Parishioners push to keep St. Bernard...

Parishioners push to keep St. Bernard open

There are 15 comments on the Buffalo News story from Feb 23, 2011, titled Parishioners push to keep St. Bernard open. In it, Buffalo News reports that:

The Diocese of Buffalo has proposed closing St. Bernard Church at South Ogden and Clinton streets.

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Smokey

Buffalo, NY

#1 Mar 3, 2011
Tell the Bishop to close his place were he lives & move into a rectory like other priest do ! Then lets see how he would feel! The people would be glad! We pay for your Manssion to live in!!!!
ashamed to be a Catholic

Buffalo, NY

#2 Mar 3, 2011
THIS IS JUST AN EXCUSE FOR THE BISHOP TO LIVE IN HIS CASTLE. BULL!!! I thought all priests and bishops were to live like the nuns......take the vow of poverty. oh wait....I guess Kmiec thinks he's excluded and above the parishioners.
Ask him if he and the priests in the diocese have donated to Catholic Charities. They DON'T! yet they send us letters and put it in BIG BOLD NUMBERS WHAT WE GAVE GENEROUSLY BEFORE AND ASK US RATHER TELL US WE SHOULD DOUBLE OUR DONATION. UM, hello Bishop!!!! some of us don't have jobs anymore. Some of us are living paycheck to paycheck. And for those of us that do, you don't EVEN send us a thank you card or call us to say thanks. THEN YOU EXPECT US TO GIVE SO YOU CAN HOST SOME BIG PARTIES INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING BAKER VICTORY SERVICES FOR EX. THAT REALLY NEED FUNDS.(yeah, they approached me too asking for $$ b/c they said YOU DON'T GIVE a dime to them!!) What about the Catholic schools? Why do you turn some folks away from Catholic Charities that need help? Oh wait, it's b/c they didn't donate to your cause. HYPOCRITE!! yeah, I'm ashamed to admit I'm a Catholic of the Buffalo Diocese. Wish I were in another state. Kmiec is greedy.
ashamed to be a Catholic

Buffalo, NY

#3 Mar 3, 2011
Here's the article from 2007 Mansion’s opulence criticized in a time of diocesan downsizing
By Jay Tokasz
NEWS STAFF REPORTER
Updated: 05/19/07 6:39 AM
A priest first raised the issue publicly nearly 20 years ago, when he asked at a conference of clergy why his bishop needed to live in a mansion on one of the city’s most exclusive streets.
Now, the question is arising again in the Diocese of Buffalo, especially among Catholics concerned about the closing of area churches and schools.
Some Catholics are suggesting that Bishop Edward U. Kmiec sell the 11,000-square-foot stone mansion at 79 Oakland Place and use the profits to assist struggling schools and parishes, instead of shutting them down.

The E.B. Green-designed house has nine bedrooms and six bathrooms. Kmiec lives there along with his secretary, the Rev. David G. LiPuma, and the diocesan chancellor, the Rev. Paul A. Litwin.
Diocesan officials this week said the mansion serves a crucial role and is much more than a residence.

“It’s used extensively for pastoral meetings, as well as social functions,” said diocesan spokesman Kevin A. Keenan.“We see great value in maintaining this residence as a base of operations ... There’s no other place like this where [the bishop] can conduct the kind of business that’s conducted there.”

A variety of dinners and fundraising efforts for Catholic Charities and Catholic education are held in the mansion, as well as meetings with priests, dignitaries, and visiting bishops, who receive overnight accommodations.
The building saves the diocese the expense of renting hotel, restaurant or conference room space for many of the events and visits, Keenan said.

But some view the living arrangement as a luxury during a time when many Catholics are being asked to give up the churches that have been their spiritual homes for their entire lives.
“It should be,‘Practice what you preach,’” said Catherine Keogh, a parishioner of St. John the Baptist Parish in the Town of Tonawanda.“He doesn’t need it. That’s the bottom line. It’s a waste.”
After Keogh learned that Catholic Charities would no longer fund the Society of St. Vincent de Paul summer camp, putting the camp’s future in jeopardy, she wrote a letter to The News calling on the bishop to sell or lease both the mansion and the Catholic Center at 795 Main St.

“It’s always the kids who suffer. It’s just not right,” she said.
Craig E. Speers, a parishioner of St. Rose of Lima Parish in North Buffalo, followed up with the same request.

“It’s ostentatious to the point of being insulting to the parishioners of this diocese,” Speers said in reference to the mansion and the Main Street diocesan headquarters.
“They’re not religious buildings. They have no religious significance,” he said.
Speers began raising his objections following the bishop’s decision earlier this year to close St. Rose of Lima parish school and 13 other schools.
In 1987, a Buffalo priest created a stir in the diocese by suggesting the bishop could do without the Oakland Place mansion.

At a conference in a downtown hotel, local Catholic clergy were discussing how they might best respond to Pope John Paul II’s statement at the time on the church’s “preferential option for the poor.”
The Rev. Roy Herberger asked if they might begin by selling the diocesan mansion and living in simple quarters, as a way to be more in sync with Catholic social teaching.
“There was quite a reaction,” said Herberger, who is now pastor of St. Columba & St. Brigid Parish.
Lay people concerned
ashamed to be a Catholic

Buffalo, NY

#4 Mar 3, 2011
here's the article from 2007 re: why the Bishop won't move from his mansion

http://reform-network.net/...

Biggest load of crap I ever heard if you ask me.
Audit

United States

#5 Mar 4, 2011
I woud like an audit done to see why they were $400,000 in debt.

People are stealing for everywhere. Just to make sure.
Gerry

Hamburg, NY

#6 Mar 7, 2011
As educated people, Anna and I wholeheartedly support our Bishop in closing unnecessary parishes. The more affluent parishes are remaining open which is actually pretty wise. If people can't afford their own parish they don't deserve to have one. Again, we see people who expect others to provide for them when they don't have the desire to help themselves. People need to educate themselves better so that they can get a job and support themself. Don't blame our Bishop because of your own performance or lack thereof.
Anna

Hamburg, NY

#7 Mar 7, 2011
Gerry just mentioned to me about this topic which he knows I hold strong views on. Let me say that when I was a member of the Women's Club in my parish a person raised the issue at a meeting that we should have a fundraiser for a particular inner city parish. I immediately demanded to be heard on the floor. I let people know that our obligation was to our own parish. The people in the inner city were obligated to their parish. Our parishioners work hard for their money. The parishioners of these other parishes needed to do the same. If they couldn't afford their parish then it had no right to exist. Needless to say their parish was one of the parishes to be closed down by the bishop. As Gerry alluded, people want what they can't afford and think the rest of us should pay for it.
GERRY

Niagara Falls, NY

#9 Mar 7, 2011
Gerry wrote:
As educated people, Anna and I wholeheartedly support our Bishop in closing unnecessary parishes. The more affluent parishes are remaining open which is actually pretty wise. If people can't afford their own parish they don't deserve to have one. Again, we see people who expect others to provide for them when they don't have the desire to help themselves. People need to educate themselves better so that they can get a job and support themself. Don't blame our Bishop because of your own performance or lack thereof.
As educated people Anna and I blah blah Every post is As educated people BLAH BLAH Broken record.
Kaisertown Jimmy

Lockport, NY

#10 Mar 7, 2011
Anna wrote:
Gerry just mentioned to me about this topic which he knows I hold strong views on. Let me say that when I was a member of the Women's Club in my parish a person raised the issue at a meeting that we should have a fundraiser for a particular inner city parish. I immediately demanded to be heard on the floor. I let people know that our obligation was to our own parish. The people in the inner city were obligated to their parish. Our parishioners work hard for their money. The parishioners of these other parishes needed to do the same. If they couldn't afford their parish then it had no right to exist. Needless to say their parish was one of the parishes to be closed down by the bishop. As Gerry alluded, people want what they can't afford and think the rest of us should pay for it.
Hi dere Anna, dis is Jimmy,

By dem ways, watt dat dere scale say it when you get on?

I dat millionaire yust like it you and dat dere Gerry.
Are yous Polish like it me?

Anna, come it to Kaisertown witt dat dere Gerry for nekkid Polka dense at 57 Barnard Street.
I give it you famous czarnina and tasty knuckle gravy made it fresh everydays.

You and dat dere Gerry can meet it my wife watts called Krystyna.
My mudder was call it Dorata; we real big time Polock peoples.

Please inwite me to house watt you and dat dere gerry have it.
Would be nice to get out of ghetto some of dem times.

I hope yous are good TeaBags peoples watt hate it Jew, darkie and udder nasty foreign peoples.

Bye Bye Anna,
I talk by you later,
Jimmy (can't get no boner) Ziolkowski
Gerry

Hamburg, NY

#11 Mar 7, 2011
GERRY wrote:
<quoted text>As educated people Anna and I blah blah Every post is As educated people BLAH BLAH Broken record.
Pardon me, but I believe an apology is in order to Anna and me. We enjoy sharing our opinions with others, so we enjoy the Topix Forum. We are entitled to our opinion and never would resort to attacking another or insulting them.

Yes, we are educated people and we stress that because some people have not sought to educate themselves. Anna taught school prior to our starting our family. I was a businessman that also worked for a local utility company. Our children are highly successful and one even owns his own business with a partner. The fact that I am Polish is not something to which I am ashamed or deserve to be insulted about by someone. For you information, Anna is Irish! While we have what some may call a mixed marriage we have been married a number of years and are quite happy!
gerry

Niagara Falls, NY

#12 Mar 7, 2011
Gerry wrote:
<quoted text>
Pardon me, but I believe an apology is in order to Anna and me. We enjoy sharing our opinions with others, so we enjoy the Topix Forum. We are entitled to our opinion and never would resort to attacking another or insulting them.
Yes, we are educated people and we stress that because some people have not sought to educate themselves. Anna taught school prior to our starting our family. I was a businessman that also worked for a local utility company. Our children are highly successful and one even owns his own business with a partner. The fact that I am Polish is not something to which I am ashamed or deserve to be insulted about by someone. For you information, Anna is Irish! While we have what some may call a mixed marriage we have been married a number of years and are quite happy!
LA DE DAH . Really trying to impress with your educated people. Did you ever think that you and ANNA aren't the only people that are educated ?? As for being polish , thats something to be proud of and ANNA being IRISH is great. You don't have to brag in everypost about being educated . It's like a broken record. Boring. Good days ahead to you and ANNA
Seen It Before

Buffalo, NY

#13 Mar 7, 2011
Gerry wrote:
As educated people, Anna and I wholeheartedly support our Bishop in closing unnecessary parishes. The more affluent parishes are remaining open which is actually pretty wise. If people can't afford their own parish they don't deserve to have one. Again, we see people who expect others to provide for them when they don't have the desire to help themselves. People need to educate themselves better so that they can get a job and support themself. Don't blame our Bishop because of your own performance or lack thereof.
Are you & Anna Sexual Intellects? You sure sound it.. You could fill manure spreaders easily with all that vast knowledge.
Gerry

Hamburg, NY

#14 Mar 8, 2011
gerry wrote:
<quoted text>LA DE DAH . Really trying to impress with your educated people. Did you ever think that you and ANNA aren't the only people that are educated ?? As for being polish , thats something to be proud of and ANNA being IRISH is great. You don't have to brag in everypost about being educated . It's like a broken record. Boring. Good days ahead to you and ANNA
Anna and I post on different threads, so we do not say the same thing on each thread. Generally, we only post once on each thread, but we do check back to see if others have commented on our posting. If I repeat about our educations it is not to show off, but to make our point to what could be a new audience on another thread. Our point is that education affects the very thing we are commenting on. Anna was a school teacher back in the 1960's and as a teacher she emphasized education. At that time she was one of few woman to go to college. I myself hold an associates degree and many certifications in construction. All of our children hold bachelor's degrees from Catholic colleges and all have attended Catholic elementary and high schools.
Z media

United States

#15 Mar 8, 2011
The Jerry I know is an outstanding man and Boy Scout troup leader and church goer.
Ziolkowski Zilliness

Lockport, NY

#16 Mar 8, 2011
Z media wrote:
The Jerry I know is an outstanding man and Boy Scout troup leader and church goer.
Hi dere, dis is broke-dick Jimmy,

When dat dere St. Barnyards close dem door, I will drive it you in my Crown Wick to dat True Baffle Baptistism Church on dat East Fairy St.

Me and dat minister, His Holiness Delirious Pidgeon, are bestest friends. I take it him czarnina and he give it me neck bones and butter beans.

Dat good church watt dunt pull it on little boy's wieners.
Day dence, sing song, puff dat dere wackie tabackie and drink lot Wild Irish Rose wine.

I be good neighbor to yous Catlicks watts look for change.

Bye Bye
I talk by you later,
Jimmy de Praying Hypocrite

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