Low Birth Rate Poses Threat to Social Programs

The U.S. Fertility Forecast shows births are at their lowest levels since 1920. Analysts say immigration and the recession have driven the national fertility rate below the two children expectancy. Read more
Dude

Purcellville, VA

#42 Feb 14, 2013
citizen wrote:
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People come here from all over the country to get a free ride---ask the tent folk living in back of Luck Stone where they came from.
They don't come here for a free ride, they come here for (the same reasons that my great great grandparents did)... opportunity.(unless they're wealthy Chinese, then they have clubs that come for duel citizenship and fly straight back)
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Here is my anecdotal story. I know a guy, and sure he's made bad choices. He can trace his family roots back to before the revolution. He's the father of a friend's ex-step daughter's children (my friend finally divorced his deadbeat wife). He quit drugs and decided to work for his kids, but without an education and a history of drug arrest, he's relegated to work in the back of restaurants (which doesn't pay enough to support a family), construction or landscaping. He complains that he can't find work (especially during the housing crisis) in construction because of the (he calls them Mexicans) immigrants that are willing to work for less than minimum wage with no benefits. He tried to work for William's landscaping, but Williams told him that he can't afford to employ him. He's a hard worker; I've hired him to work around the property at times. He wants to work, and he wants to support his family.
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People make bad choices, get stigmatized by people like you, and fall into the safety net.
sez you

Richmond, VA

#43 Feb 14, 2013
Boodreau wrote:
<quoted text>How do you propose that we prevent this? The politicians who vote to continue these agricultural subsidies are in the pocket of special interest groups, Replacing them just means a new face gets the payoff
Quite correct. The answer my friend is blowin in the wind. The question is what will collaps first and will congress fix the problem before there is blood in the streets. With only 1 in 4 college grads being able to find employment in their chosen field the future is bleak. We can point fingers at immigration, low wages and no benefits but pointing fingers does nothing. There are answers but corporations don't want to invest in long term fixes, only short term gains.
Boodreau

Waynesboro, VA

#44 Feb 14, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Quite correct. The answer my friend is blowin in the wind. The question is what will collaps first and will congress fix the problem before there is blood in the streets. With only 1 in 4 college grads being able to find employment in their chosen field the future is bleak. We can point fingers at immigration, low wages and no benefits but pointing fingers does nothing. There are answers but corporations don't want to invest in long term fixes, only short term gains.
This is a point we can agree on

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#45 Feb 14, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Quite correct. The answer my friend is blowin in the wind. The question is what will collaps first and will congress fix the problem before there is blood in the streets. With only 1 in 4 college grads being able to find employment in their chosen field the future is bleak. We can point fingers at immigration, low wages and no benefits but pointing fingers does nothing. There are answers but corporations don't want to invest in long term fixes, only short term gains.
"There are answers but corporations don't want to invest in long term fixes, only short term gains."

I didn't know that you sat on the board of a corporation. So tell us why corporations "don't want to invest in long term fixes" as you put it so eloquently?

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#46 Feb 14, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Quite correct. The answer my friend is blowin in the wind. The question is what will collaps first and will congress fix the problem before there is blood in the streets. With only 1 in 4 college grads being able to find employment in their chosen field the future is bleak. We can point fingers at immigration, low wages and no benefits but pointing fingers does nothing. There are answers but corporations don't want to invest in long term fixes, only short term gains.
Also you never responded to me as to the research method you used to determine that most people don't trust cops.
Dude

Purcellville, VA

#47 Feb 14, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>"There are answers but corporations don't want to invest in long term fixes, only short term gains."
I didn't know that you sat on the board of a corporation. So tell us why corporations "don't want to invest in long term fixes" as you put it so eloquently?
I'll answer that, because it's not their responsibility nor their goal. Corporations may be people, but they have no nationality and are not responsible to any country. They effectively facilitate "the race to the bottom." In fact their mission is no longer to build a better mousetrap, it's to maximize profits, regardless of ethics, or nationality.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#48 Feb 14, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Also you never responded to me as to the research method you used to determine that most people don't trust cops.
Of course this particular venue may or may not be representative of the average populous, but one need read only a few of the posts here to get a fair idea of what people feel about cops. Of course we need only need read and listen to the news that most people just don't look at cops in a very good light, as well they should not, given recent news. The guy that the LA PD were so desperate to murder was himself a cop at one time. There are police authorities that exemplify the profession, such as the Va State police, but one must pass a battery of testing to be accepted, the same testing we should ask of anyone wishing to carry a badge and a gun.
I Left Cville Socialism

Waynesboro, VA

#49 Feb 14, 2013
Since people that work and pay taxes are vacating Charlottesville, perhaps the decline in handout grabbing breeders will eventually lead to some kind of equilibrium in Cville.

Nah, that'd jeapordize the makeup of the city council too much. Keep 'em humpin' Huja, and happy VD (Valentines Day, of course!) to all you members of the entitlement possey!

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#50 Feb 14, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>I'll answer that, because it's not their responsibility nor their goal. Corporations may be people, but they have no nationality and are not responsible to any country. They effectively facilitate "the race to the bottom." In fact their mission is no longer to build a better mousetrap, it's to maximize profits, regardless of ethics, or nationality.
So you don't think that GM tries to design and build a better car than their competitors? And Apple for example doesn't want to build a better product than Microsoft or any number of Japanese or Chinese companies? Drop the s..h..i.t you learned in college and open you eyes. I'm know that there are companies out there that have acted improperly but a vast majority then just want to beat the competition by selling the best widget possible at the most affordable price. You're really not as intelligent as you think you are "Dude".

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#51 Feb 14, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Of course this particular venue may or may not be representative of the average populous, but one need read only a few of the posts here to get a fair idea of what people feel about cops. Of course we need only need read and listen to the news that most people just don't look at cops in a very good light, as well they should not, given recent news. The guy that the LA PD were so desperate to murder was himself a cop at one time. There are police authorities that exemplify the profession, such as the Va State police, but one must pass a battery of testing to be accepted, the same testing we should ask of anyone wishing to carry a badge and a gun.
"Of course we need only need read and listen to the news that most people just don't look at cops in a very good light"

Maybe it would help if you watched something other than MSNBC or used another site for your net news other than the Daily Kos. You're still not able to make a coherent argument as to how you know that a majority of people don't trust police officers.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#52 Feb 14, 2013
Well I don't watch cable tv, its useless, I know a slew of people who just as soon not have cops and their petty egos around. But if you look at the percentages in population, cops represent a very bad influence in the population, almost as bad as the 12% that commit 90% of the violent crime here. If you wear a badge and a gun the statistics tell me your gonna do something bad. So why should I trust the average cop? cause he wears a badge? sorry, the truth tells me otherwise.
Fools Gold

Scottsville, VA

#53 Feb 14, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>So what you're saying is, yes, you support euthanasia of low income individuals. Perhaps you're actually using the term "liberal" right, because it's clear you have no regard for civil liberties and personal property rights. I doubt you're going to get much support in your endeavors, outside of maybe Paul Ryan.
Not euthanasia. Reversible sterilization. Sterilize ALL at birth, rich and poor. Only if the show moral and economic resposibility would they be re-enabled to reproduce.

No breeding allowed if you cant support yourself or children. Tough luck, work harder we'll release your sperm/egg when you meet the bar.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#54 Feb 14, 2013
Fools Gold wrote:
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Not euthanasia. Reversible sterilization. Sterilize ALL at birth, rich and poor. Only if the show moral and economic resposibility would they be re-enabled to reproduce.
No breeding allowed if you cant support yourself or children. Tough luck, work harder we'll release your sperm/egg when you meet the bar.
Sounds like some sifi movie. Scary, its almost funny, kids running around trying to procreate before the cops come to get them fixed. Kinda like dogs and cats. What happens if you get knocked up before hand, heck why stop there, we can start to do sex mutilation on women like they do in other contries so women won't enjoy sex.

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#55 Feb 14, 2013
sez you wrote:
Well I don't watch cable tv, its useless, I know a slew of people who just as soon not have cops and their petty egos around. But if you look at the percentages in population, cops represent a very bad influence in the population, almost as bad as the 12% that commit 90% of the violent crime here. If you wear a badge and a gun the statistics tell me your gonna do something bad. So why should I trust the average cop? cause he wears a badge? sorry, the truth tells me otherwise.
You are one sad individual. If I were you I would stop hanging out with that "slew of people".
Dude

Purcellville, VA

#56 Feb 14, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't think that GM tries to design and build a better car than their competitors? And Apple for example doesn't want to build a better product than Microsoft or any number of Japanese or Chinese companies? Drop the s..h..i.t you learned in college and open you eyes. I'm know that there are companies out there that have acted improperly but a vast majority then just want to beat the competition by selling the best widget possible at the most affordable price. You're really not as intelligent as you think you are "Dude".
One of my best friends is the youngest MBA ever from Harvard that worked for FORD, he was a VP before he retired 20 years ago; and I know for a fact that you are wrong. I wish you and most had critical thinking skills, but you don't. It's not s..h..i.t.
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You've been sold a line of B.S.; and you've bought it.

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#57 Feb 15, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>One of my best friends is the youngest MBA ever from Harvard that worked for FORD, he was a VP before he retired 20 years ago; and I know for a fact that you are wrong. I wish you and most had critical thinking skills, but you don't. It's not s..h..i.t.
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You've been sold a line of B.S.; and you've bought it.
If you think I am naive enough to believe that profits aren't one of the main goals for a corporation then you are mistaken. Just about everything you buy, eat, drive, or type on comes from a corporation that provides jobs and benefits to it's employees. Profits means growth and growth means more jobs.

Have you read Atlas Shrugged?
Dude

Purcellville, VA

#58 Feb 15, 2013
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C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>If you think I am naive enough to believe that profits aren't one of the main goals for a corporation then you are mistaken. Just about everything you buy, eat, drive, or type on comes from a corporation that provides jobs and benefits to it's employees. Profits means growth and growth means more jobs.
Have you read Atlas Shrugged?
A long time ago, same with the fountain head. They were long, wordy, and they superfluously rambled. Objectivism is nothing more than worship of oneself above anything else. There is nothing ethical in ethical egoism, which justifies one's desires above other's civil liberties and personal property rights, that in itself exposes it for the hypocrisy of the philosophy it espouses. Furthermore, John Galt was a de facto unionist, not unlike the real life Lech Walesa, which is deliciously ironical. I thought it was a great philosophy when I was a self absorbed teenager, but then I grew up. History has shown that hers was the philosophy of tyrants the led societies to break down, and eventually revolution; in essence she was not unlike Nicholas II.
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It isn't one of, but the only goal of corporations. They have no loyalty to any nation, nor to their employees.
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"It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expence, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."
~Adam Smith
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Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defence of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.
~Adam Smith

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Even the father of classical economics is against her anarchist view that taxation is theft, and appears to support certain socialist views, including a progressive tax system and common property that helps a larger property facilitate wealth, despite espousing that mutual self interest was the path to wealth creation. Contractual labor is one thing, exploitation is another.
real central va Marine

Charlottesville, VA

#59 Feb 15, 2013
Fools Gold wrote:
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All persons should be reversibly sterilized at birth. Only when they can prove moral, social, and finacial responsibilty will their genetic code be "unlocked."
Stupid takers outbreeding productive citizens will trainwreck this country faster than you think.
They tried that back in the early 1940's...didn't work.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#60 Feb 15, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Also you never responded to me as to the research method you used to determine that most people don't trust cops.
No reseach needed, just some very common sense. There are some good cops, and there are some bad cops, just like the one they burned up in Cal., the point is there should always be a method, which there is, to sort them out BEFORE they get a badge.

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#61 Feb 15, 2013
Dude wrote:
]<quoted text>A long time ago, same with the fountain head. They were long, wordy, and they superfluously rambled. Objectivism is nothing more than worship of oneself above anything else. There is nothing ethical in ethical egoism, which justifies one's desires above other's civil liberties and personal property rights, that in itself exposes it for the hypocrisy of the philosophy it espouses. Furthermore, John Galt was a de facto unionist, not unlike the real life Lech Walesa, which is deliciously ironical. I thought it was a great philosophy when I was a self absorbed teenager, but then I grew up. History has shown that hers was the philosophy of tyrants the led societies to break down, and eventually revolution; in essence she was not unlike Nicholas II.
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It isn't one of, but the only goal of corporations. They have no loyalty to any nation, nor to their employees.
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"It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expence, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."
~Adam Smith
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Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defence of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.
~Adam Smith
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Even the father of classical economics is against her anarchist view that taxation is theft, and appears to support certain socialist views, including a progressive tax system and common property that helps a larger property facilitate wealth, despite espousing that mutual self interest was the path to wealth creation. Contractual labor is one thing, exploitation is another.
You can cut and paste all of the communist propaganda you want but the reality is that you cannot not point to a more successful form of government nor economic system in the history of the world that has assimilated as many people of different origins and built the worlds most successful country. You sicken me because you are not able to accept the fact that America is as strong as we are because we are a nation of freedom lovers. I don't have any idea how old you are but to me you seem as though you just passed your political science class at one of the many socialist universities that are scattered across America. Tell me what you really think of this country. Don't hold back. And stop using some obscure authors words as an extension of your own.

Socialism doesn't work and it never will.

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