Chattanooga voters repeal civil rights for LGBT city employees as well as partner benefits

There are 20 comments on the Seattle Gay News story from Aug 8, 2014, titled Chattanooga voters repeal civil rights for LGBT city employees as well as partner benefits. In it, Seattle Gay News reports that:

Preliminary results from Chattanooga, Tennessee indicate that the city's residents have voted to repeal a city ordinance that extended essential non-discrimination protections to the city's LGBT employees, as well as partner benefits for those who have same-sex spouses.

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lgbt is silly

Knoxville, TN

#1 Aug 8, 2014
Excellent!

"Chattanooga voters repeal civil rights for LGBT city employees as well as partner benefits"

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“SCOTUS will Rule in June for”

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MARRIAGE EQUALITY:-)

#2 Aug 8, 2014
lgbt is silly wrote:
Excellent!
"Chattanooga voters repeal civil rights for LGBT city employees as well as partner benefits"
Don't worry.......this is NOT legal and will be challenged ESPECIALLY once Tennessee loses it's appeal regarding the right to marry!!!

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#4 Aug 9, 2014
Leroy wrote:
WOO HOO!!!
Score one for the good team!!!
Cheer while you can....one day gay marriage and civil rights will be the law of the land.

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#5 Aug 11, 2014
Thank you, Chattanooga!

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“Opposing Evil, Helping Good”

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#6 Aug 12, 2014
Hey everyone, I know this sucks, but don't sweat it.

Marriage Equality WILL happen! It's not even a question of "if", only a question of "when".

All you homophobes, sorry about this, but you are totally wrong, and are on the wrong side of history.

Look, you don't have to like gays. Nobody said you did. That's ur choice. You can hate them as much as you want. You have the right to any OPINION you choose to espouse.

However, THEY have the right to EQUAL PROTECTION under the LAW.

Same-Sex Marriage is already legal in what, half the states. And the other half are coming soon. Sorry to anyone who disapproves, but yes, SSM is coming to Tennessee. It is! And Alabama, and Georgia, and Texas (oops, we already did that one, lol), and Mississippi and South Carolina and North Carolina (one of the worst states in the USA, right now! It's hard to believe it was one of the best, not many years ago, before the stupid Nazis took over...), and Virginia (oh yeah we already did that one to), and everywhere else in the USA and any other first-world country! And the developing counties also, for that mater!!!

And that is how it should be, right? SSM should be legalized EVERYWHERE!

I tell you what, anyone who disagrees, please proove me wrong. Please SHOW me SPECIFICALLY WHY it should not be legalized.

I am one of the most open-minded persons on the planet. If you are right and I am wrong, all you've gotta do is show me! That's all you have to do. And if I am wrong, it goes without saying that I will change and get right. Always have, always will, always do.

So yeah, if I'm wrong, why don't one of you homophobes proove me wrong.

And this isn't the first time I've said this to the homophobes on the Chattanooga, TN forum.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/chattanooga-t...

As you can see, I did not get one reply from the homophobes. Not one (unless Post #17 was from them; it got botted or deleted; see Post #19 of that thread, about that).

I mean if I'm wrong, proove me wrong, you know. If I'm wrong, I would rather know it then not know it. But you gotta come correct. I'm not gonna fall for any BS. I've been doing this since last century, and I've dealt with literally every type of internet user in existence, more times then I could count.

But yeah, if I'm wrong about this, just proove me wrong.

However, please be mindful of the "Seemless Garment" philosophy. If you advocate taking away rights from others, then, with very few exceptions (I'll go into the exceptions if anyone brings it up), you have no right to complain about someone taking rights away from YOU! Or else you are a hypocrite, and EVERYBODY hates hypocrites, and rightfully so!

http://www.topix.com/forum/health/smoking/TO5...

So yeah, think about it, and if I'm wrong about my views on SSM and LGBT issues, someone please proove me wrong. I would rather know it then not know it. MUCH rather, bi orders of magnitude!!! I would rather be knowledgeable, myself, not ignorant, that sucks! So yeah, if you have information I do not have, please do present it.

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lgbt is silly

Corryton, TN

#7 Aug 12, 2014
Leroy wrote:
WOO HOO!!!
Score one for the good team!!!
It's GREAT!

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#8 Aug 12, 2014
"Hey everyone, I know this sucks, but don't sweat it.

Marriage Equality WILL happen! It's not even a question of "if", only a question of "when".

All you homophobes, sorry about this, but you are totally wrong, and are on the wrong side of history."

LGBT Initiatives will gain legislative yardage, create much confusion and generate great deception, but it will never achieve so-called "marriage equality" within the context of any realistic or clear understanding of the meaning of the term. LGBT's intentional misuse of the term is but a contradiction. The proposition that "marriage equality" may actually occur given adequate contortion of words, distortion of definitions and/or perverse misunderstanding of any or all the above...is still completely futile. A rebellious political block may achieve some degree of placating a collective desperation to legitimize that which is illegitimate, but creating the historic, social, cultural, moral or spiritual equivalency to man/woman marriage will not be one of them. Pretending to deem a fraudulent union legitimate simply because it shares similarity of verbiage is not far from stupid. Such practice would presuppose that both idioms rest upon the very same value system and upon the same virtues of origination and purpose, carrying an identical projection of future cause and effect. Obviously, they do not!

As a point of interest, your reckless characterization of political opponents as "homophobes" is askew from any meaningful relevance. The suffix used here is "phobe," which insinuates an element of inherent fear within a mythical class. Let me clear this up for you... I do not fear anyone struggling with homosexuality. I fear no-one suffering any number of gender identity disorders. I fear nothing about these individuals struggling with sex addictions, homosexual or heterosexual. My opposition the these aberrant social pathologies and the move to institutionalize them is based upon human suffering, failure and destruction which follows irrespective of its rebellious attractions. My life has been devoted to helping those who find themselves in failure, defeat and misery, uncertain themselves how they actually got there. Deception is free, but so is Truth!

I wish you well, thanks for listening.

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“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

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#9 Aug 12, 2014
There must be a sign when you enter that state that reads...... Tennessee The Backward State .

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lgbt is silly

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#11 Aug 12, 2014
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"Just last week in Chattanooga, Tennessee, locals decided overwhelmingly (13,685 to 8,184) to repeal a new law that gave health benefits to same-sex partners.“It sets a financial precedent,” said the local Tea Party group,“that will be difficult for the city of Chattanooga taxpayers to sustain long term.” Not surprisingly, the story got very little media attention. No one – least of all the mainstream press – wants to admit that Americans aren’t nearly as supportive of this agenda as the courts and newspapers would have you believe. Unfortunately, that also means the Left only has one option for imposing its agenda: harassment."

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#12 Aug 12, 2014
lgbt is silly wrote:
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"Just last week in Chattanooga, Tennessee, locals decided overwhelmingly (13,685 to 8,184) to repeal a new law that gave health benefits to same-sex partners.“It sets a financial precedent,” said the local Tea Party group,“that will be difficult for the city of Chattanooga taxpayers to sustain long term.” Not surprisingly, the story got very little media attention. No one – least of all the mainstream press – wants to admit that Americans aren’t nearly as supportive of this agenda as the courts and newspapers would have you believe. Unfortunately, that also means the Left only has one option for imposing its agenda: harassment."
Excellent quote. 100% spot on!

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lgbt is silly

Knoxville, TN

#13 Aug 13, 2014
ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
Thank you, Chattanooga!
Once again Tennessee leads the way in America's return to common sense and decency!

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Sgt Common Sense

Denver, CO

#14 Aug 13, 2014
lgbt is silly wrote:
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Once again Tennessee leads the way in America's return to common sense and decency!
Did you do know that the toothbrush was invented in Tennessee? If it was invented anywhere else it would have been called a teethbrush. True story!

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“Opposing Evil, Helping Good”

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#15 Aug 13, 2014
@ORIGINAL WILLARD - First of all, TY for replying; it's pretty much the first time (lately, on this site), that one of you has. And it goes without saying that without dialogue, we cannot consensus-build.

Which is extremely important! And remember, "consensus" does not mean "compromise". It means getting everything down to brass tacks, and finding out who is right about X, and who is right about Y, and so on. In some cases one side is mostly right, and the other mostly wrong. However, that is something that we (all of us; the populace) must determinate through consensus-building.

So I'm going to address some or your comments...

ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
LGBT Initiatives will gain legislative yardage, create much confusion and generate great deception, but it will never achieve so-called "marriage equality" within the context of any realistic or clear understanding of the meaning of the term.
Yeah but from where is the definition of "the term" derived?

And this same thing applies too much of ur first paragraph. "intentional misuse of the term", "contortion of words", "fraudulent union", and on and on...

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you are using a "definition" which is either religious (I'll go into what's wrong with that if anyone brings it up; as well as what my religious beliefs are), or is based on something like "It shouldn't be alloud, because it never has been.", or on something like the so-called "Ick Factor" ("That's disgusting, so it shouldn't be alloud!"), or on the fact that they can't reproduce (which is actually false, since we have TECHNOLOGY! This is the 21st Century, after all!) Or something like that.

All of those are extremely fallacious. I'm not positive of the exact fallacy, because I'm not positive of which of those you are espousing. You were kinda vague about that. If you'll go into more detail about, like where exactly you derive that from, I'll explain exactly where the fallacy lies.

ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
As a point of interest, your reckless characterization of political opponents as "homophobes"...
Oh, sorry. I didn't exactly mean it in that way, but I could see how it might be. And I certainly believe in a person's right to self-identify.

Although do note that "phobia" doesn't always (in modern context) mean ONLY "fear". It can mean aversion, animosity, or disdain, also.

Ok, so what do you call, you know, a "you"? Like someone who believes in what you believe in? You choose the label. But it's got to be real, of course, lol. Other then then, what do you call it?

How about "Anti-Gay"? Is that fair?

ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
...struggling with homosexuality... gender identity disorders....sex addictions
Ok, the problems with this are numerous!

The main thing is that your argument would apply when, and only when, the person is UNHAPPY being what they are! In those cases, believe it or not, I DO support such a thing, STRICTLY IN THOSE CASES.

Just like if a person is a brunette, and wants to be a blonde, I fully support the use of cosmetics (haircolor, in that case), so that they can be what they CHOOSE.

Yes, I believe in "Be what you WANT to be!", not so much "Be what you are!"

However, the problem (with ur agrument) is that like 99.999%+ of the time, the subject is happy being LGBT. And as long as they are happy with it, I, and all other good people, are happy for them.


I'm almost out of room. Those were some good points to raise. I haven't discussed most of that in a while, because most anti-gay posters just duck my posts, so yes, thank you for replying!!!

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“Peace”

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#16 Aug 13, 2014
Just a very few insights into how Tennessee feels

Tennessee Religious Bill Permits Anti-Gay Bullying and Discrimination
http://youmaybenext.com/tennessee-religious-b...

Tennessee does seem to have a problem with transgender people.

Tennessee State Representative Richard Floyd said he would "stomp a mudhole" into any transgender woman he saw attempting to use a women's restroom.

Now this man was not trans or gay but was murdered because he was perceived to be gay.
Willie Houston
Nashville, Tennessee
Shot, allegedly by Lewis Maynard Davidson III while carrying his girlfriends purse.

The names below are other transgender women killed in Tennessee, but is not a complete list.
Duanna Johnson, transgendered woman shot dead in Memphis Another transgendered Memphian is dead: Identified initially as Dwayne Johnson, Duanna Johnson is the very same woman who was savagely beaten down in a Memphis jail by two cops.

Nakia Baker. Baker was a transgendered woman from Murfreesboro found dead from some unknown trauma to the back of her head behind Club Adventura and Billiards on Nolensville Road. According to Metro Nashville Police, the case is still open, though initially there were few witnesses and even fewer leads.

Ebony (Rodney) Whitaker, who was shot and killed just outside a Memphis daycare, is the third victim of a possible transgender hate crime in the Memphis area.

Michelle Byrne
Nashville, Tennessee
Tortured for several hours, beaten to death, and beheaded by Kenneth Poole and Ralph David Frantzreb

Michelle Hays (Joe Michael Hays)
Memphis, Tennessee
Shot in the chest

Rev. John "Gypsy" Prowett
Memphis, Tennessee
Shot to death

Ana Melisa Cortez
Nashville, Tennesse
Stabbed to death

Della Reese (Lester Childress)
Chattanooga, Tennessee
Multiple stab wounds

Tiffany Berry
Memphis, Tennessee
Shot 3 times

Here is a few more tid bits from TN

A Tennessee teen has taken his own life after being subjected to anti-gay bullying which, friends say, officials at his high school did little to prevent.
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23, 2013 - Tennessee business owner victim of savage anti-gay attack ... Two other attackers, wearing ski masks, joined in the beating, hurling homophobic abuse at the ... Paris police have contacted the FBI to help with the investigation ...
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The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation (TBI) released statistics on May 28 showing a massive spike in 2008 hate crimes in the Volunteer State, up 38% over 2007
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If Tennessee's controversial 'Don't Say Gay' bill passes through the state legislature, teachers will have to report any 'suspect' LGBT activities of a child to his or her parents.

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“Common sense prevails.”

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#18 Aug 13, 2014
Imprtnrd wrote:
There must be a sign when you enter that state that reads...... Tennessee The Backward State .
I lived a few miles out of Chatt Town several years ago. Many of our southern brothers and sisters have their own peculiar mindset. Backwards describes it to a T.

Not to worry, the Constitution and humane laws will prevail, they just have to have their fits first.

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#20 Aug 14, 2014
N8 the Grrr8

While I'm always interested to know what people think and why, your post is exquisite example why I'm frequently disappointed after finding out. Be assured...you and I will never "consensus-build," as you muse. Your erroneous idea of "consensus" is best defined as propagandized group-think. You are but one of many choosing to surrender all critical thinking and knowable truth at the crowded alter of "Group-Think," the only place collectivists feel safe. There is always safety in collectivism, as those incarcerated will never have to experience or defend the responsibility or power of individuality. Many young people have reduced themselves to mindless participants in a larger pack psychology where the "group" answers to scrutiny, never an individual. Gladly, this is impossible for men and women of any recognizable character or conviction. This is the reason you cannot accept truth on any strata of examination. You are just another underachiever content to frolic in shock-value and cartoon quality sound-bites. You've demonstrated these limitations through sophomoric impressions bordering on sub-juvenile interpretational skill. It's always easier for underachievers to find a collective "identity" in group mentality rather than being responsible for a genesis of personal development or significant learning prosperity thereafter. Your understanding of "concensus" is not only incorrect, it's amateurish to consider its mechanism a proper court within which to find congruity in supreme incongruence. In short, a small minority of rebellious individuals seek to bring change to Tennessee which the far majority of citizens find utterly repugnant.

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#21 Aug 14, 2014
THANKS TENNESSEE! Maybe it will safer for our kids to visit McDonalds in the future.

VIDEO: http://bit.ly/1mzaTVo

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lgbt is silly

Knoxville, TN

#22 Aug 14, 2014
ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
THANKS TENNESSEE! Maybe it will safer for our kids to visit McDonalds in the future.
VIDEO: http://bit.ly/1mzaTVo
That's hilarious! DRAG QUEEN RAMPAGE! But we must remember, we are supposed to pretend that gays are normal people.

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#23 Aug 14, 2014
ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
N8 the Grrr8
While I'm always interested to know what people think and why, your post is exquisite example why I'm frequently disappointed after finding out. Be assured...you and I will never "consensus-build," as you muse. Your erroneous idea of "consensus" is best defined as propagandized group-think. You are but one of many choosing to surrender all critical thinking and knowable truth at the crowded alter of "Group-Think," the only place collectivists feel safe. There is always safety in collectivism, as those incarcerated will never have to experience or defend the responsibility or power of individuality. Many young people have reduced themselves to mindless participants in a larger pack psychology where the "group" answers to scrutiny, never an individual. Gladly, this is impossible for men and women of any recognizable character or conviction. This is the reason you cannot accept truth on any strata of examination. You are just another underachiever content to frolic in shock-value and cartoon quality sound-bites. You've demonstrated these limitations through sophomoric impressions bordering on sub-juvenile interpretational skill. It's always easier for underachievers to find a collective "identity" in group mentality rather than being responsible for a genesis of personal development or significant learning prosperity thereafter. Your understanding of "concensus" is not only incorrect, it's amateurish to consider its mechanism a proper court within which to find congruity in supreme incongruence. In short, a small minority of rebellious individuals seek to bring change to Tennessee which the far majority of citizens find utterly repugnant.
Your post makes me wish ignorance were painful, then there would be a lot less of it.

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“Opposing Evil, Helping Good”

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#24 Aug 14, 2014
ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
... is best defined as propagandized group-think. You are but one of many choosing to surrender all critical thinking and knowable truth at the crowded alter of "Group-Think," the only place collectivists feel safe.
ROFLMMFAO!!! Friend, you are way, way, way off-base on that one!!!

I take it you haven't read ANY of my posts, whatsoever! I know that before I accused someone of something like that I would read the person's posts. It can be done with a simple websearch, such as this:

https://www.google.com/#q=%22n8+the+grrr8%22+...

Well, FYI, no, I am no such thing, I am EXTREMELY INDEPENDENT. I am the epitome of independent thinking. I LISTEN TO all sides, but I am the one who makes the final decision. If everyone else were going to jump off a bridge, I would say do what yall want, but count me out.

I preach it and I practice it. All one would need to do is view some of my posts on this website.

Where in this world did you get that from, anyway?

It's all good. It kinda goes with my mood, anyway, today, and yesterday, I've been getting trolled left, right, and center. Yesterday someone using a proxy (no location) bumped some thread (on another forum) I hadn't sean in months. Now that bozo on the "Bisexual Dating" thread (on this forum) is back, trying to troll me some more (although I have done told him I'm not replying anymore, and believe me, I mean what I say). Anyway, I dunno what's going on with all this stuff the past couple of days...

ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
You are just another underachiever content to frolic in shock-value and cartoon quality sound-bites.
You have got to be kidding! Where are you getting this stuff from? Do you realize how 180-wrong you are, on so many levels? I mean damn! Come on!

Either you don't know one thing about me, or else, whatever your on, pass me some! ;)

ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
In short, a small minority of rebellious individuals seek to bring change to Tennessee which the far majority of citizens find utterly repugnant.
Only partially-wrong, this time. Still more wrong then right, but at least partly right... Well, partially right in a way, I guess. But still pretty wrong.

Ok, for starters, that sounds EXACTLY like what was said about African Americans during the Civil Rights Era. Doesn't it?

"Oh, we'd get along just fine with our n.... if you Yankees and CoFo people would just leave us alone!"

Doesn't it? Am I exaggerating? Seriously! Read you're statement again (the part I quoted, in the quote above, just then), and tell me if that does not resemble that, very much. Or does it not?

I mean YES it's true, that you have people who don't want this, just like they had people who didn't want that, during the Civil Rights Era. Yes, some people are like that (that was what I meant by "part true")

But the amount of people who support LGBT Rights is numerous, and growing everyday, literally! More and more people are coming to that realization, constantly.

And YES that includes Tennessee. I know lots and lots and lots of people from that state. Gay, bi, and strait (Hey, I'm a poet and didn't know it, lol). Seriously, yes I know lots of people from TN, and... how do I say this? Yes, people like you describe do exist, however, plenty who are not like that, also.

And furthermore, taking it a level up from that: It doesn't mater how many people support it or not. Remember the link I posted above

http://www.topix.com/forum/health/smoking/TO5... This is the same link from above, about Strict Populism, and the 51% crapping on the 49%

Anyway I'm almost out off room. I hope this clears up some misconceptions. Especially the ones about me.

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