The Manson murders - 40 years later

The Manson murders - 40 years later

There are 132 comments on the LA Daily News story from Aug 8, 2009, titled The Manson murders - 40 years later. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

Forty years ago on Aug. 8, from his ranch in the San Fernando Valley, Charles Manson dispatched a band of devoted fanatics on a high-profile killing spree that shocked the world and terrified Angelenos, who never left their doors and windows unlocked again.

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“United We Stand”

Since: May 09

Los Angeles

#132 Mar 26, 2010
Sam wrote:
Wondered about that. There are so many twists and turns in that case that it makes your head spin. Manson was a poor man with a long petty crime record. He had no influential family. Those around him, with the possible exception of Sadie, came from affluence, or were in prominent positions. Who would most likely be blamed and easiest to prosecute? It is done frequently. Bugliosi even said he killed no one. But the question is did he really order the killings?
Charles P was an apparent witness to the conversation between Polanski and Manson when he was a child. This, plus massive research leads me to question the offical version.
If there is more truth, it needs to be told. If Charlie is a stand-in, is it by choice or coersion? It also makes little sense that Polanski would flee when, at the time, he would've done little jail time. Just more than meets the eye here.
What extensive research have you done on this case? I'm just curious because on the web I can find nothing contradicting the version of this story that most know and accept.

Please provide a link or two -- as I'm unable to find any information implying that Polanski was ever a suspect in Sharon Tate's death.
Sam

Buford, GA

#133 Mar 30, 2010
ILuvLA wrote:
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What extensive research have you done on this case? I'm just curious because on the web I can find nothing contradicting the version of this story that most know and accept.
Please provide a link or two -- as I'm unable to find any information implying that Polanski was ever a suspect in Sharon Tate's death.
There are many books written on the Tate-Labianca murders. Do not have my list with me at present, but many should be found in the library or on inter-library loan. Read official tatelabianca message boards and tatelabianca site. One of them has documentation and official reports. You may also want to read about the Beach Boys, and read about the music industry of that time. Read into the background of all the players. I am presently researching WWII, the rat line, and how all of that had an influence in CA.

My readings have taken over two years so far (I do have many other things to do)and it started out as a kind of joke. The more I read, the more fascinated I became, for something just did not ring true.

If you are referring to the "Helter Skelter" story, there are contradictions on the web, but it seems to take a while to decipher a lot of it. I must say that the book still scares me greatly. You should be able to find Paul Watkin's book posted online, and you can certainly find a lot of Susan Atkins info online. However, I would try to find a list of books written from that time and read the police reports. You can also read court testimony online. William Garretson's is the most interesting. His lie detector test is an interesting read. I find him the most puzzling person in this tragedy.

I cannot give one specific link for you as I never took notes. I wish now I had, but little did I know I would still be reading about this case. Good luck. Oh, as for Manson himself, there is a lot of video online of news shows, parole board hearings, and phone conversations. If you listen closely, you just may hear some slip-ups in his diatribes.
Sad Good-Bye

Ponchatoula, LA

#134 Apr 9, 2010
40 years later, the memory of this nightmare is as alive today as it was then. Maybe less shock, but just as much sadness. So we have learned that murderers kill our loved ones for kicks, and our loved ones are never seen again. Yet we spend millions on the murderers who crucified them and their unborn children, as if keeping them alive is the most important thing in the world. God help us!
Forrest Gump

Irvine, CA

#135 Apr 9, 2010
I wonder how many millions of dollars Manson has cost California taxpayers to date. All that government waste when a simple fifty cent round would have sufficed.
charlie rules

Cincinnati, OH

#136 May 26, 2010
charlie is god!
bow down to charlie!
Beverly Hills native

Woodland Hills, CA

#137 May 27, 2010
M Shannon wrote:
<quoted text>True! Had some of them been armed, there could have been a whole different outcome. But back in the 60's, even in Beverly Hills, few residence kept firearms in their homes, after the Manson murders, that all changed. Almost instantly people bought guns, guard dogs, and, alarm systems sprung up everywhere. This was especially true of the Hollywood set, and things have not changed since.
I don't know anyone in Beverly Hills who owns a gun.

“United We Stand”

Since: May 09

Los Angeles

#138 May 28, 2010
Beverly Hills native wrote:
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I don't know anyone in Beverly Hills who owns a gun.
Really?
free Charlie

Newark, OH

#139 Aug 10, 2010
Free Charlie and all his disciples so they can return to the desert.
CharlesP

Lawrenceville, GA

#140 Aug 10, 2010
Jay wrote:
Why hasn't this guy been executed yet??? We, taxpayers, have been paying with our tax money to keep this scum*** alive for 40 years. Is this gonna go on and on until he becomes senile and dies of natural causes????
Same goes with Sirhan Sirhan.
It was ROMAN POLANSKI who ARRANGED TO HAVE MANSON KILL HIS WIFE AND THE OTHERS. I was a small kid, and I WITNESSED THE WHOLE CONVERSATION! No one cared what a kidd says, so no one tried to stop it!!
Manson wanted to murder them that very night, but Polanski told manson to wait until he could go to Europe, so that HE (Polanski) would NOT BE A SUSPECT! This made Manson VERY ANGRY AND HE THREATENED POLANSKI!
Manson said "I do NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO! I DO WHATEVER I WANT TO DO!"
Polanski almost wet his pants, from the mean way Manson spoke and looked while saying this!
When Manson was caught, he wanted to "roll over" on Polanski, and this was covered-up (not very well-I saw it on the television).
THey (movie studios/local government) promised Manson that HE WOULD NOT GET THE DEATH PENALTY, if he took the blame and never mentioned Polanski again! Manson was promised to be allowed to be famous for being the "worst person in the world". Otherwise, if he refused, Manson would be killed in jail before even getting to trial!!!! This is the REAL REASON THAT THE CALIFORNIA COURTS SWITCHED THEIR DECISIONS ON THE DEATH PENALTY SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES- TO KEEP THEIR DEAL WITH POLANSKI!(FAKE TRIALS, for the public who are stupid and do NOT PAY ATTENTION!)
Vincent Bugliosi was given a book/movie deal to do a fake trial on MANSON!
(When OJ Simpson was tried, that woman prosecutor -Marcia Clark- bragged publicly that "of course we can do a fake trial. I was part of the Manson trial. IT WAS EASY!!!")
In 1977, Polanski went to trial in the chiild molestation case because he thought he would have a corrupt judge, who would legalize sex between adults/children. Polanski KNEW this would make him a GOD in HOllywood, and take power away from Jack NIcholson, who was FAMOUS FOR PROVIDING CHILDREN TO STUDIO EXECUTIVES FOR SEXUAL PURPOSES (at parties in his house), in exchange for acting jobs!!
Judge Rittenband was HONEST, and REFUSED TO HELP POLANSKI TO LEGALIZE THIS CHILD MOLESTATION. This is when Polanski decided to wait until the judge was dead and then destroy the judges reputation, when the judge was no longer able to defend himself!
Hollywood ALL WENT ALONG WITH THE PLAN, and in 1977-78, they decided to do as Polanski asked and have some one make a FAKE documentary, so Polanski could have fake evidence created without having to pay people to do this. Polanski was to return to the USA as a hero and then AMerica was supposed to be stupid enough to start molesting all the kids in the USA!
What they did not plan on was the catholic church being exposed as having molested kids for 70-80 years, and other sick abuse/molestation related atrocities turning the average American AGAINST CHILD MOLESTATION!
Note: I provided evidence to Judge rittenband (1977), using "friend of the court" status, which kept the judge informed on Polanskis repeated scams. Bragging that he had manson kill his wife. Admitting that he planned to kill more celebrities in the future. Bragging that he had bribed the doctors to let him out in less than half the time, at the prison hospital where he was supposed to have a 90 day evaluation, during the 1977 trial.(Polanski did this was to make it appear that all the judges decisions were too harsh)!
Polanski, and MOST OF HOLLYWOOD, are SOCIOPATHES AND DREAM OF A LIFE OF UNLIMITTED DRUGS, BOOZE, KILLINGS AND SEX-OF ANY TYPE!!!
Nobody

Gardena, CA

#141 Aug 11, 2010
The Man was institutionalized, what else did he know other then Prison. All he really wanted is to go home, to a home he was familiar with. When he was released from Prison he was in a world that he was unfamiliar with. He acted just like any wild animal that feels threatened.

You think he would be any different if he was released today? Do you think his motive would be any different? He did what he did their is no denying that he will pay for what he did, one way or another. The question on everyones mind it seems would be something like "why should we have to Pay"? Was it our fault he turned out like he did?
Free Charlie

Newark, OH

#142 Aug 12, 2010
CharlesP wrote:
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It was ROMAN POLANSKI who ARRANGED TO HAVE MANSON KILL HIS WIFE AND THE OTHERS. I was a small kid, and I WITNESSED THE WHOLE CONVERSATION! No one cared what a kidd says, so no one tried to stop it!!
Manson wanted to murder them that very night, but Polanski told manson to wait until he could go to Europe, so that HE (Polanski) would NOT BE A SUSPECT! This made Manson VERY ANGRY AND HE THREATENED POLANSKI!
Manson said "I do NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO! I DO WHATEVER I WANT TO DO!"
Polanski almost wet his pants, from the mean way Manson spoke and looked while saying this!
When Manson was caught, he wanted to "roll over" on Polanski, and this was covered-up (not very well-I saw it on the television).
THey (movie studios/local government) promised Manson that HE WOULD NOT GET THE DEATH PENALTY, if he took the blame and never mentioned Polanski again! Manson was promised to be allowed to be famous for being the "worst person in the world". Otherwise, if he refused, Manson would be killed in jail before even getting to trial!!!! This is the REAL REASON THAT THE CALIFORNIA COURTS SWITCHED THEIR DECISIONS ON THE DEATH PENALTY SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES- TO KEEP THEIR DEAL WITH POLANSKI!(FAKE TRIALS, for the public who are stupid and do NOT PAY ATTENTION!)
Vincent Bugliosi was given a book/movie deal to do a fake trial on MANSON!
(When OJ Simpson was tried, that woman prosecutor -Marcia Clark- bragged publicly that "of course we can do a fake trial. I was part of the Manson trial. IT WAS EASY!!!")
In 1977, Polanski went to trial in the chiild molestation case because he thought he would have a corrupt judge, who would legalize sex between adults/children. Polanski KNEW this would make him a GOD in HOllywood, and take power away from Jack NIcholson, who was FAMOUS FOR PROVIDING CHILDREN TO STUDIO EXECUTIVES FOR SEXUAL PURPOSES (at parties in his house), in exchange for acting jobs!!
Judge Rittenband was HONEST, and REFUSED TO HELP POLANSKI TO LEGALIZE THIS CHILD MOLESTATION. This is when Polanski decided to wait until the judge was dead and then destroy the judges reputation, when the judge was no longer able to defend himself!
Hollywood ALL WENT ALONG WITH THE PLAN, and in 1977-78, they decided to do as Polanski asked and have some one make a FAKE documentary, so Polanski could have fake evidence created without having to pay people to do this. Polanski was to return to the USA as a hero and then AMerica was supposed to be stupid enough to start molesting all the kids in the USA!
What they did not plan on was the catholic church being exposed as having molested kids for 70-80 years, and other sick abuse/molestation related atrocities turning the average American AGAINST CHILD MOLESTATION!
Note: I provided evidence to Judge rittenband (1977), using "friend of the court" status, which kept the judge informed on Polanskis repeated scams. Bragging that he had manson kill his wife. Admitting that he planned to kill more celebrities in the future. Bragging that he had bribed the doctors to let him out in less than half the time, at the prison hospital where he was supposed to have a 90 day evaluation, during the 1977 trial.(Polanski did this was to make it appear that all the judges decisions were too harsh)!
Polanski, and MOST OF HOLLYWOOD, are SOCIOPATHES AND DREAM OF A LIFE OF UNLIMITTED DRUGS, BOOZE, KILLINGS AND SEX-OF ANY TYPE!!!
are you off your'e meds?
X head

Delaware, OH

#143 Dec 20, 2010
All Charlie did was off some pigs.It was the sixties, give him a break.

FREE CHARLIE!!!!!!!!!!

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