Who are you voting for President 08?

Who are you voting for President 08?

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The Big Lebowski

Winchester, VA

#1 May 28, 2008
Let's get this party started right yall!

Obama may get the nomination but he'll never be president. Not because he's black, it because he's a racist, arrogant SOB with no Foreign Policy experience. If the Dems want a win this year they better wise up and nominate Hillary...personally I'm voting for McCain, the lesser of 3 evils.

OUT YO!
Rowdy Roddy Piper

Norfolk, VA

#2 May 29, 2008
I'd rather vote Clinton but Obama will get the dems nomination. I'm OK with that. I'd never go with McCain. He's too arrogant, hot headed, sexist,racist and is going against everything he stood for 4 years ago. Just a quck look at his 180's in the last year proves he's ready to "tow the party line" and be a puppet rather than a puppet master. He'salready stated he'd be willing to stay in Iraq for a hundred years if that's what it takes to "get the job done". What's the job? He said just this past weekend he'd "NEVER surrender Iraq". He thinks 5 billion a year for veterans benifits is too expensive, but 6 billion a month spent in Iraq is OK. Naw, this dude is defintely WAY WAY WAY too far to the right. He's towing a party line that has gotten this country in pitiful shape.
Don

United States

#3 Jun 1, 2008
If George Bush can muddle through......almost anybody can.
Obama certainly has more intellectual power than George Bush.
How much foreign policy experience did George Bush have? Or JFK or Hillary......does being the first lady give her the experience to be president? Did Hillary and Bill have a co-presidency.....? I think many people are simply jealous of Obama's sudden rise to fame. Name calling and slander are the stuff of little minds.
To call him a "racist" is simply one indication of a narrow,unsophisticated,hillbil ly,undeveloped perspective.
For a poor man to vote for Mccain or to vote Republican is another indication of a serious lack understanding of the modern world.
It reminds me of the many poor whites who fought for the confederacy during the Civil War. They fought, at the same time, to perpetuate slavery and to perpetuate their own poverty, ignorance and misery.
On the other hand,about 250,000 poor white men deserted the confederate army. The poor whites in the western part of the state knew that the war waged by the rich slave holding planters was not in their interest. Thus , the state of West Virginia was born.
Today many poor whites are not willing to vote Republican(for white people) and let the black people vote Democrat(for black people):that simple formulation will no longer work......
Obama is seeking to bring Americans together....to bridge racial and class divides that have allowed the rich and powerful to use race and class to manipulate the poor.....
It is time for a change!!!!!
Rowdy Roddy Piper

United States

#4 Jun 2, 2008
I agree that not to vote for Obama is in a lot of cases a racist decision just as a no vote for Clinton is a sexist decision. I'm a white guy who would eagerly vote for either over ANY republican at this point. I do however disagree with the notion that many poor whites in the south fought to perpetuate slavery. Most every poor white fought because his home state was being invaded by an occupying army. You have to keep in mind that in the 1800's people still belived in states rights. That meant your state was more important that the union of all states. The civil war was a war of economics, not a war of rights. Just look at the Emancipation Proclamation, it clearly states and I quote " "That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom".
The key point in this proclomation is that only slaves in states or parts of states in rebellion
were actually declared free men. There was slavery in states that sided with the union to be sure but they were not declared free. The last state to outlaw slavery was Delaware, after the war.(continued next entry)
Rowdy Roddy Piper

United States

#5 Jun 2, 2008
Lincoln goes on to name precisly which states the proclomation applies to.
All that being said, Lincoln did what he had to do to save the union of the states. That was his greatest achievement and it was the right thing to do at the right time to do it. Slavery was wrong and the end was too long coming but most poor whites never held a slave.
As for Lincoln himself, he was a Republican.
Dan

Milwaukee, WI

#6 Jun 2, 2008
Hillary has already received the majority Mainstream American vote. And if Democrat "Super Delegates" ignore Hillary, I'll vote Republican, for McCain. But I'd never vote for an unqualified radical, such as Obama.
Rowdy Roddy Piper

Gloucester, VA

#7 Jun 2, 2008
Dan wrote:
Hillary has already received the majority Mainstream American vote. And if Democrat "Super Delegates" ignore Hillary, I'll vote Republican, for McCain. But I'd never vote for an unqualified radical, such as Obama.
Please reconsider. If you're going to waste a vote because you don't like Obama, consider Ralph Nadar. Atleast that way you still get to participate but won't be helping further the Bush doctrine of imperialism.
Don

United States

#8 Jun 2, 2008
Rowdy Roddy Piper wrote:
I agree that not to vote for Obama is in a lot of cases a racist decision just as a no vote for Clinton is a sexist decision. I'm a white guy who would eagerly vote for either over ANY republican at this point. I do however disagree with the notion that many poor whites in the south fought to perpetuate slavery. Most every poor white fought because his home state was being invaded by an occupying army. You have to keep in mind that in

the 1800's people still belived in states rights.

That meant your state was more important that

the union of all states. The civil war was a war of economics, not a war of rights. Just look at the Emancipation Proclamation, it clearly states and I quote " "That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom".
The key point in this proclomation is that only slaves in states or parts of states in rebellion
were actually declared free men. There was slavery in states that sided with the union to be sure but they were not declared free. The last state to outlaw slavery was Delaware, after the war.(continued next entry)
Your "STATES RIGHTS" argument is interesting. Especially when one considers the fact that the rich slave holding planters all agreed with the FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT of 1850!!!!! Perhaps they forgot about "STATES RIGHTS" when their economic interest were at stake. Don't forget that American slavery was ECONOMIC in every sense of that word!
The Emancipation Proclamation certainly did not free any slaves.....but it did help move the nation in the right direction. Lincoln was a masterful politician who understood that he could not move too far ahead of the public opinion of his time. Read the Lincoln /Douglas debates. Lincoln said very different things to different audiences;he was a great political operator......he is considered great because in the end he rose above the pettiness, economic interest and bigotry of his time. The Republican party of 1858 is certainly not the same Republican party that exist today.
How can any one deny that the Civil War was a war fought over the issue of slavery?
"Coming now to the Civil War, how for a moment can anyone who reads the Congressional Globe from 1850 to 1860, the lives of contemporary statesmen and public characters,North and South, the discourses in the newspapers and the accounts of meetings and speeches,doubt that Negro slavery was the cause of the Civil War? What do we gain by evading this clear fact, and talking in vague ways about "Union" and "States Rights" and the differences in civilization as the cause of that catastrophe?" W.E.B. DuBois, Black Reconstruction In America 1860-1880 pp.715.

Obama will get the nomination and he will win. Join us and lets' move the nation foward!!!!
Don

United States

#9 Jun 2, 2008
Dan wrote:
Hillary has already received the majority Mainstream American vote. And if Democrat "Super Delegates" ignore Hillary, I'll vote Republican, for McCain. But I'd never vote
or an unqualified radical, such as Obama.
A vote for Mccain is a vote for the dogmas and narrow political formulations of the past....it is time for a NEW GENERATION!
MCcain represents the failed and dated outlooks of the past. He offers legends of external enemies
and endless war using the same troops over and over again while armchair patriots beat the drums for war from their sofas in front of their wide screen TVs. They shudder at the thought of a DRAFT....since they know everybody can't get five military draft deferments like Dick Cheny did during the Vietnam War!
How much experience does Hilary have? Did she and Slick Willie Bill Clinton have a CO-PRESIDENCY? How is Hillary more "qualified" than Obama?
Was George Bush "qualified"?
And what exactly do you mean by "the majority Main Stream American vote"?
Millions of Americans of all races had to have voted for Obama in order for for him to get the nomination......
Lets' have the courage to pass the torch to a new
generation.....born after the Vietnam war.....a generation not traumatized by that war!!
McCain is still fighting the Vietnam War....he's trapped in a time capsule. He is an old warior doomed to fight forever because that is all he knows.
Lets' move foward with courage and with OBAMA...we need a CHANGE!!!
Rowdy Roddy Piper

Norfolk, VA

#10 Jun 3, 2008
Don, you and I agree about McCain and we agree on Obama. Looking back on my post about the civil war I see I should have inserted the word "just" in this sentence "The civil war was a war of economics, not a war of rights". It should have read "The civil war was a war of economics, not just a war of rights. Maybe not eloquent but I think factual. Lincoln did indeed show many faces depending on the crowd he addressed but his matto was "The Union at all cost". Letter to Horace Greely states "Lincoln wanted to save the Union at all costs. In the letter response to Horace Greeley, Lincoln stated that he did not agree with those who would not save the Union unless they could save slavery at the same time. His stated object was to save the Union, not to save or destroy slavery. "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. "The sooner the national authority can be restored, the nearer the Union will be the Union as it was.
"Whether Lincoln hurt or helped the slaves, it was all for the sake and well-being of the Union."
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/linco...
Rowdy Roddy Piper

Norfolk, VA

#11 Jun 3, 2008
Sorry to keep harping on this subject Don but there is one more piont I'd like to make on the civil war subject. I agree with you one your point of the RICH SLAVEHOLDING PLANTERS. They were the ones fighting for the economic ad social "right" to protect their "property". There is no denying they had a pathetic thought process about human life. I do however believe the mainstream poor dirt farmer fought for his home, his state, not for the concept of preserving slavery. All these people knew was Lincoln was raising an army to come and fight on the land they lived on for the sake of a political ideal. It's the same now. The rich and powerful control while the poor suffer the consequences. And finally, Bush ain't that far from the republicans of 175 years ago. He's been tromping on civil rights, states rights, and the constitution fr 8 years. The real diference is he's doing it for no good reason.
Don

United States

#12 Jun 3, 2008
"I do however believe the mainstream poor dirt farmer fought for his home, his state, not for the concept of preserving slavery. All these people knew was Lincoln was raising an army to come and fight on the land they lived on for the sake of a political ideal"

That is exactly what the rich slave owners wanted them to believe!!!!
When the poor white people took up arms to defend "his home, his state", it was a de facto defence of slavery....
Rowdy Roddy Piper

Wicomico, VA

#13 Jun 3, 2008
Don, historians have debated this same issue since the end of that war and people of that era argued the economic suppression of the north over the south for 40 years prior to the war. I don't think you and I will solve it this year. Even after all these years atleast we haven't forgotten and it seems we have taken a great step forward by nominating Obama as our democratic candidate. I'll proudly cast my vote for him in November.
E85 Smells Like Moonshine

South Boston, VA

#14 Jun 25, 2008
It isn't the color of his skin, it's the thickness or lack thereof...
America can not afford 4 years of an elitist know-it-better-than-you cause I went to college Marxist/Socialist nare-do-well without a clue...
4 years is too long to lean left that far!

Since: Aug 07

United States

#15 Aug 2, 2008
I'm voting for McCain. Obama scares me because no one knows what he will do other than jack our taxes. Obama may win however, because the media loves liberals. All a liberal will do is raise taxes to pay for government programs and that is a fact. Liberals believe the government should control everything in our lives and the only way to do that is make the government bigger and more expensive to run. They also believe in social programs to feed, house and educate those who don't work. Also to provide them with lawyers, medical care, and anything else they can spend the money we work for on.
moses

Mount Olive, NC

#16 Aug 2, 2008
JUST CALL A SPADE A SPADE......
Joshua

Winchester, VA

#17 Aug 7, 2008
Obama reeks of the elitist North East attitude. "I'm not from the south so ergo, I'm better than you". He is right about one thing though and that is that it's time for a change. It's time for LESS government intrusion in private lives, it's time to get off Foreign Oil, it's time to quit supporting Israel ALL THE TIME, it's time to close the borders and kick the illegals out, it's time to legalize Marijuana (I don't use by the way), it's time to return States Rights back to the States, it's time for the Feds to quit attaching funding to unfunded Mandates...it's time for a change.

The problem is that they have brainwashed the college aged Sheeple...They should CHANGE to voting age to 30.
moses

Raleigh, NC

#18 Aug 10, 2008
Joshua wrote:
Obama reeks of the elitist North East attitude. "I'm not from the south so ergo, I'm better than you". He is right about one thing though and that is that it's time for a change. It's time for LESS government intrusion in private lives, it's time to get off Foreign Oil, it's time to quit supporting Israel ALL THE TIME, it's time to close the borders and kick the illegals out, it's time to legalize Marijuana (I don't use by the way), it's time to return States Rights back to the States, it's time for the Feds to quit attaching funding to unfunded Mandates...it's time for a change.
The problem is that they have brainwashed the college aged Sheeple...They should CHANGE to voting age to 30.
its 420 and time to smoke up""""
BorokTMN

South Boston, VA

#19 Aug 14, 2008
NoBama is wrong on:

Race
National Pride
National defense
Energy
Taxes
Spending
Social Engineering

If the response from both men over the invasion of Georgia by Russia doesn't define each one's position & view of the world, nothing will...

Borok is not black, he is green, so green that Kermit wants his suit back or a date...

Take his prompter away & Borok makes George W look like an authority when asked questions off the cuff...

I hear there will be an office for NoBama'08 in Chase City? That would not be based on a racist view of dumbographics, is it?

McCain has forgot more than Borok ever knew!!!
Rowdy Roddy Piper

United States

#20 Aug 14, 2008
Take Leiberman away from McCain and he doesn't know the difference between a Shiite and a Suni. He said he golfed with the President of Georgia but doesn't know his name. Laughed at the "inflate your tires" advice then turned around 3 days later and endorsed the idea himself saying he was just trying to have fun. You believe that??????? Told the crowd at Sturgis he'd rather hear the sound of 50,000 Harleys over the sound of 50,000 people applauding Obama. I wonder how may gallons that wasted? This guy won't make you safer, he's justa bully looking to try intimidation deplomacy just like Bush. He won't raise taxes, he'll continue using the Treasury Dept. like a damn credit card, just like DUBYA, and won't even try to make a minimum payment. You republicans really need to wake up and realize you can't keep spending without having an income to back it up. ie, Fannie Mea, Freddie Mac,Enron,Indymac. Or, better yet! A gas tax "holiday"!!!!! JEEZUS Open your eyes! How do you fix infrastructure when you are giving away the money you collect to fix it? Talk about trickle down economics! How long before thos Billions DO NOT trickle down? gimme a break!!!(from republican'ts)

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