I wonder

Chatsworth, GA

#62 Dec 8, 2012
cupocopra wrote:
By the way look at the Jim Whitehead situation. They just let him go and told his it was unappealable. Why would a Deputy be any different.
NO,that wasn't the case with Jim.
Jim's job (title) was done away with.
There won't be anyone hired to replace him in that capacity.
Nor will anyone in the dept. be promoted into that job,
because the job no longer exists.
It's not like the chief deputy position will be done away with.
There will be someone that holds that title.
So the situations are nothing alike.
Timmy

Thomaston, GA

#63 Dec 9, 2012
Just Me wrote:
The Commissioner answers to the Governor. The position is equal primarily in power and in salary. So both Gary and Brittany will make 60-70 on paper but will only brng home 50 or so including benefits. Brttany should have campaigned for Howard and she would be making 100K or so!!
I hope to god we get another commissioner after this one. A lot of people are wishing the did not vote her in. Was a BAD BAD choice. And, I bet the holy roller goody two shoes are kicking themselves for giving money on the champain...... BAD BAD BAD choice.
Blueridge

Thomaston, GA

#64 Dec 9, 2012
cupocopra wrote:
By the way look at the Jim Whitehead situation. They just let him go and told his it was unappealable. Why would a Deputy be any different.
they just let him go.... There had to be more to that. No one with half a brain cell would believe that story.
ss people

Sevierville, TN

#65 Dec 9, 2012
george wrote:
<quoted text>Georgia law states that a new sheriff can demote or fire any employee's and they cannot do anything about it. He does not have to promote in the dept and sometimes Ensley did not promote in the department or promote based on seniority or even the best person for the job. Sitton was allowed to retire and that way he can keep his post and work for another dept.
you are totally clueless
ss people

Sevierville, TN

#66 Dec 9, 2012
Blueridge wrote:
<quoted text> they just let him go.... There had to be more to that. No one with half a brain cell would believe that story.
you can do away with the job but a new job with same duties being brought in the former would have a lawsuit
silverado

Dalton, GA

#67 Dec 9, 2012
You people in Murray county are so stupid.
Citizen

Ringgold, GA

#68 Dec 9, 2012
I voted for Gary, but if does like Ensley and starts hiring his relatives I'll be voting for someone else next election. Wives, brothers, sisters, sons and daughters etc, have no business working there especially in supervisory positions.
george

Ringgold, GA

#69 Dec 9, 2012
ss people wrote:
<quoted text>you can do away with the job but a new job with same duties being brought in the former would have a lawsuit
Read this, it is from a government website. The Sheriff is a constitutional officer deriving his or her powers from Georgia’s Constitution and common law. The Sheriff’s Office is not a department of county government, and the Sheriff is not subject to the county government; a fact often lost on county governments. The Sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer in the county. Sheriffs and their deputies have statewide jurisdiction.

The Sheriff is an elected position serving four year terms. Due to the elected nature of the office, the Sheriff’s Office is directly accountable to the people which it serves. Some offices are completely “at will” meaning that all employees serve completely at the discretion of the Sheriff. Others are set up so that the Sheriff appoints certain members within the organization. Either way, a new Sheriff coming into office is likely to lead to a transformation of the office; so, it is easy for the people to directly voice approval or disapproval with the service being provided by their Sheriff’s Office via the voting booth.
george

Ringgold, GA

#70 Dec 9, 2012
lawsuit wrote:
<quoted text>the sheriff Dept is under the county personnel policy learn the facts before you speak out of context
/read the facts this comes from a government website: Note that I wrote Office of Sheriff and not Department of Sheriff. The Sheriff is a constitutional officer deriving his or her powers from Georgia’s Constitution and common law. The Sheriff’s Office is not a department of county government, and the Sheriff is not subject to the county government; a fact often lost on county governments. The Sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer in the county. Sheriffs and their deputies have statewide jurisdiction.

The Sheriff is an elected position serving four year terms. Due to the elected nature of the office, the Sheriff’s Office is directly accountable to the people which it serves. Some offices are completely “at will” meaning that all employees serve completely at the discretion of the Sheriff. Others are set up so that the Sheriff appoints certain members within the organization. Either way, a new Sheriff coming into office is likely to lead to a transformation of the office; so, it is easy for the people to directly voice approval or disapproval with the service being provided by their Sheriff’s Office via the voting booth.
I wonder

Chatsworth, GA

#71 Dec 9, 2012
cupocopra wrote:
"By the way look at the Jim Whitehead situation. They just let him go and told his it was unappealable. Why would a Deputy be any different?"

This was my reply:
"Jim's job (title) was done away with.
There won't be anyone hired to replace him in that capacity.
Nor will anyone in the dept. be promoted into that job,
because the job no longer exists.
It's not like the chief deputy position will be done away with.
There will be someone that holds that title."

I guess what I'm trying to say/ask is if an individual is let go for no reason,job still exists and someone is
given that position would that not be grounds for wrongful termination??
I'm not saying going thru the Labor Board,
but wouldn't it be a reason to consult an attorney??
As in 'a wrongful termination suit'.
Maebelle

Chatsworth, GA

#72 Dec 9, 2012
Timmy wrote:
<quoted text> I hope to god we get another commissioner after this one. A lot of people are wishing the did not vote her in. Was a BAD BAD choice. And, I bet the holy roller goody two shoes are kicking themselves for giving money on the champain...... BAD BAD BAD choice.
What has changed? She has no power and has made no decisions. She is still just a private citizen. She would win again if the election was held today maybe get more votes after the way Hogan has acted by not helping with the transition.
justknowit

Chatsworth, GA

#73 Dec 9, 2012
george wrote:
<quoted text> Read this, it is from a government website. The Sheriff is a constitutional officer deriving his or her powers from Georgia’s Constitution and common law. The Sheriff’s Office is not a department of county government, and the Sheriff is not subject to the county government; a fact often lost on county governments. The Sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer in the county. Sheriffs and their deputies have statewide jurisdiction.
The Sheriff is an elected position serving four year terms. Due to the elected nature of the office, the Sheriff’s Office is directly accountable to the people which it serves. Some offices are completely “at will” meaning that all employees serve completely at the discretion of the Sheriff. Others are set up so that the Sheriff appoints certain members within the organization. Either way, a new Sheriff coming into office is likely to lead to a transformation of the office; so, it is easy for the people to directly voice approval or disapproval with the service being provided by their Sheriff’s Office via the voting booth.
Still wrong. The Sheriff does not have the power to tax and without taxing authority the Sheriff is at the mercy of the County Commissioner therefore the County Commissioner has authority over the Sheriff.
Without approval of the Commissioner the Sheriff is powerless to generate revenue except through fines which are strickly controlled.
Taxing authority is the Supreme authority in the County. The BOE and the Commissioner are the only entities with the power to Set tax rates and collect taxes.Without the authority to tax, any office is powerless in front of the Commissioner. The Commissioner also approves the Sheriff's budget and every departments budget and can regulate the Department through the budget process if they so wish.
Where did anyone get the idea tha the Sheriff's Dept. answers to no one. Why isn't the jail open? Because the Commissioner will not levy enough taxes to pay for it. Why doesn't the Sheriff just open it if they are so independent?
RESIDENT

United States

#74 Dec 9, 2012
lawsuit wrote:
<quoted text>the sheriff Dept is under the county personnel policy learn the facts before you speak out of context
Obviously it is not. If you read the county personnel policy book regarding NEPOTISM you will read that a DAUGHTER can not work under her FATHER ...and yet Ensley's daughter was hired while he was sheriff..promoted and works under him. He and the dept do not follow the county personnel policies.
RESIDENT

United States

#75 Dec 9, 2012
Timmy wrote:
<quoted text> I hope to god we get another commissioner after this one. A lot of people are wishing the did not vote her in. Was a BAD BAD choice. And, I bet the holy roller goody two shoes are kicking themselves for giving money on the champain...... BAD BAD BAD choice.
Why do you say this ? She is not in office yet and has not made any changes.
george

Ringgold, GA

#76 Dec 9, 2012
justknowit wrote:
<quoted text>
Still wrong. The Sheriff does not have the power to tax and without taxing authority the Sheriff is at the mercy of the County Commissioner therefore the County Commissioner has authority over the Sheriff.
Without approval of the Commissioner the Sheriff is powerless to generate revenue except through fines which are strickly controlled.
Taxing authority is the Supreme authority in the County. The BOE and the Commissioner are the only entities with the power to Set tax rates and collect taxes.Without the authority to tax, any office is powerless in front of the Commissioner. The Commissioner also approves the Sheriff's budget and every departments budget and can regulate the Department through the budget process if they so wish.
Where did anyone get the idea tha the Sheriff's Dept. answers to no one. Why isn't the jail open? Because the Commissioner will not levy enough taxes to pay for it. Why doesn't the Sheriff just open it if they are so independent?
I never talked about taxes on this forum and the forum never discussed taxes. The statements made were that he could not replace people without causing a lawsuit. They were wrong, that is why I placed a copy of what the sheriff can do. You will notice he can replace people or demote because most are at will positions and the county cannot stop him. The sheriff decides what the salaries are for personnel and some people at the sheriff's office got pay raises when the rest of the county employee's did not. The jail could have been opened by Ensley because it has been done in other counties and other states. A case in Ohio was similar to our problem of a new jail not open. The sheriff went to court and the judge told the County that they had to open the jail and they would have to find the money. The sheriff has complete rule over his department. The only thing the county does is level taxes that the sheriff's dept uses the tax money to support the department. The county cuts the payroll checks with the permission of the sheriff. We had an issue of back pay being owed to sheriff's dept. swing shift employee's and the only one who could authorize payment was the sheriff. I went to a seminar put on by a sheriff who wrote a book about the duties. I read the book and then I checked the law. The sheriff controls his dept. and the county commissioner cannot dictate policy to him. You only have to look at a county sheriff in south Atlanta who has been indicted for crimes and the county has no power to remove him. It becomes a state and sometimes a federal issue. People need to read what this forum was about and also do your homework on the law, I did.
I wonder

Chatsworth, GA

#77 Dec 10, 2012
george wrote:
<quoted text> I never talked about taxes on this forum and the forum never discussed taxes. The statements made were that he could not replace people without causing a lawsuit. They were wrong, that is why I placed a copy of what the sheriff can do. You will notice he can replace people or demote because most are at will positions and the county cannot stop him. The sheriff decides what the salaries are for personnel and some people at the sheriff's office got pay raises when the rest of the county employee's did not. The jail could have been opened by Ensley because it has been done in other counties and other states. A case in Ohio was similar to our problem of a new jail not open. The sheriff went to court and the judge told the County that they had to open the jail and they would have to find the money. The sheriff has complete rule over his department. The only thing the county does is level taxes that the sheriff's dept uses the tax money to support the department. The county cuts the payroll checks with the permission of the sheriff. We had an issue of back pay being owed to sheriff's dept. swing shift employee's and the only one who could authorize payment was the sheriff. I went to a seminar put on by a sheriff who wrote a book about the duties. I read the book and then I checked the law. The sheriff controls his dept. and the county commissioner cannot dictate policy to him. You only have to look at a county sheriff in south Atlanta who has been indicted for crimes and the county has no power to remove him. It becomes a state and sometimes a federal issue. People need to read what this forum was about and also do your homework on the law, I did.
Well,george,I've asked for the name of the site to find this info for myself because I'd like to see it in black and white somewhere besides on topix.com .I think others would too.
But we're (I'm) still wondering the name of the site you refer to.
Would you share it with us????
ss people

Sevierville, TN

#78 Dec 10, 2012
george wrote:
<quoted text> /read the facts this comes from a government website: Note that I wrote Office of Sheriff and not Department of Sheriff. The Sheriff is a constitutional officer deriving his or her powers from Georgia’s Constitution and common law. The Sheriff’s Office is not a department of county government, and the Sheriff is not subject to the county government; a fact often lost on county governments. The Sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer in the county. Sheriffs and their deputies have statewide jurisdiction.
The Sheriff is an elected position serving four year terms. Due to the elected nature of the office, the Sheriff’s Office is directly accountable to the people which it serves. Some offices are completely “at will” meaning that all employees serve completely at the discretion of the Sheriff. Others are set up so that the Sheriff appoints certain members within the organization. Either way, a new Sheriff coming into office is likely to lead to a transformation of the office; so, it is easy for the people to directly voice approval or disapproval with the service being provided by their Sheriff’s Office via the voting booth.
get real what office pays the sheriff salary this Dept is the same as all other depts some elected some not he is still a county employee
ss people

Sevierville, TN

#79 Dec 10, 2012
I wonder wrote:
cupocopra wrote:
"By the way look at the Jim Whitehead situation. They just let him go and told his it was unappealable. Why would a Deputy be any different?"
This was my reply:
"Jim's job (title) was done away with.
There won't be anyone hired to replace him in that capacity.
Nor will anyone in the dept. be promoted into that job,
because the job no longer exists.
It's not like the chief deputy position will be done away with.
There will be someone that holds that title."
I guess what I'm trying to say/ask is if an individual is let go for no reason,job still exists and someone is
given that position would that not be grounds for wrongful termination??
I'm not saying going thru the Labor Board,
but wouldn't it be a reason to consult an attorney??
As in 'a wrongful termination suit'.
lawsuit coming just saying
ss people

Sevierville, TN

#80 Dec 10, 2012
george wrote:
<quoted text> /read the facts this comes from a government website: Note that I wrote Office of Sheriff and not Department of Sheriff. The Sheriff is a constitutional officer deriving his or her powers from Georgia’s Constitution and common law. The Sheriff’s Office is not a department of county government, and the Sheriff is not subject to the county government; a fact often lost on county governments. The Sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer in the county. Sheriffs and their deputies have statewide jurisdiction.
The Sheriff is an elected position serving four year terms. Due to the elected nature of the office, the Sheriff’s Office is directly accountable to the people which it serves. Some offices are completely “at will” meaning that all employees serve completely at the discretion of the Sheriff. Others are set up so that the Sheriff appoints certain members within the organization. Either way, a new Sheriff coming into office is likely to lead to a transformation of the office; so, it is easy for the people to directly voice approval or disapproval with the service being provided by their Sheriff’s Office via the voting booth.
he is just a county employee working for the taxpayers in this senior citizen mayberry town
ss people

Sevierville, TN

#81 Dec 10, 2012
justknowit wrote:
<quoted text>
Still wrong. The Sheriff does not have the power to tax and without taxing authority the Sheriff is at the mercy of the County Commissioner therefore the County Commissioner has authority over the Sheriff.
Without approval of the Commissioner the Sheriff is powerless to generate revenue except through fines which are strickly controlled.
Taxing authority is the Supreme authority in the County. The BOE and the Commissioner are the only entities with the power to Set tax rates and collect taxes.Without the authority to tax, any office is powerless in front of the Commissioner. The Commissioner also approves the Sheriff's budget and every departments budget and can regulate the Department through the budget process if they so wish.
Where did anyone get the idea tha the Sheriff's Dept. answers to no one. Why isn't the jail open? Because the Commissioner will not levy enough taxes to pay for it. Why doesn't the Sheriff just open it if they are so independent?
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