and probably does a bettr job teaching.
Get rid of this avg salary BS. Town officials quit pandering to the votes.
Town members, organize..stand up and fight. Don't allow the town employees to stuff the town meetings with their family and friends to win support of there actions.
It's UP TO YOU TO DO SOMETHING. Get off your duffs. That's what I did. I moved out of TAXACHUSSETTS. I will seek political office and fight for the average person. The average person like most of you. Not the way over inflated town employees. Want to laugh? Look at your fire and police. They are just as bad with benes and pay.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
So we get spring break, Christmas break, snow days off and summers off, huh?...Have you ever studied a teacher's contract?
Spring break (April) and Christmas break (December) are NOT part of the 185-day school year. Summers are not part of the 185-day school year. And snow days? Those are not "days off" ... every snow day from December-March extends the school year by one day. School calendars have 5 built-in snow days, which means the last day of school is June X if you have zero snow days, and then June X+1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 for every snow day. Say school is scheduled to end on June 15. If you have one snow day, that bumps it to June 16, two snow days June 17, three snow days June 18 and so on. And on a very snowy year where you use more than 5 snow days, the school year actually gets extended beyond the official "final" day of the school year.
Teachers do not get vacation days. In the private sector, the definition of "vacation time" is time off from work that an employee earns for a certain amount of service to a company (i.e. in a given 52-week year, an employee might work 52 weeks. Once that employee earns two weeks "vacation time", that employee can then work 50 weeks and get paid for 52). Right? That's how "vacation time" works, right?
Teachers do not get that. Teachers get paid a salary for working an entire school year. No teacher has a "benefit" that allows that person to take "vacation time" and work fewer days for the same amount of money.
Oh, and by the way,... in 2011 ... if $62,000/year for a person with multiple degrees and 12 years of service is considered a fat salary, then, well, I guess you all out there do not really value your children's education.
I wonder, for example, how many unemployed professionals are on the unemployment rolls right now because they used to earn, say,$180K a year, and are unwillingly to accept a job that pays $62,000 a year.
Don't laugh. Those people are out there.
no more union looting

Dracut, MA

#11 Jan 22, 2011
LowellTeacher wrote:
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Time for you to get a new job. Why don't you become a teacher? Seriously! Go back to school at night. I mean, years ago I went to graduate school at night while working full time. I got my masters and a teaching certificate and got a job. Why don't you do that? I don't understand people who complain about teachers! We're not getting anything that ANYONE isn't entitled to. Enroll yourself at Umass Lowell, Salem State or Fitchburg.
what is your "masters" degree in, Education?

that is a joke of a degree - lower than Junior College, intellectually

I bet you were a dope in grammar school
no more union looting

Dracut, MA

#12 Jan 22, 2011
Like the idea wrote:
uneducated whiny.....brilliant....See you later, boobs.
does any of your self vaunted "education" involve Economics

methinks not

(I bet you can color within the lines, however)
Perplexed Senior

Lowell, MA

#13 Jan 22, 2011
The moonbat vitriol above notwithsatnding, the days of the Chelmsford Federation of Teachers and public sector unions in general will fade away due to their own greed and absolute disrespect for the taxpayer. These unions use the taxpayers money to further their progressive agenda. They send mailings to the taxpayers filled with propoganda. They use the children as their pawns to futher their "cause". Do the math people,$62+K per year for 180 work days, Christmas break Winter break, Spring break and 2 1/2 months off in the Summer. Stop whining, you are paid well, many of you are dedicated, but others continue to game the system. No longer is there a place for unions in the public sector. You have contributed to the fiscal dimise of towns, cities and states with your unfunded liabilities. Act like the professionals you say that you are and stop depending on the union to do your bargaining. Like every other professional, you and you alone are responsible for your advancement.
Smitty

Chelmsford, MA

#14 Jan 22, 2011
There are only 32 graduates from University of MA Fitchburg Education Department. Men and women who would have been teachers will not be taking the jobs of complainers because of the jealousy and hateful remarks made here. I am glad that most of the comments are not from Chelmsford residents. They know their children are getting and excellent education. All parents in suburban communities should follow the Asian and Indian children to classrooms. Their parents respect teachers and know the ones that will bring their children into advanced classes. They expect their children to have teachers that will give homework and take them to curriculum related events and field trips. They also make the art and music programs winners in all areas.
Massachusetts schools are number one in reading, math, and science in the United States and number one in math and science in the world. Chelmsford students participate in that success. It's time they were recognized and appreciated. I'm sorry more Chelmsford residents don't participate in this dialogue. They are well educated and recognize the value of the education their children are getting.
no more looting

Dracut, MA

#15 Jan 22, 2011
Smitty wrote:
They are well educated and recognize the value of the education their children are getting.
me dumb, you smart, is that it?

in my line of work, intelligence is demonstrated, not proclaimed

I will GRANT YOU all of your points which are not at issue in the discussion - how do you propose, in these challenging economic times, to pay for this high caliber education?? you are entirely silent on the matter

I'm all ears (but am not holding my breath)
just facts

Pepperell, MA

#16 Jan 22, 2011
LowellTeacher wrote:
<quoted text>
Time for you to get a new job. Why don't you become a teacher? Seriously! Go back to school at night. I mean, years ago I went to graduate school at night while working full time. I got my masters and a teaching certificate and got a job. Why don't you do that? I don't understand people who complain about teachers! We're not getting anything that ANYONE isn't entitled to. Enroll yourself at Umass Lowell, Salem State or Fitchburg.
That's the usual response here--"if you think it's so easy or are jealous of the benefits, then be a teacher." It's getting old. The gentleman happens to point out some facts here. The well is going dry and the gravy train will end very soon. The average salary in the private sector is now exceeded by the average salary of an indvidual in the public sector. So, who do you think funds your compensation, and what happens when the money runs out? Just what do you think is going to happen to your compensation and benefits? Exactly what has happened to those in the private sector, and the end is coming at an alarming pace while many remain in denial.

Frankly, the union leadership, and the teachers who joined forces to severe online info. to parents, showed their true colors. It's no wonder families are making an exodus to private, parochial and charter schools. I say let's give every family a voucher (I think we are closer to that than ever before) and let families choose where they think their children will receive the best education from dedicated professionals who don't exhibit such behavior. It could be quite a wake up call for some on these forums. Just not sure what will happen first--the voucher system or the declaration of bankruptcy from the states who can no longer fund pensions or support school districts.
just facts

Pepperell, MA

#17 Jan 22, 2011
Smitty wrote:
There are only 32 graduates from University of MA Fitchburg Education Department. Men and women who would have been teachers will not be taking the jobs of complainers because of the jealousy and hateful remarks made here. I am glad that most of the comments are not from Chelmsford residents. They know their children are getting and excellent education. All parents in suburban communities should follow the Asian and Indian children to classrooms. Their parents respect teachers and know the ones that will bring their children into advanced classes. They expect their children to have teachers that will give homework and take them to curriculum related events and field trips. They also make the art and music programs winners in all areas.
Massachusetts schools are number one in reading, math, and science in the United States and number one in math and science in the world. Chelmsford students participate in that success. It's time they were recognized and appreciated. I'm sorry more Chelmsford residents don't participate in this dialogue. They are well educated and recognize the value of the education their children are getting.
I completely disagree with your first statement, and I question whether you have any factual information to substantiate that conclusion. I will agree that parents do need to be more engaged in their children's education and take responsibility; however, those that are involved are not limited to a select few ethnic communities.

As for the "fact" that U.S. students are number one in math and science, this is just wrong. Would like to see your link to this.
John - former resident

Miami, FL

#18 Jan 22, 2011
Even ABC knows the worm in the apple is the teachers union:

A stunning indictment!”--- John Stossell, ABC News

“Peter Brimelow demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt that the teacher unions, through their control of the government education monopoly, are the major source of the gross deficiencies in our government school system. He makes a persuasive case that real education reform requires introducing competition through vouchers and other means and eliminating the legal privileges that are the major source of the unions’ enormous political and economic power.”
Angela

Tewksbury, MA

#19 Jan 22, 2011
John - former resident wrote:
Children, look at the youth today. They spend a lot of time in the classroom. Are they better or worse off than we were (i graduated high school in the 60's)?
Average salary? Look at the average salary of the total town, all households in the town. If we had that data available it would be far less than $65,000.
Hey public employees, you are paid by ME, THE TAXPAYER!!!!! Watch the news. Go to FOX national news and you will hear over and over again, Almost all states are broke. Almost all towns/cities are in trouble over budgets. Biggest issue is the public employee sector (salary and benefits).
You have people in elected office that do the big give away as they are not smart enough (or were not) to see the big picture. They could not coordinate 3 kids in a sandbox, let alone run the local or state government. As you can see I am really upset of this. I have not had a raise in 3 & one half years. My boss says we are lucky to still be in business. Now, If I worked for the city or state they would just raise taxes and fees (their only source of income)to meet the payroll.
HEY, WE CAN NOT TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Take a look at firemen. Most have a second job. Why? One reason is they have a lot of free time based on their job schedule. They work under the table and don't pay taxes on all earnings. I KNOW THAT AS MY RELATIVE TELLS ME> HE SAYS IT IS A JOKE>SAYS HE WILL TAKE THE FREE RIDE AS LONG AS IT LASTS> That's a quote from one of our "HEROS" And I am sick of that self serving term as well. I am the hero! I fight the traffic every day. People die on the highway every day.
Don't get me started.
Another victim of capitalism. Once overpaid, probably living above your means, not able to sustain. Now let's take it out on those that work in education, continuously better themselves, are able to adjust to challenges and be successful with today's youth. Oh by the way you forgot to mention the role that teachers have in contributing to the local economy. They must all live in big houses and have vacation homes down the cape-oh no that is the private sector.
Start over

Salem, MA

#20 Jan 22, 2011
Time for the town to declare Bankruptcy it's the only way to bring reality to these public workers.

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