Hundreds Show Up for Sumner County Co...

Hundreds Show Up for Sumner County Commission Meeting

There are 38 comments on the WZTV Top Stories story from Aug 6, 2012, titled Hundreds Show Up for Sumner County Commission Meeting. In it, WZTV Top Stories reports that:

An incredible turnout in Gallatin tonight as hundreds of people show up for an emergency meeting of the County Commission.

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Paul Hull

Hendersonville, TN

#25 Aug 12, 2012
4)I do think that those who have to get loans to build new schools are aware of the cost impact. That's one reason why so many of our schools are over crowded and we don't have more than we already do. I agree that a "fancier" school does not necessarily produce a better education, however it is worth noting that a certain technology level IS necessary in order to teach the fundamentals that will keep up with the rest of the planet (even the rest of the county or state, for that matter). As a side note, I'm unsure of two things about this point: What do you mean when you say "fancy school"? What is the unneeded tech? Are you saying no wireless , or are you saying no computers, or something else? Also, I'm unsure why this is even an issue in this thread. Did I miss something? Is there a new school being requested in the budget this year? I saw re-roofing an old school, but I didn't see a request for a new one. I might have missed it, please enlighten me if I did.

5) It is this way because of the difficulty a teacher would have in going out during the summer and having a hob for just 3 months and then going back to school. THAT is the way it is because we used to be a much more agrarian society, and we needed the kids at home during the summer to help out of the farms and other home tasks. As the times have changed, so have our needs as a culture. I actually think your point here should be in argument for year round school, not for teachers having to receive no pay for the summer. Another point here, most teachers in the college system (I have no idea how this works in the k-12 system, to be honest), make a choice of how they want to receive their salary. They don't just get free money during the summer. They get paid X amount over the year, and they make a choice as to whether they receive what they should be making every month for the time they are teaching, or getting less so that they can spread those checks out across the summer. It's not free money, it already what the would be making spread out over time they are not working.
I'm in favor of year round school with 2-3 week breaks. I have had a kid in that system before and it is MUCH more time and money efficient, and it helps the kids maintain flow throughout the year.

6) I think what you are actually saying here is that you don't trust our school board and board of Ed. They are elected right now. They were elected by the majority who decided they could trust them. This is how school boards are elected by state across the country.

http://www.nsba.org/SchoolLaw/Issues/Governan...

Last but not least, I never said anything about a new tax. While I would support one in this case, I actually don't even think that it's needed. After looking at both the county and school budgets, I think that the county can come up with the missing fund now that the schools have cut out more of their request. It can be done without raising taxes if the county comm will just try to make it happen.
James

Houston, TX

#26 Aug 12, 2012
I think what is meant by the new schools is we don't need an architect and a crew of people to design some progressive joke of a school, there should be a cookie cutter design and built to last not look like a picasso painting, if one is really needed at all some times we get ancy to build new instead of seeing if it would be cost effective to add on or repair.
If you look at what I have posted they don't work a full year regardless of what is said that is the honest truth but the get paid a years salary, I know what teachers make, If they work part of a year you should get paid part of a year they are no better than the rest of us.
The School Board is elected and yes I understand how that works, but now they have proven themselves unworthy of their jobs by their own irresponsible ways, they should be removed. Have you ever happened to notice how many administrators are in this school district it is ridiculous and that is just part of their extravagant spending. You can't argue there is not a ton of money to be saved if you know what goes on in this county or any other one.
A new tax is not needed in any case, and explain to me what new tax they have passed for the schools or for the sake of the kids that has made them smarter a good teacher can teach with the basic supplies, if they can't manage the money alloted there is some one that can waiting to take their place they are replacable and I believe they should step down and allow some one else handle this they obviously can't, they have wasted all this time demanding more money not finding a way to provide an education for the kids(albeit what little they receive in a public school setting).
Taxpayer

Portland, TN

#27 Aug 12, 2012
Paul Hull wrote:
4)I do think that those who have to get loans to build new schools are aware of the cost impact. That's one reason why so many of our schools are over crowded and we don't have more than we already do. I agree that a "fancier" school does not necessarily produce a better education, however it is worth noting that a certain technology level IS necessary in order to teach the fundamentals that will keep up with the rest of the planet (even the rest of the county or state, for that matter). As a side note, I'm unsure of two things about this point: What do you mean when you say "fancy school"? What is the unneeded tech? Are you saying no wireless , or are you saying no computers, or something else? Also, I'm unsure why this is even an issue in this thread. Did I miss something? Is there a new school being requested in the budget this year? I saw re-roofing an old school, but I didn't see a request for a new one. I might have missed it, please enlighten me if I did.

5) It is this way because of the difficulty a teacher would have in going out during the summer and having a hob for just 3 months and then going back to school. THAT is the way it is because we used to be a much more agrarian society, and we needed the kids at home during the summer to help out of the farms and other home tasks. As the times have changed, so have our needs as a culture. I actually think your point here should be in argument for year round school, not for teachers having to receive no pay for the summer. Another point here, most teachers in the college system (I have no idea how this works in the k-12 system, to be honest), make a choice of how they want to receive their salary. They don't just get free money during the summer. They get paid X amount over the year, and they make a choice as to whether they receive what they should be making every month for the time they are teaching, or getting less so that they can spread those checks out across the summer. It's not free money, it already what the would be making spread out over time they are not working.
I'm in favor of year round school with 2-3 week breaks. I have had a kid in that system before and it is MUCH more time and money efficient, and it helps the kids maintain flow throughout the year.

6) I think what you are actually saying here is that you don't trust our school board and board of Ed. They are elected right now. They were elected by the majority who decided they could trust them. This is how school boards are elected by state across the country.

http://www.nsba.org/SchoolLaw/Issues/Governan...

Last but not least, I never said anything about a new tax. While I would support one in this case, I actually don't even think that it's needed. After looking at both the county and school budgets, I think that the county can come up with the missing fund now that the schools have cut out more of their request. It can be done without raising taxes if the county comm will just try to make it happen.
If the school board closed schools because they needed a certain amount of money or else - they should stand by that amount if it was so critical to close the schools . To back down and take less just makes their case less valid. Just my opinion.
yankee

United States

#28 Aug 12, 2012
So where do we stand now, as of sunday? Re-open monday?
Taxpayer2

Portland, TN

#29 Aug 12, 2012
yankee wrote:
So where do we stand now, as of sunday? Re-open monday?
No, there's a meeting Monday night - won't know anything till after that meeting.
Paul Hull

Hendersonville, TN

#30 Aug 12, 2012
James I think you missed my point about salary during the summer... They only get paid for the work they do during the school year. They can make a choice to have it spread out over the course of the summer when they are not working. It would be like if you got paid every day you worked, 5 days a week, and your employer gave you an option to get less on each check the five days you worked so that you could spread the total out of all 7 days. You make the same net amount, it's just spread out so you can live on it as a steady income. Is that clearer?

Also, just because the kids aren't in school does not mean the teachers aren't working. They still don't work the whole summer, but it's much more than just when the kids are in school... It's a longer day than when the kids have and it's a longer year than the kids have too.
Paul Hull

Hendersonville, TN

#31 Aug 12, 2012
also, I understand what is being said that a new school needn't be fancy, what I am wondering is why that is even in this discussion. Is there a new school up to be built that I'm not aware of? Honest question here. If there is not I don't think that the question of how fancy new schools should be belongs in the discussion about funding this years budget. If there IS a new one up this year, then I can see why it would be important to build it as efficiently as possible.
Taxpayer2

Portland, TN

#32 Aug 12, 2012
Paul Hull wrote:
also, I understand what is being said that a new school needn't be fancy, what I am wondering is why that is even in this discussion. Is there a new school up to be built that I'm not aware of? Honest question here. If there is not I don't think that the question of how fancy new schools should be belongs in the discussion about funding this years budget. If there IS a new one up this year, then I can see why it would be important to build it as efficiently as possible.
It is in the discussion because its a school that was built in the district that Dr. Phillips came from. It makes me wonder if history will repeat itself. At a time of not having good textbooks and facing teacher jobs being lost, a 22 million dollar school seems out of line.
Paul Hull

Hendersonville, TN

#33 Aug 13, 2012
Taxpayer2 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is in the discussion because its a school that was built in the district that Dr. Phillips came from. It makes me wonder if history will repeat itself. At a time of not having good textbooks and facing teacher jobs being lost, a 22 million dollar school seems out of line.
Ah I see now, thank you. I can understand wondering if history will repeat itself... but I would think the time to worry about the budget for a school is when it comes up for vote to build a new school, not when we are talking about enough funding to keep the existing schools running smoothly and well. Of course, only my opinion (I'm sure you have noticed by now that I am full of them), but I think that is something being thrown up as ammunition that is irrelevant to this current issue, and it clouds the current issue more than necessary.
mcintyre

Nashville, TN

#34 Aug 13, 2012
You people are crazy. James if you do all you said in your little soapbox up there. You will have more kids dropping our of school then staying. I would really hate to be your kids. If you really have any at all. You say there is no need for school to last over 1/2 a day. If you think that you can fit all you said up there in 1/2 a day you are out of you mind. What we need is a County Commissioner that cares more for its students then the inmates in the jails. You talk about cuts for the teachers. When was the last time you got a raise? I bet you have had at least on the the last 5 years. The teachers have not. You people think you can do such a better job at running our schools. You have no more of a clue then the people we already have.
Taxpayer

Portland, TN

#35 Aug 13, 2012
Paul Hull wrote:
<quoted text>Ah I see now, thank you. I can understand wondering if history will repeat itself... but I would think the time to worry about the budget for a school is when it comes up for vote to build a new school, not when we are talking about enough funding to keep the existing schools running smoothly and well. Of course, only my opinion (I'm sure you have noticed by now that I am full of them), but I think that is something being thrown up as ammunition that is irrelevant to this current issue, and it clouds the current issue more than necessary.
Well, I brought it up because I think to understand how someone's management style in the past and how he made decisions is key to understanding our current situation. I
don't throw it out as ammunition, but to bring some things out to show that we may face a similar wish list without having the essentials first. Until we can fund our teachers and provide the necessary things, we should be looking at cutting out all excess spending . I read in their local paper how teachers jobs were cut at the same time of the new school building. That didn't make a lot of sense to me. Personally, I think our situation now merits bringing in an outside arbitrator to settle this in an objective way. Right now, it just seems like a power struggle between the CC and the SB. I don't think either is all that concerned with education. First, cut out all unnecessary spending, then put first things first -- only as a last resort think about a tax increase. Schools aren't the only place where more funding is needed. What then? Just keep raising taxes ?? If teachers lose jobs , would it be asking too much for the ones at the top to take a reduction in their salary or perks? Think this is everyone's problem, not just teachers and taxpayers.
TN teacher

Elizabethtown, KY

#36 Aug 13, 2012
James wrote:
I think what is meant by the new schools is we don't need an architect and a crew of people to design some progressive joke of a school, there should be a cookie cutter design and built to last not look like a picasso painting, if one is really needed at all some times we get ancy to build new instead of seeing if it would be cost effective to add on or repair.
If you look at what I have posted they don't work a full year regardless of what is said that is the honest truth but the get paid a years salary, I know what teachers make, If they work part of a year you should get paid part of a year they are no better than the rest of us.
The School Board is elected and yes I understand how that works, but now they have proven themselves unworthy of their jobs by their own irresponsible ways, they should be removed. Have you ever happened to notice how many administrators are in this school district it is ridiculous and that is just part of their extravagant spending. You can't argue there is not a ton of money to be saved if you know what goes on in this county or any other one.
A new tax is not needed in any case, and explain to me what new tax they have passed for the schools or for the sake of the kids that has made them smarter a good teacher can teach with the basic supplies, if they can't manage the money alloted there is some one that can waiting to take their place they are replacable and I believe they should step down and allow some one else handle this they obviously can't, they have wasted all this time demanding more money not finding a way to provide an education for the kids(albeit what little they receive in a public school setting).
While I appreciate your opinion, let's get some facts correct before spouting off things that are incorrect. Teachers don't work "half" a year. There are 365 days in a year minus 104 days for the weekends, that equals 261. I am assuming that most other professionals receive Thanksgiving & Christmas off in their line of work, but we can skip that for now. I am contractually bound to work 200 days. Plus in service hours, that I don't get paid for, but pay docked if I fail to do them. That is 5 more days. 261-5= 256 -200(contracted days)= 56 days I don't work. I am only a math teacher so correct me if I am wrong, not working 56 days is NOT half a year. Plus I know very few teachers who don't go in during summer break to prepare for the students.
I won't even get started on the importance of related arts classes. But what I will say is that you idn't mention Englsh as being important. I believe that if you felt English was important, you would know the word you were trying to imply was "antsy" not ancy.
mammas boyz

Lafayette, TN

#37 Aug 14, 2012
everyone is blaming the schools for the obese of our children. but if yaw would think about it the schools caf. is the ones thats watching the calories and etc. i worked in a schools caf. and some of the food thats healthy i didnt think would taste good and thought none of the kids would eat it. but it was really good. our kids r not in school long enough to get obese. they get that way from parents that dont give a rats ass. that r to lazy to cook and want to get take out all the time or parents that just buy junk food. everyone needs to get real and stop blaming the schools for EVERYTHING. parents need to take some responibility for there kids
mammas boyz

Lafayette, TN

#38 Aug 14, 2012
and the parents that just let there kids sit on there rump playing video games (so they dont have to deal with the kids)
Taxpayer2

Portland, TN

#39 Aug 14, 2012
mammas boyz wrote:
and the parents that just let there kids sit on there rump playing video games (so they dont have to deal with the kids)
Agree -- and personally I think those at the top on both sides, but especially the BOE, could make a powerful statement by taking a pay cut themselves. If the situation is this serious that they are threatening to cut teachers then they should be willing to make some sacrifice too !
Michael Kanoza

Hendersonville, TN

#40 Aug 16, 2012
I aggree with this 100%-- I will join the campaign TODAY!!
Paul Hull wrote:
Given that as a parent I had no idea at all this was coming until I received a call from the school on Friday that it would be closed, I think it is reasonable to be forgiven for not making the meeting that was scheduled at the last minute. Had the school board or the county commission bothered to let us know this might happen before the last day possible, there might have been a greater show of support. However, they didn't even mention it at registration 2 days prior! This is ridiculous. It should have been solved WAY before now. Both the school board and the county commission should be held accountable. They have completely failed in their duty to make it work. I understand drawing a line for funds, I really do. However there also has to be a willingness to compromise on the part of the schools and a willingness to FUND the schools from the county commission. The whole thing has been handled poorly, from the lack of notice to the parents (read, VOTERS) to the lack of willingness to compromise. We should never have been caught off guard by this. It is our money, our public school, and our elected officials that are in the middle of completely failing at their jobs. I am hard pressed to think of any reason why I shouldn't start a campaign to remove every single one from office and start over with people who are willing to do their job correctly.
Ogre

United States

#41 Aug 16, 2012
Michael Kanoza wrote:
I aggree with this 100%-- I will join the campaign TODAY!!<quoted text>
Nerds!!!! Fooball is the only thing that matters! Not baseball basketball soccer and definately not acedemics!
Taxpayer2

Portland, TN

#42 Aug 19, 2012
Wondering how many teachers will lose their jobs as a result of this ?

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