Construction rolling along on Orange ...

Construction rolling along on Orange Line extension

There are 78 comments on the LA Daily News story from Aug 2, 2010, titled Construction rolling along on Orange Line extension. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

Train rails along an old wooden bridge crossing the L.A. River are on the route for the Orange Line extension, Wednesday, July 21, 2010.

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#1 Aug 2, 2010
Wow the state is suffering so much from the recession yet they blow money on this. We have a lot of rail systems here in Los Angeles, why do we need more.
SlimJD

Somis, CA

#2 Aug 2, 2010
guest wrote:
Wow the state is suffering so much from the recession yet they blow money on this. We have a lot of rail systems here in Los Angeles, why do we need more.
Guest, you read it wrong... this isn't a new rail system, this is building a bus-only lane over the path of an existing, defunct rail line. This route is already served by MTA buses, but they currently run on city streets, all this project does is take the buses of the streets, and make traffic wait while they cruise by in their own lane. Isn't that worth nearly a quarter of a billion dollars to you?

But your point is well taken, This boondoggle is a $216,000,000.00 FOUR-MILE bus route! Heck, that's only $54 million per mile... Only $43,200 per rider (projected). At the MTA's current $1.50 fare, this line will pay for itself in just under 80 years... assuming that the buses, their maintenance, and fuel are all donated free of charge, and the drivers, supervisors, and administrators all donate their time. The truth is, this money will NEVER be recovered.

Someone, please tell me this is just a sick, freaking, joke@! BTW, Residents of L.A. County: THIS is why your sales tax rate is 1.5% higher than mine! You should be outraged!But wait... YOU voted for it, so I guess this is just what you want. Nice job, morons.
emm

Los Angeles, CA

#3 Aug 2, 2010
what a piece of sh*t!
hahaha .
ficcat

Guatemala City, Guatemala

#5 Aug 3, 2010
guest wrote:
Wow the state is suffering so much from the recession yet they blow money on this. We have a lot of rail systems here in Los Angeles, why do we need more.
The Orange Line is NOT a rail line. It uses articulated busses on its own right of way.
JRider

Chatsworth, CA

#6 Aug 3, 2010
Greasy Tony Villar wrote:
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I personally never voted for sales tax increases. I do not exactly remember there ever going a vote on something like that. 9.75%...20.75% its all the same as its driven people go shopping in places like Camarillo,CA...9.75% sales tax in an outrage. I could do business with a company right down the street from my house but instead purchase out of state from a company that offers free shipping. The Orange line is a huge waste of time and money.$50,000,000 A MILE ??...That's as insane as a $800,000 annual salary. Only in CA can you find this abuse.
I don't know how you could have missed it. Measure R was on the ballot in November 2008 and it got the necessary 2/3 voter majority to pass. It was a very big deal.

At the time, the sales tax in LA County was 8.25%. Measure R passed, adding 0.5% to that. Unfortunately, the state, being in the mess it is in, also decided to raise the sales tax 1% in April 2009. Hence the current 9.25% sales tax rate.

Make no mistake; we in LA County are extremely lucky Measure R passed. The state clearly can't be counted on to fund transportation projects. Counties now know they must raise money themselves. Counties with no county transportation sales tax (e.g. Ventura) or with a weak funding tax for transit (e.g. Orange) have been making extremely deep cuts into their rail and bus service, hurting everyone and worsening their economies.

Thanks to Measure R, we in LA County are creating our own economic recovery and mobility for the future with several projects that previously had NO funding available:

-Canoga Orange Line Extension
-I-405 Sepulveda Pass Transit Corridor
-Westside Subway Extension
-Downtown Regional Connector
-Green Line to LAX

And the list goes on...
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#7 Aug 3, 2010
What a waste of $216 million dollars.

This is only a downpayment anyway, once it's built it will require yearly tax subsitizies so that the poor people it attracts to that area can afford to rid on it.

Taxpayers loose three times, once when they build something that most of them will never use, again when their taxes go up so that they can subsidize it's operating budget so that people will ride it, and again as their taxes go up to help support all the poor people it attracts to that area.
Do you Question Me

Van Nuys, CA

#8 Aug 3, 2010
Zev can do one thing and STFU.
Stop gridlock

San Diego, CA

#9 Aug 3, 2010
How short sighted my fellow posters are...let's put our head in the sand and let our streets become completely gridlocked!! great idea. Let's give all of our hard earned money to the oil companies. Mobility is key for a region to succeed and getting people out of their cars onto transit is the way we have to do it. The orange line should have been planned as a rail. However, the busway is a great start. We are going back to the future when people of all incomes took transit. We subsidize cars and sprawl...oh and by the way i'm a conservative for mass transit and walkable, livable communities. You will be thankful there is an alternate in a few years when gas is up to $5.00 a gallon.
Johnd

Torrance, CA

#10 Aug 3, 2010
Widening Canoga Ave along with this project would have been a good idea too, but then again - it's a good idea...
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#11 Aug 3, 2010
Stop gridlock wrote:
How short sighted my fellow posters are...let's put our head in the sand and let our streets become completely gridlocked!! great idea. Let's give all of our hard earned money to the oil companies. Mobility is key for a region to succeed and getting people out of their cars onto transit is the way we have to do it. The orange line should have been planned as a rail. However, the busway is a great start. We are going back to the future when people of all incomes took transit. We subsidize cars and sprawl...oh and by the way i'm a conservative for mass transit and walkable, livable communities. You will be thankful there is an alternate in a few years when gas is up to $5.00 a gallon.


I think you're the one with limited sight, you may not have noticed but this tiny little Orange Line extension isn't any where near you in San Diego, it's in the West end of the San Fernando Valley, North of LA, and in a place that doesn't ever get gridlock and probably never will because it's not a main cooridor.

It won't take traffic off our conjested freeways, it doesn't run parallel to any of them, but it may make it easier for people who are too poor to own a car to get to the very affluent shopping center it goes by. I suppose some janitors and dish washers might use it to get to work, but they don't drive now so that won't help traffic much.

Before you speak perhaps you should visit the community.
JRider

Chatsworth, CA

#12 Aug 3, 2010
Anamouse wrote:
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I think you're the one with limited sight, you may not have noticed but this tiny little Orange Line extension isn't any where near you in San Diego, it's in the West end of the San Fernando Valley, North of LA, and in a place that doesn't ever get gridlock and probably never will because it's not a main cooridor.
It won't take traffic off our conjested freeways, it doesn't run parallel to any of them, but it may make it easier for people who are too poor to own a car to get to the very affluent shopping center it goes by. I suppose some janitors and dish washers might use it to get to work, but they don't drive now so that won't help traffic much.
Before you speak perhaps you should visit the community.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say... There is plenty of traffic in the West Valley. Ever notice the Westfield Topanga and Westfield Promenade malls? Just this past Wednesday, Westfield held a community meeting regarding the construction of their third mall in the area. Furthermore, ever notice the office towers in the Warner Center area?

The Orange Line extension fills a critical gap between the West Valley's heart of commerce in Warner Center and the West Valley's heart of transportation at the Chatsworth Transportation Center (not to mention that the project will allow cross-platform connectivity between the Orange Line and Amtrak/Metrolink.)
Rich

Overland Park, KS

#13 Aug 3, 2010
Anamouse wrote:
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I think you're the one with limited sight, you may not have noticed but this tiny little Orange Line extension isn't any where near you in San Diego, it's in the West end of the San Fernando Valley, North of LA, and in a place that doesn't ever get gridlock and probably never will because it's not a main cooridor.
It won't take traffic off our conjested freeways, it doesn't run parallel to any of them, but it may make it easier for people who are too poor to own a car to get to the very affluent shopping center it goes by. I suppose some janitors and dish washers might use it to get to work, but they don't drive now so that won't help traffic much.
Before you speak perhaps you should visit the community.
Says the one in Redondo Beach? I grew up in the Valley and have family there. West Valley, especially Topanga and Canoga, are absolutely gridlocked on weekdays.

This should have been light rail rather than a busway, but the Valley voters decided not to allow any at-grade rail and it's definitely not high traffic enough for subway. Oh well.
Herb

Northridge, CA

#14 Aug 3, 2010
Just for everyone's information from this rail and history buff: The tracks in the picture are part of the Southern Pacific's Burbank Branch. They, or rather it, is among the oldest man-made objects in the Valley, having been built in the 1880s. As a child in the mid-sixties, I used to "railfan" the one slow freight train that used the branch per day (there may have been a second train late at night--I sometimes heard the horns.) Most of the train's cargo was lumber for the lumber yards which had sidings along the branch. As recently as the early nineties the SP was running local freight on the branch. However, the SP was not maintaining it physically. The date nails in the ties and the dates stamped on the rail webs show the branch's heyday was from the 1920s to the 1940s.

Since: Oct 08

West Hills, CA

#15 Aug 3, 2010
One clarification, the buildings being torn may be vacant now, but they weren't 6 months ago.

Also I laugh at the idea of using the term "Expedited" to refer to the busway, that thing has a dedicated right of way but still travels so slow I can drive to North Hollywood faster during rush hour.
Crystal

United States

#16 Aug 3, 2010
Hey Herb, thanks for the info! I saw the photo and was wondering about those tracks and how old they were. So that line went from Burbank to Chatsworth? Despite what our elected officials think, many people find rail history interesting and worth preserving.

So they are just going to rip those out?! That's sad...more of our history destroyed. What an awful shame. Couldn't they/shouldn't they just fix 'em up somehow and use them again? Wishful thinking, I know. I hope someone took more photos of these tracks.

I would have MUCH rather seen a new rain line run through there than an ugly bus way. Trains are generally safer and cleaner, too. I know, I know, asking these people to use logic when they build stuff is asking way too much.*sigh*
Crystal

United States

#17 Aug 3, 2010
And I welcome the Orange Line extension. Now instead of using the 118 and the 405, one can just take one bus all the way to No Ho if need be. What a relief!!! or take Metrolink from Ventura County and then just hop on the Orange Line to Warner Center.

It will be safer and faster than all other buses, and it will clean up GOD-AWFUL Canoga ave. That ugly pit has been a reason to avoid that neighborhood for years now. It currently serves as a magnet for day laborers and other unsavory types. It's very dangerous and depressing for those who work there.

A cleaner, safer Canoga ave is truly a blessing for those who work there and drive through.
Los Angeles

Corona Del Mar, CA

#18 Aug 3, 2010
I'm not a big fan since low density and a good road system is the most efficient way to move people.

But, at least at the end of this government spending, we have something. A long road.

Contrast that to govt spending on things like gang intervention programs. At the end of the day, you have nothing.
Anamouse

El Segundo, CA

#19 Aug 3, 2010
Rich wrote:
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Says the one in Redondo Beach? I grew up in the Valley and have family there. West Valley, especially Topanga and Canoga, are absolutely gridlocked on weekdays.
This should have been light rail rather than a busway, but the Valley voters decided not to allow any at-grade rail and it's definitely not high traffic enough for subway. Oh well.
No, gridlock is where no movement is possible because all avenues of escape are blocked and that rarely happens.

Several parts of LA where you can walk faster than you can drive fairly regularly for several hours every day, are far worse than it is in Canoga Park, and that's not gridlock either.

When the 405 goes into gridlock cars overheat and you can see people running into bushes on the side of the freeway. Oh and when they get back to their car they still don't have anywhere to go.

It's not the same as stop and go traffic in the Valley that only lasts about an hour.

There are few people who will be able to beat their current commute times by leaving their car at home and using the new Orange Line extensions, even during rush hour.

Most of the riders will be people who for one reason or another can't drive, and most because they don't own a car.

I guess it's nice to give them cheap a way to get from one place to another without a car, but lets not pretend most of them would have driven their cars if they couldn't ride public transportation, or pretend that every rider doesn't cost taxpayers money.

Most don't have a car to drive, and none pay the full cost it takes to provide them with that ride.
Ahhnold Swarzenmoron

Bay City, MI

#20 Aug 3, 2010
I dont care about the economy! I want more rail systems and less money for Cali!! Hasta la vista baby!!!

Since: Oct 08

West Hills, CA

#21 Aug 3, 2010
Anamouse wrote:
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There are few people who will be able to beat their current commute times by leaving their car at home and using the new Orange Line extensions, even during rush hour.
I worked in downtown L.A. when the Orange Line first opened up, despite the fact that I live less than 2 miles from the Orange Line with a bus stop directly in front of my house that takes me directly there it still took considerably more time to take the Bus + the Orange Line + the Red Line to get to work than if I drove.

When I worked downtown I tried them all, Orange Line, Metro Rapid, Commuter Express, all were much slower than driving, buses are a joke until we get light rail we won't be able to escape our cars.

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