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Fluvanna County teachers are learning the options on the table to bridge a $308,173 budget gap. Full Story
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robbie H

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Nov 1, 2012
This has to do with their dum decision to build that high school that was not needed and going ahead without thinking of these budget increases that the school would bring i would never let a child go there under any circumstances...when i went there my senior year i had medical issues and they did nothing to help me it just shows they care nothing about the kids or the staff....TOTAL FAILURE ON THEIR PARTS
Not a teacher

Penn Laird, VA

#2 Nov 1, 2012
Fluvanna School Board: Every single one of you should resign.

Fluvanna Board of Supervisors: Every single one of you should resign.

Both of you have failed the County of Fluvanna.

You claim you don't want to hurt the children. Well...you have failed to manage in many ways. You are hurting our teachers therefore you are hurting our children. All of you (Board members) should work for free until you fix the mess you created. I'm sad for the children and teachers. Board members, furlough yourselves because you have not a clue what to do and it shows.
glad I moved to Louisa

Mineral, VA

#3 Nov 1, 2012
All I can remember is everybody pushing for a new HS. They wanted it bigger and better... and I'd say they got exactly what they asked for.
Something wrong

Rocky Mount, VA

#4 Nov 2, 2012
Cut teachers and students

Raises and bonuses for Central Office employees

Something wrong with that picture
poi

Charlottesville, VA

#5 Nov 2, 2012
ugh
Agreed

Farmville, VA

#6 Nov 2, 2012
Not a teacher wrote:
Fluvanna School Board: Every single one of you should resign.
Fluvanna Board of Supervisors: Every single one of you should resign.
Both of you have failed the County of Fluvanna.
You claim you don't want to hurt the children. Well...you have failed to manage in many ways. You are hurting our teachers therefore you are hurting our children. All of you (Board members) should work for free until you fix the mess you created. I'm sad for the children and teachers. Board members, furlough yourselves because you have not a clue what to do and it shows.
I agree with you COMPLETELY! This is insane and the ones who created it must be held responsible. I know the ones who approved the high school are not the ones in office now, but since they hold a public position, they must be held accountable to do the right thing. Most of the decisions that have to be made HURT the children. There is only one choice that affects administration. Administration salaries are way too high and need to be stopped. Wow, two administration salaries on the school board list of cut or eliminate is $101,000.00 for the time period of 1/1/2013 to 6/30/2012. The math says it all. Just double and each position has a salary of over $101,000.00 which includes benefits. Pitiful they want to hurt the teachers that touch our children's lives. Shame on you board! I think it is time for the Virginia State Department of Education to step in!
CCC

Patrick Springs, VA

#7 Nov 2, 2012
How far was the school over budget?

They should just shuttered it until they had the money to run it. But NO, they just had to get more to OPEN THE DOOR. Now they are only halfwat through the school year and out of money. SHAME ON THE BOARD.
mars

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Nov 2, 2012
I wish the word "furlough" would be banned from this discussion. There are people who are confused by this professional-sounding word. Let's be honest. A furlough is a day without pay. It is a pay cut. True, the teacher gets the day off, but it's not like he or she can go find another source of income for that one day. At least when they were discussing a four-day week, teachers could have entertained the possibility of making up the lost income by getting part-time jobs on the weekends. So pay was frozen one year, the next, a pay cut, the next a benefits increase, which means less paycheck, so lets call that, honestly, a loss of pay, then the next year two days of pay taken away, and now mid-year, multiple more days without pay. Pay has gone down every single year.
Makes Sense

Farmville, VA

#9 Nov 2, 2012
It seems that Columbia and Cunningham are money pits. It takes over $1.8 million to operate these schools a year. These schools have a total of 391 students combined. This is not good business sense and is money wasted. There is more than ample room for these kids to go to Central Elem. Actually, there are empty rooms at Central. It is not even an option to keep these open. The other options affect more students and teachers. Why not decide on the option that has the least affect on people. This county has to be run now like a business with sound business decisions. These decisions can not be made by the people who are in office now. They can not think out of the box and can only see cutting teachers and 4 day work weeks. They need to look at the big picture and make a decision for the long term , not what works now. If this decision is made based on what is good right now, then the schools will be in the same place next year. Therefore, a long term decision that is best for the whole school system should be chosen. They way the school board is leaning towards is a quick fix. Doing what is best right now will only cause more problems long term and the need for these quick decisions to be made year after year. Also, there is no additional revenue being generated so it is not like there will be an increase in the budget going forward in the years to come. The county board has been negligent in generating income to support an infrastructure of any kind in this county. They wanted to keep in rural and prohibit growth. This has created the burden the residents are in now.
Not a teacher

Penn Laird, VA

#10 Nov 2, 2012
Yes, I do think a school should have been built...after the water to Zion X Roads...after attracting businesses to Zion X Roads...after making sure there is money available to build/operate schools without looking like you have not a clue. I suggest both boards (BS, SB and top salary admins) hold bake sales at Walmart for their pay. Your regular pay would be used to make up the $300,000 shortfall. STOP ruining the lives of our teachers and support staff to make up for your poor decision making skills.
Fluvanna Resident

United States

#11 Nov 2, 2012
I am a parent of a child and don't feel that the teachers are putting the children first as per NBC29 the teachers survey that was most favorable was:
"Eliminating two division-level administrator positions and going to a four-day school week received the highest responses for consideration."

How is my child going to do well going to school for an extra hour to an hour and half? They already don't get home off the bus till 5 pm and this would extend the day of getting home at 6 or 6:30. And eliminating bus transportation is crazy last time I checked my taxes go for that type of things. I vote for closing the smaller schools and move them to Central. My child even goes to the smaller schools and hate to see that change but I cannot take off every Friday to watch my child just because the board cannot manage their budget.
jogger

Brookneal, VA

#12 Nov 2, 2012
85% of school budget goes for salaries, health and welfare benefits, retirement funding for teachers, staff and administrators....this is the first place to start looking at budget cuts....after that start running the school system and the county like a business and not a bottomless money pit funded by the taxpayers....
tax payer too

Penn Laird, VA

#13 Nov 2, 2012
You don't think the teachers are putting the children first. You can't take off every Friday to babysit your child. I don't think its okay to expect teachers to sacrifice their lives to the point they can't provide for their families while you enjoy a full paycheck and be able to provided for your family. I don't think teachers are at school to babysit. Sacrifices have to made, but school staff should not have to make all the sacrifices while others enjoy their lives. Government employees pay taxes too. I say, cut Cunningham and Columbia. Cut some bus routes and have parents drive there kids to school. Downsize some of those high salary positions and cut some athletic programs. If you want your child to play sports pay more to play or find other means for athletic activities. I don't see how anyone can think that its okay to expect teachers to be happy and teach at their highest ability when their pay is in jeopardy. All parents have responsibility to their children and based on your comments, I don't think you are putting your child first. So, if you don't put your child first don't expect others to put your child first. Cutting teacher and staff pay is not the answer to this problem. I'm thinking in addition to my suggested cuts that parents pay more for educating their children.$100.00 per child is a good start.
Fluvanna Resident wrote:
I am a parent of a child and don't feel that the teachers are putting the children first as per NBC29 the teachers survey that was most favorable was:
"Eliminating two division-level administrator positions and going to a four-day school week received the highest responses for consideration."
How is my child going to do well going to school for an extra hour to an hour and half? They already don't get home off the bus till 5 pm and this would extend the day of getting home at 6 or 6:30. And eliminating bus transportation is crazy last time I checked my taxes go for that type of things. I vote for closing the smaller schools and move them to Central. My child even goes to the smaller schools and hate to see that change but I cannot take off every Friday to watch my child just because the board cannot manage their budget.
No Easy Choice

Penn Laird, VA

#14 Nov 2, 2012
Home school is the answer to all this mess? Lets see how that works.
jogger wrote:
85% of school budget goes for salaries, health and welfare benefits, retirement funding for teachers, staff and administrators....this is the first place to start looking at budget cuts....after that start running the school system and the county like a business and not a bottomless money pit funded by the taxpayers....
Fluvanna Resident

United States

#15 Nov 2, 2012
NO, I don't believe that the teachers are there to babysit my child, and don't think any of them should lose their jobs or have a pay cut, but when they make average 45K a year per an administrator in Fluvanna county then I think they are paid fairly. I don't even come close to that and I have to drive an hour to find a descent job. I do think that bus routes should be cut back more kids on the bus, but then you will have parents worried b/c their elementary kids are on there with middle or high schoolers. I could take off every friday if I had to but the solution that will benefit Fluvanna in the long run instead of short time is closing at least one of the smaller schools and cut out all the extra administrators in schools. Personally how many secretaries and principles do we need in one school.
tax payer too wrote:
You don't think the teachers are putting the children first. You can't take off every Friday to babysit your child. I don't think its okay to expect teachers to sacrifice their lives to the point they can't provide for their families while you enjoy a full paycheck and be able to provided for your family. I don't think teachers are at school to babysit. Sacrifices have to made, but school staff should not have to make all the sacrifices while others enjoy their lives. Government employees pay taxes too. I say, cut Cunningham and Columbia. Cut some bus routes and have parents drive there kids to school. Downsize some of those high salary positions and cut some athletic programs. If you want your child to play sports pay more to play or find other means for athletic activities. I don't see how anyone can think that its okay to expect teachers to be happy and teach at their highest ability when their pay is in jeopardy. All parents have responsibility to their children and based on your comments, I don't think you are putting your child first. So, if you don't put your child first don't expect others to put your child first. Cutting teacher and staff pay is not the answer to this problem. I'm thinking in addition to my suggested cuts that parents pay more for educating their children.$100.00 per child is a good start.
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The real deal

Palmyra, VA

#16 Nov 2, 2012
THIS SCHOOL HAS BROKE THE COUNTY!!! WE REALLY DIDN'T NEED A NEW HIGH SCHOOL. WHEN THE COUNTY WON'T LET BUSINESSES COME TO THE COUNTY THIS IS WHAT YOU GET!!! SHAME ON THE BOS!!!
taxpayer

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Nov 2, 2012
The school board needs to learn how to operate within the budget they have, just like all of the rest of us have to do. The "money spigot" is not endless. I suppose however it would be nice to just say "Give us more money" and it just "appears". Some of us taxpayers are really getting fed up with this! What do you do at your home when the funds aren't there.....you find things to cut out.....so get to cutting.
Amy

North Garden, VA

#18 Nov 2, 2012
They are not seriously considering going to a four-day week; that is just a political ploy to get the parents worked up and on their side. Remember the "we're not going to open the new high school" trick they played earlier this year? Same thing. Toss a ridiculous, inflammatory idea out there and rally the parents to your side. Sadly, the parents who reacted so spectacularly to that first episode still have no idea that they were being used and manipulated. I will give the superintendent of schools/school board this: they certainly have someone who is politically savvy on their team.

Meanwhile, as much as I hate to say it, teachers may need to face pay cuts and furloughs. There are few people I know who have not taken pay cuts and reductions of their benefits during this economic crisis. In fact, I literally cannot think of one person who is making what they were before this economic downturn started. In the REAL world - the business world - this is just the way it is, and teachers are no better and no worse than any other employee of any other company. You need to deal with the economic reality just as the rest of us do.

Lastly, I would LOVE to see a corporate gunslinger - a professional business efficiency expert - hired to assess the school budget. Betcha HE could find some places to make cuts...
Phil

Charlottesville, VA

#19 Nov 2, 2012
This is getting old. First of all I think we need to get past the building of the new high school. I've beaten that dead horse myself. We all know that is why Fluvanna is in such a pickle. Former board members placed their faith in a building and not where it should be. On the education process itself. You can get a great education in a crummy building. I'm also over hearing folks talk about lazy teachers. Yes, there are lazy ones. There are great ones too. That's in every division. It's also in every line of work. What we need now are solutions. The school board seems to be taking the shock approach to fixing the issue. These are options they should have talked about before the school year started. I don't have any great ideas, but I am just tired of all the fighting and dramatics. It's hurting the county as a whole. Not just in the realm of education, but I cringe to think what this mess is doing to property values. Can we as Fluco citizens start working towards solutions?
Other stuff

Miamisburg, OH

#20 Nov 2, 2012
They should sell gym memberships at the new high school. I understand it has a wonderful weight room and courts, they could open it up in the mornings from 5 to 7 and the evenings from 7 to 10, and on Saturdays and Sundays all day, except during games. They could charge $20/month/person or $50/month/family and it would be the best deal in town. It would, appropriately, fund athletics through exercise.

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