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The Seven Spirits of God

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Aug 11, 2013
 
Did Paul murder the sons of God?

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Did Paul claim to be a lair?

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for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
For I will show him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Where in all of this did Jesus say anything about being an apostle?

All I read that Jesus chose Paul for was to cause him to suffer

You know...instead of killing and persecuting the sons of God..he was going to have take his own medicine. Instead of him being the hunter he was now going to be the hunted.

The shoe was now going to be on the other foot.
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Good points. Ever read about Balaam? Paul appears to be the Balaam Jesus warned about.

Paul said angels gave the law to Moses - not God.

If that isn't ample proof that Paul was a false prophet, I can't think of another point so starkly given that so opposed Scripture and the point of the authority of doing the will and commandment of God. In fact, Paul concludes the directions God gave to man are death and a curse to mankind and Christians who obeyed his gospel.

Trouble is that even Jesus said 'the word' was from God - not angels. Jesus said to not even think He came to destroy, loosen or set aside the commandments of God. Paul said He nailed it to His cross. Jesus said we must repent to do the will of God. Paul said we are to live by the Spirit without the Word, and that all things are lawful, so long as we can do them with a good conscience. God said the Spirit was sent to write His Torah on our hearts that we would be drawn from our heart carefully and diligently keep His words. Paul says we are to live by the 'Spirit' quite apart from thinking to do Torah from the heart - how can we know what is of God and what is not if we toss out the tests God gave to know who speaks for Him?

Paul has no place being accounted to for any Scripture by anyone who believes God or His Son or the true Apostles and Prophets of God.

Paul is the original situational ethics author, which has no part in God.

If the whole duty of man is to believe God and the messengers He sent - Paul must be repented of.
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Good points. Ever read about Balaam? Paul appears to be the Balaam Jesus warned about.
Paul said angels gave the law to Moses - not God.
If that isn't ample proof that Paul was a false prophet, I can't think of another point so starkly given that so opposed Scripture and the point of the authority of doing the will and commandment of God. In fact, Paul concludes the directions God gave to man are death and a curse to mankind and Christians who obeyed his gospel.
Trouble is that even Jesus said 'the word' was from God - not angels. Jesus said to not even think He came to destroy, loosen or set aside the commandments of God. Paul said He nailed it to His cross. Jesus said we must repent to do the will of God. Paul said we are to live by the Spirit without the Word, and that all things are lawful, so long as we can do them with a good conscience. God said the Spirit was sent to write His Torah on our hearts that we would be drawn from our heart carefully and diligently keep His words. Paul says we are to live by the 'Spirit' quite apart from thinking to do Torah from the heart - how can we know what is of God and what is not if we toss out the tests God gave to know who speaks for Him?
Paul has no place being accounted to for any Scripture by anyone who believes God or His Son or the true Apostles and Prophets of God.
Paul is the original situational ethics author, which has no part in God.
If the whole duty of man is to believe God and the messengers He sent - Paul must be repented of.
A lot of things Paul wrote are true. A lot of things Paul wrote are false.

Most people adhere to the things that Paul wrote that are false and do not adhere to the things Paul wrote that are true.

And this goes with many others who's writings are in the bible.
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Sadly so, and as God said from the beginning, that we are to be careful to do what He said...careful to know who really speaks the truth.

Y'shua met ALL the conditions to know He spoke for God. Paul just claimed to. There is no better lie than to tell a partial truth and then use fancy arguments to lead people away from what God actually said - which is exactly what Paul did.

Another example is the 'analogy' of the children of Abraham being used to say the Torah was given to the children of Hagar, but that the children of promise are those of Sarah. Per Moses, God was seeking to make Israel the very treasure of God on earth - above all other people - and the condition of that blessing would be their faithfulness to the conditions He put to the covenant. Israel failed, but God will still be faithful to His own. The conditions of God are still the same - excepting those things the Christ fulfilled. And the Christ said that the righteous standards God demands of those who are His are extant till:

1. Heaven and earth pass away.
2. Till all things be fulfilled.

Satan, evil and death have not yet been done away with. Per Scripture, aren't they intact upon His return and only at the end of the Thousand Years will all things be made new and the Evil One destroyed?

Paul was a good story teller..... but if we want to know the actual truth we'd better hear God instead - and those who pass the tests God gave to know who actually speaks for Him. Paul fails the tests, so why hear him? Why hear Paul when we can still hear the very words of Jesus that lead to life eternal?
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Paul, Moses, and David were all murderers.

Good grief you two clowns need to shave your beards and get out the synagogue more. A lot more.
The Seven Spirits of God

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William wrote:
Paul, Moses, and David were all murderers.
Good grief you two clowns need to shave your beards and get out the synagogue more. A lot more.
You are a retarded idiot.

Moses and David did not kill sons of God.
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Moses killed one Egyptian - not murdered.

David ordered someone abandoned on the battlefield so the enemy would kill him.

Yet both Moses and David were not liars. The same cannot be said for Paul - he was a liar and a murderer who wanted people to think he was an apostle of Jesus when he wasn't.

Paul: Liar, murderer and false apostle.

Have you had your Paul fix today?
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Moses killed one Egyptian - not murdered.
David ordered someone abandoned on the battlefield so the enemy would kill him.
Yet both Moses and David were not liars. The same cannot be said for Paul - he was a liar and a murderer who wanted people to think he was an apostle of Jesus when he wasn't.
Paul: Liar, murderer and false apostle.
Have you had your Paul fix today?
He was approved by the Vicar of Christ. Cased closed.

Did you read your founder's surfing book yet?
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"Moses killed one Egyptian - not murdered."

How was it not murder? He did not have to kill the man, but he sure did.

"David ordered someone abandoned on the battlefield so the enemy would kill him."

You do realize what his motive behind that was, right?

"Yet both Moses and David were not liars."

LMAO! David tried to cover up his actions, so if that isn't lying then I don't know what is. As for Moses, I am certain that he lied during his life, because that is what every other man has done at some point along the way.
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"Moses and David did not kill sons of God."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David%27s_Mighty...

Uriah, whom David had killed, means "Light of Jehovah". He was one of thirty commanders under David's rule. David, as you recall, sided with God so Uriah would have been allied with God.

Run along now before you embarrass yourself further.
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Aug 13, 2013
 
"Moses killed one Egyptian - not murdered."

Exodus 2:11-15

11 And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.

12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.

13 And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?

14 And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known.

15 Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelt in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well.

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You've proven my point:-) You can go back to the Scripture to know who told the truth and who didn't. If you'd take off your Paul blinders, you'll find heaps of evidence to show what he taught was not only not in accord with what the Master taught, but also was against what God had said as well.

The issue is to see if you have the courage to prove Paul true or false.
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Aug 13, 2013
 
"You can go back to the Scripture to know who told the truth and who didn't."

Are you still here?

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell ALL that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Looks like you haven't sold out and given to the poor, or else the poor would have your computer. And everything else you own.

Run along now and wash your prayer shawl.
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Aug 13, 2013
 
Run from the truth as fast as you can and don't look back. Just continue to believe Paul - the only man in the Bible who claims to negate the Torah and very commandments of God and who even had the balls to say angels gave Moses the Law - not God.

Denial is not source of the river of life.
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Aug 13, 2013
 
Sola Scriptura. Yes it is. No its not. Yes it is.

How can any protestant be wrong?
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Aug 13, 2013
 
"Denial is not source of the river of life."

Sold that computer yet?

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell ALL that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
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That's what He told the young man. And He also warned those who are rich that it is more difficult to enter heaven. But did He tell the young man he couldn't get to heaven rich? No.

The man asked what he had to do to inherit eternal life. Jesus' reply was to keep the commandments, as He then lists some of them. The young man knew what Jesus was speaking of and replied that is what he had done as a manner of life.

Jesus didn't say he had to sell all he had and give it to the poor to be saved. Jesus invited him to be one of the selected followers, and the matter of money was to transfer his wealth to heaven for safe keeping by giving it away to feed the poor. If he did this, Jesus said he would be 'perfect'. Also notice that the determiners were what he did - not some feeling of hope or trust from the heart that had nothing to do with actual action in life. It wasn't 'faith alone' or 'grace alone', but if he obeyed God and believed enough to abandon all to follow Him. Matthew got up and walked away from the life he knew when the Master called him. So did Peter and the other apostles.

I'm neither rich nor young, but do believe that even we who are gentiles need to keep the same laws in the Torah that were meant for the sojourner in Israel. James pretty much points to this in the Jerusalem Decree matter found in Acts.

Jesus taught that Jew and Gentile do whatever He taught His disciples to believe, do and hope for.
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Mike Peterson wrote:
Sola Scriptura. Yes it is. No its not. Yes it is.
How can any protestant be wrong?
By trusting in the words of Paul over the words of God spoken by Jesus Christ. As the geneology of Genesis 5 says:

'Man is appointed mortal sorrow. The blessed God shall come down teaching, bringing the despairing comfort, rest.'

Related to Paul's teachings - Paul said it was OK to eat meat sacrificed to Idols. At least three times Paul said this. In response, after Paul had died, Jesus, through the apostle John, three times affirms eating meat sacrificed to Idols is forbidden. It is also spoken of as a sin that would send one to hell. Jesus put no waffle conditions of conscience on the command - neither did the apostles of brothers of the Lord - only Paul rejected the sure commandment of God and taught others to do likewise in rejecting the commandment of God.

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