Two New Fire Stations On Tap For Fluvanna

Despite ongoing budget issues, Fluvanna County will soon be home to two new fire stations. Full Story
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Hypocrisy

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#1 Mar 2, 2010
Isn't it interesting that our new board of supervisors member lambasted Marvin Moss for supporting a new fire station, and now we are building two more?

Isn't it even more interesting that the same new member said our schools don't deserve funding because it is a mediocre school system, despite achieving recognition for being one of the top 15 school systems in Virginia while receiving funding in the bottom 1/6th of counties in per student funding.

When the Fluvanna Board of Supervisors meets Wednesday at 2pm in the county courts building, during the time for public comment, perhaps they need to be told that when you believe a project is "wasteful pork spending," you don't turn around and build two more of them. Maybe they also need to be reminded that you don’t reward teachers for excellent results with insults and funding cuts that will force the school board to cut all pay and fire 10% of the teachers that achieved those results.

Even a student can see the hypocrisy of doubling what you called vote buying waste, and punishing excellence. Luckily, we are not as stupid yet as you would like us to be with your funding cuts to our schools. We see you for the hypocrits you are, especially you Sean Kenney!
Hypocrisy

United States

#2 Mar 2, 2010
By the way, in no way do I mean to suggest I think the fire stations are actually wasteful and should not be built! They are needed and a bargain they way they will be funded.
common sense

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Mar 2, 2010
Hypocrisy is another Marvinite. These fire stations were approved long before the current board was seated. Furthermore why does Palmyra need a 2 million dollar + fire station and everybody else settles for less? Because most of the Palmyra firefighters lived in Marvin's district. Approximately 19 votes would have given Chuck Wright the election 4 years ago. Count the number of Palmyra firefighters that live in his district and add a family member(spouse) to each and then tell me that firestation did not buy an election. As far as the school system goes it is obvious to me that you have never run a business, lived on a budget, or been taught how to manage money. The Fluvanna school system is poorly managed, lacks fundamental leadership at almost every level and is overstaffed in every position other than the classroom. Too much emphasis on administration and not enough on teaching kids. Most of the teachers are pretty good, but lack an administration with any ability whatsoever. For Christ's sake the only people who don't have a county school system vehicle to drive are the teachers. Spend the money in the classroom instead of giving every administrator, maintenance worker, and bus mechanic a vehicle to drive to and from work. They are totally comatose to the point of education. Dr. Smith and Cabell Lawton quit because for once in their sorry existences they might actually have to do their ####### job. Go figure!
Another Child Corrupted

Rocky Mount, VA

#4 Mar 2, 2010
Hypocrisy wrote:
Isn't it interesting that our new board of supervisors member lambasted Marvin Moss for supporting a new fire station, and now we are building two more?
Isn't it even more interesting that the same new member said our schools don't deserve funding because it is a mediocre school system, despite achieving recognition for being one of the top 15 school systems in Virginia while receiving funding in the bottom 1/6th of counties in per student funding.
When the Fluvanna Board of Supervisors meets Wednesday at 2pm in the county courts building, during the time for public comment, perhaps they need to be told that when you believe a project is "wasteful pork spending," you don't turn around and build two more of them. Maybe they also need to be reminded that you don’t reward teachers for excellent results with insults and funding cuts that will force the school board to cut all pay and fire 10% of the teachers that achieved those results.
Even a student can see the hypocrisy of doubling what you called vote buying waste, and punishing excellence. Luckily, we are not as stupid yet as you would like us to be with your funding cuts to our schools. We see you for the hypocrits you are, especially you Sean Kenney!
Clearly your liberal teachers have taught you to disrespect your elders, to lie, and to shill to line their everflowing pockets. I wonder if they bribed you with passing grades to slander a great American like Supervisor Kenney so you could trick the unsuspecting public into more mindless tax and spend waste.

Sean Kenney never criticized Marvin Moss for providing much needed support to our brave firefighters, although the criminal waste of expensive decorative lighting that Marvin Moss insisted on is the real reason we cannot currently afford the excessive demands of your teachers and Dr. Spendthrift Smith. Some patriotic Fluvanna citizens were unable to show Supervisor Kenney's admirable restraint as they watched Marvin Moss' repeated attempts at vote buying with their tax money, and did speak out.

Since your greedy teachers never taught you this, the Board of Supervisors cannot, and will not ever cut teacher pay or fire teachers. That is what Dr. Smith and his school board are doing. If you, like so many other people, disagree with the fiscally irresponsible decisions Dr. Smith continues to make, you should take it up with him, if you can even get ahold of him as he prepares to flee his mismanagement of our once respected schools.

You should also tell the corrupt teachers that put you up to this that government employees engaging in lobbying efforts during their scheduled work hours is a federal felony crime, and that using defenseless children to do their dirty work is even more morally corrupt than we have come to expect from the dubious characters Smith has filled our shrinking schools with.

Supervisor Kenney and the rest of the Board of Supervisors strongly support excellence in education, and are doing their best to rid the schools of the corrosive waste and unneeded spending that are the biggest obstacles in providing you the type of education you deserve. You can count on them to fully fund each and every program required by the Virginia Standards of Quality, and they will accept nothing less.
Uncommon Sense

Rocky Mount, VA

#5 Mar 2, 2010
common sense wrote:
Hypocrisy is another Marvinite. These fire stations were approved long before the current board was seated. Furthermore why does Palmyra need a 2 million dollar + fire station and everybody else settles for less? Because most of the Palmyra firefighters lived in Marvin's district. Approximately 19 votes would have given Chuck Wright the election 4 years ago. Count the number of Palmyra firefighters that live in his district and add a family member(spouse) to each and then tell me that firestation did not buy an election. As far as the school system goes it is obvious to me that you have never run a business, lived on a budget, or been taught how to manage money. The Fluvanna school system is poorly managed, lacks fundamental leadership at almost every level and is overstaffed in every position other than the classroom. Too much emphasis on administration and not enough on teaching kids. Most of the teachers are pretty good, but lack an administration with any ability whatsoever. For Christ's sake the only people who don't have a county school system vehicle to drive are the teachers. Spend the money in the classroom instead of giving every administrator, maintenance worker, and bus mechanic a vehicle to drive to and from work. They are totally comatose to the point of education. Dr. Smith and Cabell Lawton quit because for once in their sorry existences they might actually have to do their ####### job. Go figure!
Perhaps it is YOU that has never run a business, lived on a budget, or been taught how to manage money, at least not successfully.

Fluvanna is one of the top 15 school systems in Virginia, despite lean budgets in the bottom tenth of the state of per pupil spending. In the business world, outperforming over 85% of your competition while spending less than 90% of your competitors to do so is not called poor management that lacks fundamental leadership. It is called efficiency and success.

It sounds to me Fluvanna has just about found the right ratio of administrators and teachers if they have become that efficient with our tax money. In business, no sane stockholder would be gloating if the CEO that achieved such successful results was leaving. No competent business owner achieving this level of success would reward the successful employees with pink slips and pay cuts. Why are we doing that with our teachers?

Then again, if YOU believe you should run YOUR business by driving out successful managers and punishing your employees for achievement, it is no wonder you are probably desperate for tax relief to stay afloat.
Sudden Realization

Rocky Mount, VA

#6 Mar 2, 2010
Another Child Corrupted wrote:
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Clearly your liberal teachers have taught you to disrespect your elders, to lie, and to shill to line their everflowing pockets. I wonder if they bribed you with passing grades to slander a great American like Supervisor Kenney so you could trick the unsuspecting public into more mindless tax and spend waste.
Sean Kenney never criticized Marvin Moss for providing much needed support to our brave firefighters, although the criminal waste of expensive decorative lighting that Marvin Moss insisted on is the real reason we cannot currently afford the excessive demands of your teachers and Dr. Spendthrift Smith. Some patriotic Fluvanna citizens were unable to show Supervisor Kenney's admirable restraint as they watched Marvin Moss' repeated attempts at vote buying with their tax money, and did speak out.
Since your greedy teachers never taught you this, the Board of Supervisors cannot, and will not ever cut teacher pay or fire teachers. That is what Dr. Smith and his school board are doing. If you, like so many other people, disagree with the fiscally irresponsible decisions Dr. Smith continues to make, you should take it up with him, if you can even get ahold of him as he prepares to flee his mismanagement of our once respected schools.
You should also tell the corrupt teachers that put you up to this that government employees engaging in lobbying efforts during their scheduled work hours is a federal felony crime, and that using defenseless children to do their dirty work is even more morally corrupt than we have come to expect from the dubious characters Smith has filled our shrinking schools with.
Supervisor Kenney and the rest of the Board of Supervisors strongly support excellence in education, and are doing their best to rid the schools of the corrosive waste and unneeded spending that are the biggest obstacles in providing you the type of education you deserve. You can count on them to fully fund each and every program required by the Virginia Standards of Quality, and they will accept nothing less.
With apologies to Disraeli and Mark Twain, after reading this post, on top of so many others on NBC29, I have come to a sudden realization:

There are liars, there are damned liars, and there is the whole anti-tax/anti-school/anti-Smit h/anti-Moss crowd that could put any statistician to shame!
Evidence Please

Rocky Mount, VA

#7 Mar 2, 2010
common sense wrote:
Hypocrisy is another Marvinite. These fire stations were approved long before the current board was seated. Furthermore why does Palmyra need a 2 million dollar + fire station and everybody else settles for less? Because most of the Palmyra firefighters lived in Marvin's district. Approximately 19 votes would have given Chuck Wright the election 4 years ago. Count the number of Palmyra firefighters that live in his district and add a family member(spouse) to each and then tell me that firestation did not buy an election. As far as the school system goes it is obvious to me that you have never run a business, lived on a budget, or been taught how to manage money. The Fluvanna school system is poorly managed, lacks fundamental leadership at almost every level and is overstaffed in every position other than the classroom. Too much emphasis on administration and not enough on teaching kids. Most of the teachers are pretty good, but lack an administration with any ability whatsoever. For Christ's sake the only people who don't have a county school system vehicle to drive are the teachers. Spend the money in the classroom instead of giving every administrator, maintenance worker, and bus mechanic a vehicle to drive to and from work. They are totally comatose to the point of education. Dr. Smith and Cabell Lawton quit because for once in their sorry existences they might actually have to do their ####### job. Go figure!
Could you please give the specific evidence that backs up your assertion that the Fluvanna school system is poorly managed? What statistics lead you to this conclusion? How exactly are the schools emphasizing administraion over teaching kids? I am trying to understand how you came to these conclusions. Thank you for helping me understand your point of view.
Andrew Pullen

Richmond, VA

#8 Mar 2, 2010
First off, how did the county building two much needed fire stations turn into comments about the school system? There is another forum for those comments. The Fluvanna County Volunteer Fire Department and Lake Monticello Volunteer Fire Department submitted a capital improvement plan (CIP) to the BOS in the early 90's where new fire stations, apparatus, equipment, etc. was outlined. All new purchases such as the new firehouse in Palmyra, new engines for Palmyra and Kents Store, a new engine for Fork Union, and new firehouses in Kents Store and Fork Union are planned for well ahead of the budget year that they will fall under. Marvin Moss was a huge advocate for FCVFD, but in no way did his support of volunteer firefighters win his election. You can do all the math you want of firefighters in the Columbia Voting District, but there is just as many members in other voting districts as thier is in the Columbia District. Marvin Moss supported volunteer firefighters when he was in office and Sean Kenney supports them now; along with the other supervisors. Are you going to say that the new Kents Store firehouse won him the recent election? Marvin Moss had a lot of involvement in Kents Store's new fire house and he still lost to Kenney and all of Kents Store's members live in the Columbia Voting District. How does your recent post support that? You are also flat out wrong when you say that our new supervisor "lambasted Marvin Moss for supporting a new fire station" because he not only supports his local volunteers, but he also supports a new radio system and other initiatives. I guess what I am trying to say is that politics does not play a role in our volunteer fire department and I will not tolerate people on here saying that someone "bought" our votes. We are a diverse group of men and women with different political views, but regardless of politics; we put the citizens of Fluvanna County first. No matter what happens with the BOS, the school board, or who resigns from the county, or who wins an election; the volunteer firefighter are still going to answer your calls for service.
Donna Phillips

Waynesboro, VA

#9 Mar 2, 2010
What on earth do we need MORE fire stations for? How many fires do we have in Fluvanna? What a huge waste of tax payer money. So we can just have firemen sitting around all day playing cards while WE the taxpayers have to foot the bill for this waste of space. Ridiculous.
Andrew Pullen

Richmond, VA

#10 Mar 3, 2010
Fluvanna County Fire and EMS agencies responded to about 4800 incidents last year alone and we are 100% volunteer! Fluvanna's Fire Companies do not only respond on fires either. We respond on fires, motor vehicle accidents, hazmat incidents, public service calls, and we run most ems calls. Even if we arent running calls, we are not sitting around playing cards. We have to maintain our firehouses, apparatus, equipment, along with training our asses off, fundraising, etc. Im sure if you were one of the people who needed shelter during one of the winter storms, you wouldnt make comments like that or maybe if you needed the fire dept for any reason you may feel differently about your local volunteers who work full time jobs, have families, and then donate thousands of hours to their community. I encourage you to visit a website that I maintain at www.fluvannaco1.com and become more educated on the subject before you make anymore ignorant comments that you may regret. If you have any more questions or comments feel free to contact me directly. You can reach me at the local volunteer fire station where I spend all of my free time "playing cards and waiting on one of those few fires we get."
CvilleGordo

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Mar 3, 2010
Donna Phillips wrote:
What on earth do we need MORE fire stations for? How many fires do we have in Fluvanna? What a huge waste of tax payer money. So we can just have firemen sitting around all day playing cards while WE the taxpayers have to foot the bill for this waste of space. Ridiculous.
You really have no idea? Maybe you live at the Lake and don't understand the reality of a rural area like Fluvanna. If you live elsewhere in the County, then obviously you have never had a 9-1-1 emergency when all available fire/rescue units were tied up on the other side of the county; or an emergency during bad road conditions when NO ONE can get there fast. Of course, dispatch isn't necessarily going to tell you that you are going to have to wait, but you would figure it out when you didn't see anyone for 15-20 minutes. People freak when it happens to them, but it does indeed happen in any rural area. All it takes is 2-3 emergency calls at the same time, and if you happen to be #4, you might have to wait a while. My advice - quit griping about more fire stations and instead count your blessings; make sure you have a good trauma first aid kit in your house, make sure you can do CPR for at least 30 minutes BY YOURSELF,(because guess what happens when people get tired and stop) and keep some decent fire extinguishers in the house, not those little under-the-counter jobs that won't handle anything larger than a frying pan fire.
wise one

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Mar 3, 2010
AND THEY SAY THEY DON'T HAVE NO MONEY FOR BUDGET. IT' BAIL OUT TIME. The money has got to go some where. GET THE BIG PICTURE?
firefighter in fluvanna

Keswick, VA

#13 Mar 3, 2010
Hats off to you Andrew Pullen. Donna Phillips, maybe before you start throughing around preconcieved notions you should get your facts right. Not only does fluvanna firefighters spend thier free time serving the community, but we also have lives and dont have the time to sit around "playing cards". We get out of bed in the middle of the night and drop everything to come help someone in need, whether it be a fire, ems, motor vehicle accident, or a lift assistance, etc. and this is the kind of thanks we receive? Maybe you should educate yourself on fluvanna fire&rescue so that you not only understand the kind of commitment we have to help someone that we have never even met, but so you also wont sound so ignorant next time. Shame on you.

Concerned Citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Mar 3, 2010
Thank you Andrew and firefighter in Fluvanna. People don't have a clue what it takes to have a successful volunteer operation like we have in Fluvanna. I personally am grateful that we are upgrading and continue to purchase new equipment and train our volunteers to be on top of their game. I support them all 100%. How many times do you think Donna Phillips got up in the middle of the night to go out in all kinds of weather to help someone in need that she didn't even know? During Hurricane's, snow storms, ice and rain, risking their own lives going to a fire or running an EMS call to help someone in need without hesitation or asking questions - our volunteers are there to help and I dare anyone to put them down or say they don't need a new firehouse or new equipment. In my opinion they need the very best of everything. And I speak not just for Fluvanna County but for all Fire and Rescue Volunteers. KUDOS to you all and thank you for being there!

“So what do you really mean?”

Since: Jan 09

Blacksburg, VA

#15 Mar 3, 2010
I have no problem with the firestations being built, especially since they were approved years ago, we need them, and the money was already allocated. Why does it just seem like many of you fools don't want to pay for ANYTHING. For people to come on here and call our HARD WORKING teachers greedy is ridiculous. The pay scale in Fluvanna is less than most of the surrounding localities, and they get LESS funding for activities, and yet they're somehow greedy??

The real problem is that we keep electing a BOS that is anti-business. Is it possible that we would be in a better place financially, as a county, with some Walmart and Lowe's money in our tax coffers? How many of us would be MORE affected by the Zion's Crossroads traffic if those businesses had been built a mile or two in OUR DIRECTION??? The real culprits here are all the anti-growth people who are now calling everyone greedy. It's too bad you don't care about anyone that might actually live here over the next 20 years.
swimmer

Richmond, VA

#16 Mar 3, 2010
My hats off to all the fire/ems volunteers. They are a unshelfish breed. As already mentioned about their responce time and when (all hours) they also train. I believe firefighter 1 is around 169 hours of training? To me thats a BIG commitment there,time away from family friends,etc. Thats in order to serve their communities. Again to all Volunteers THANKS !! Hope you enjoy your well deserved new stations!
Fluco Mom

Rocky Mount, VA

#17 Mar 3, 2010
nice to see us spending money on something useful for a change.
Andrew Pullen

Richmond, VA

#18 Mar 3, 2010
The new Firefighter I curriculum is around 200 hours, EMT is around the same, DPO is 64 hours, EVOC is 16 hours, and that is just the basic classes that a volunteer will take. Even after you take those basic classes, your training as a firefighter (volunteer or career) never stops. We have duty crews, meetings, fundraising, etc. and thats if you dont participate in Fire/Rescue Association, building commitees, truck commitees, and that doesnt even include running calls. As far as our responce times are concernced. I think that we have excellent responce times and there is often people staying the night at our new firehouse even if there isnt inclement weather. You may not think that's important now, but if you have a heart attack in the middle of the night and a firetruck shows up in just a few minutes and begins treating you; well then you may understand. If you would like to become more educated on the volunteer firefighters in our community then I invite you to sit in on a class that we will be teaching this weekend. The class is Mayday Firefighter Down and it teaches us how to rescue a downed firefighters. It is very physically and mentally demanding and is one of the most important classes a firefighter can take, in my opinion. Contact me at www.fluvannaco1.com if you are interested and I will make arrangements for you to attend.
NormanT

Charlottesville, VA

#19 Mar 6, 2010
While the fire department is very important, there are fire stations small though they may be. Does the county need new stations most likely.

That being said, the county also needs a new high school. It's been talked about ever since I moved here and now it's finally under construction. Yet some would like to stop construction of it, because of budget concerns. Well it needs to be built for the good of our kids!

If the county budget is a tight as they say, then now is not the time to take on new construction projects like fire houses. Let's get the high school completed, and then work on the fire houses.

We should also make sure that the BOS is not so frightened by the thought of business being in the county. Just think of the tax income we could have in this county if there was some business in it. Why we might even be able to pay for the high school, the school budget, and some new fire houses all at once without attempting to fire teachers. Wow what a deal!
Andrew Pullen

Richmond, VA

#20 Mar 9, 2010
Norman T,
"ever since I moved here" is the key part in your sentence. How can you justify to the citizens reading this that the high school or anything else is more important than new fire stations and/or public safety. All are important in my opinion, but these fire stations are imperative! Have you ever been in Kents Store's fire station or have ever even been to Kents Store? Did you run hundreds of calls during hurricane isabel and then have to split your personel up and move trucks on either side of the adjoining creek to cover both ends of your area because that creek has flooded your building and parking lot. Have you ever been out on a house fire all day and not been able to use your bathroom when you get back because it rarely works properly or not have adequate heat/air during inclement weather. In my opininion, public service has been put on the back burner for years and now that we are finally getting what we deserve; people who arent even from this county and dont volunteer to help us at all are trying to prevent us from getting what we need and deserve.

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