GA Considers Making Smoking in Car wi...

GA Considers Making Smoking in Car with Kids Illegal - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sport...

There are 88 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Dec 18, 2012, titled GA Considers Making Smoking in Car with Kids Illegal - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sport.... In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

It could get a lot more expensive to light up a cigarette with your kids in the back seat.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at NBC29 Charlottesville.

First Prev
of 5
Next Last
nurse22

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Dec 18, 2012
The children who are exposed to the toxins in smoke will become a financial burden on society with their asthma, bronchitus, COPD, and other lung related diseases-therefore it is our business!!!
JJT

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Dec 18, 2012
As a speech pathologist doing hearing testing in the schools, I often found children with ear infections and the answer was almost always YES when I asked if their parents smoked. My own grandchildren suffered with ear infections and tubes in their ears for much of their childhood because of their father's smoking. The children need to be protected, by law, from this type of health risk.
Liberalace

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Dec 18, 2012
Thanks Nurse. Now when do we allow the state to begin inserting themselves into the lives of families with overweight kids or kids with dirty dental hygiene? Football and ice hockey are also costing a lot in future health care costs as well; better get those young boxers too!

BTW, if you are actually a nurse, perhaps you should check your Taber's dictionary...it is "bronchitis."

R.I.P.: Julie London
Ice Dogg

Richmond, VA

#4 Dec 18, 2012
Interesting, in Iowa rest stops its illegal to smoke OUTSIDE your vehicle.
wise one

United States

#5 Dec 18, 2012
this will not be nesseccary since as a ride to the assult weapon band there is a ban on smoking being proposed
Woodrowski

Buckingham, VA

#6 Dec 18, 2012
Maybe they can write some legislation to cut down on STUPID VA DRIVERS. You know, the ones that slow down when coming up on a green light, stopping in the middle of road to let other cars out of driveways and streets, in ability to merge onto a high way, driving 10-20 mph under the speed limit when the road is wet, not going when the light turns green, jamming on their brakes when the light turns yellow. letting everyone cut in front of them, speeding up when you try to pass, not letting people pass, driving 10-20 mph under the speed limit in the fast lane and not moving over. jamming on their brakes at the sight of a cop even though they are going under the speed limit, and of course talking, eating texting and putting on their makeup while driving.
wwtjdo

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Dec 18, 2012
It may be true that smoking around children or even while pregnant causes health problems, but, what gives them the right to tell you what you can & cannot do? I'm fed up with government; ie Fed, State, & local telling me how to live. Common sense tells you smoking is bad for your health as well as your childs. These same hypocrites who pass such idiot laws themselves smoke, drink & drive. Stop trying to regulate LIFE!!!!
Local

Bethpage, NY

#10 Dec 18, 2012
This is already law I believe in California.

I am a smoker and have kids. I do not smoke in any of my vehicles while my kids are inside and one of my vehicles I don't smoke in at all (the primary child-hauler).

While I agree with the intent of the law, I would much rather see parents who smoke take more responsibility toward ensuring their kids health and avoid exposing them to smoke than for the government to step in as a nanny. But, I would like to see those that don't take that responsibility be reprimanded for it.

"god-fearer", I'm convinced that you don't have your head and your butt wired together. Do you see un-lit cigarettes being in the vehicle with kids being okay? If so, than by your logic, firearms should be okay provided that they're not actively being used and are properly secured.

Since: Dec 12

Thunder Bay, Canada

#11 Dec 18, 2012
Parents know best

I'm afraid that the proposal to ban smoking in cars occupied by children represents an
unwarranted intrusion into the privacy and autonomy of parenthood. The autonomy to
make one's own decision about risks to subject a child to is not to be interfered with lightly.
It should only be done in cases where there is a substantial threat of severe harm
to the child. Interfering with parental autonomy in a case where there is only minor
risk involved is unwarranted.
George S

Hartselle, AL

#12 Dec 19, 2012
Why not ban legislators from writing what laws they want and try democracy instead?
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Dec 19, 2012
Liberalace wrote:
families with overweight kids or kids with dirty dental hygiene?
Stinkin' gv't telling ME what to DO again. I've had ENOUGH. NOW they're takin' away my constitutional RIGHT to put my OWN children at risk.
Kelly S

Waynesboro, VA

#14 Dec 19, 2012
Phillip Morris claims to care about children but the tobacco companies are working to replace the people their product kills every day with children because they are the most gullible targets:

Parents who smoke around their children unwittingly cause their children live in fear of losing the people they love most to terrible diseases caused by smoking. Quitting is hard, but do it for the love of your kids and because you don't want them to grow up to live with this addiction. Help is out there-please make the call!
thinking free

Wirtz, VA

#15 Dec 19, 2012
How about a IQ test before having kids? If you don't pass the test, spay or newter!
confederate1989

Cecilia, KY

#16 Dec 19, 2012
Just open the window!

I was interviewed on BBC Scotland radio this morning on the subject of banning smoking in cars (listen here for 7 days, 2.17 hours in). Sleepy though I was—and coming off the back of a hilariously one-sided vox pop—I tried to make the point that the simple act of opening a window in a moving vehicle provides ample ventilation to disperse secondhand smoke.

Prof John Britton had earlier told the BBC that levels of secondhand smoke in cars are twenty times higher than in smoky bars. As a medical man, his opinion naturally trumped mine as far as the presenter was concerned. Nevertheless, it's worth finding out this '20 times higher' claim comes from.

A good place to start is a heavily referenced report from ASH (UK). It claims that:

According to a report by the Ontario Medical Association, secondhand smoke levels in cars can be 23 times greater than in a house.

ASH give a citation of this report from the Ontario Medical Association, which says:

Based on the evidence that exposure to SHS in a vehicle is 23-times more toxic than in a house due to the smaller enclosed space, the state of Colorado drafted a bill that would impose fines on adults caught smoking in cars when a child is present.

But what evidence is this? Their only reference turns out to be a news story from the Rocky Mountain News, not exactly a reliable scientific source.

ASH do, however, have another source:

A study comparing secondhand smoke particle concentrations in a vehicle with those in a bar which allowed smoking, found in-vehicle concentrations 20-times greater than inside the bar.

Again there is a citation, this time to an actual scientific journal, but the article in question does not measure secondhand smoke in cars, nor does it attempt to. It certainly doesn't give any estimate of how much more secondhand smoke is in cars than other locations, and it doesn't cite any references that might lead us to find an article that does.

And there the trail ends. Such is the game of Chinese whispers that passes for evidence-based medicine these days.

If you want to find some real science on this issue, you have to turn to an American Journal of Preventive Medicine study from 2006, which measured particulate matter (PM2.5) in vehicles.

Bearing in mind that the EPA's 'hazardous' level for 24 hour exposure is 250 ng/m3, this study found average peak concentrations of 271 ng/m3. But they did so by keeping the windows closed. When a window was opened, the level was only 51 ng/m3. This is a fraction of what would be found in a smoky bar (200-500 ng/m3) and is well within the EPA's limit (which, remember, is for 24 hour exposures, not the occasional car journey). And after smoking, levels quickly fell to the same found in a nonsmokers' car.

The study also measured carbon monoxide levels, with even less impressive results. When the window was opened, levels barely changed at all.

Another study sometimes cited carried out a similar experiment but only opened the window by 3 inches. Even with this restricted ventilation, average levels of PM2.5 were 119 ng/m3—well below the EPA's hazardous level.

All of which suggests that—if smoking in cars is a problem at all—it is one that can be simply solved by opening the window. And that, of course, is what everyone already does.

Would I agree with a law forcing people to open the window whilst smoking? I probably would, if I thought that would be the end of the matter, but we all know that it won't be because protecting people from secondhand smoke is not the purpose of the Royal College of Physicians' latest 'demands'. By calling for a total ban on smoking in cars, even when no one else is present, they have finally given the game away. This issue isn't about science and it's not about 'protecting' nonsmokers. It never has been.

http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2010/...
confederate1989

Cecilia, KY

#17 Dec 19, 2012
Just open the window!

I was interviewed on BBC Scotland radio this morning on the subject of banning smoking in cars (listen here for 7 days, 2.17 hours in). Sleepy though I was—and coming off the back of a hilariously one-sided vox pop—I tried to make the point that the simple act of opening a window in a moving vehicle provides ample ventilation to disperse secondhand smoke.

Prof John Britton had earlier told the BBC that levels of secondhand smoke in cars are twenty times higher than in smoky bars. As a medical man, his opinion naturally trumped mine as far as the presenter was concerned. Nevertheless, it's worth finding out this '20 times higher' claim comes from.

A good place to start is a heavily referenced report from ASH (UK). It claims that:

According to a report by the Ontario Medical Association, secondhand smoke levels in cars can be 23 times greater than in a house.

ASH give a citation of this report from the Ontario Medical Association, which says:

Based on the evidence that exposure to SHS in a vehicle is 23-times more toxic than in a house due to the smaller enclosed space, the state of Colorado drafted a bill that would impose fines on adults caught smoking in cars when a child is present.

But what evidence is this? Their only reference turns out to be a news story from the Rocky Mountain News, not exactly a reliable scientific source.

ASH do, however, have another source:

A study comparing secondhand smoke particle concentrations in a vehicle with those in a bar which allowed smoking, found in-vehicle concentrations 20-times greater than inside the bar.

Again there is a citation, this time to an actual scientific journal, but the article in question does not measure secondhand smoke in cars, nor does it attempt to. It certainly doesn't give any estimate of how much more secondhand smoke is in cars than other locations, and it doesn't cite any references that might lead us to find an article that does.

And there the trail ends. Such is the game of Chinese whispers that passes for evidence-based medicine these days.
Eaglescout1984

Charlottesville, VA

#19 Dec 19, 2012
I wish they would crack down on throwing your butt out your car window. Or when your walking or standing or anywhere in public. It's called littering and it's disgusting. And if you're caught throwing it onto private property, I say the owner gets to deal with you.
Liberalace

Charlottesville, VA

#20 Dec 19, 2012
huck wrote:
<quoted text>
Stinkin' gv't telling ME what to DO again. I've had ENOUGH. NOW they're takin' away my constitutional RIGHT to put my OWN children at risk.
Again, I will say...you put your own children at risk when you allow them to play football, ice hockey, ride bicycles. Yes, you certainly do have a right to put your children at risk. Putting your child in the car alone with their 75-year-old grandmother puts them at increased risk for a wreck. If you look at the data, allowing children to become full-time professional actors is way riskier; look at the outcomes (and the parenting of those kids). Lots of risks.

Actually, the risk of second-hand smoke to passengers in an automobile is statistically quite low. If you observe vehicles with a driver who is smoking, the vast majority have their window cracked and are blowing the smoke out the window. It is a way, way lower risk than many other situations present.

But, alas, I know the mantra of the big government crowd...let's all chant together:
"But if we can save even ONE life, it is worth it."

R.I.P.: Tony Randall
Gnu

Charlottesville, VA

#21 Dec 19, 2012
wwtjdo wrote:
It may be true that smoking around children or even while pregnant causes health problems, but, what gives them the right to tell you what you can & cannot do? I'm fed up with government; ie Fed, State, & local telling me how to live. Common sense tells you smoking is bad for your health as well as your childs. These same hypocrites who pass such idiot laws themselves smoke, drink & drive. Stop trying to regulate LIFE!!!!
Simple - you harm another life because of your ignorance, the govt steps in.
Unfortunately there are too many idiots that endanger the lives of children/people - knowingly or unknowingly. Who is there to protect them, especially the little kids?
NormanT

Tempe, AZ

#22 Dec 19, 2012
Yes let's get the nanny state involved in another aspect of our daily lives.

Let the parents decide what to do or not do around their kids.

As for healthcare expenses, thats why Obama care was passed, so the government can make sure we all have healthcare. Our taxes go up soon to cover it.
Gnu

Charlottesville, VA

#23 Dec 19, 2012
opinionated wrote:
This is a major pet peave of mine and I'd love to see legislation take care of it. I'm sorry, but if you are STUPID enough to smoke in the vehicle with your kids they should be taken away from you! The child has no say in their early death from this disgusting "habit". Personally, I think they should take away your health insurance, etc. if you smoke. It seems all smokers are entitled to their "right" to smoke where they want.
I'll continue to be a real %$#* when I encounter people smoking near building entrances, etc. If you want to kill yourself, there are much quicker ways to do so than making your family endure the lengthy suffering of cancer that you will reap from your "habit".
Quick fix, quit being a burden on society and stop smoking!!!!
Ever notice the type of car and the type of people in the cars that light up with kids in them? The stereotype lives on .....

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 5
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Charlottesville Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Local Painter Finishes Mural at Starr Hill Jul 21 steve pritt 1
News UVa Police ask Community to be Alert after Arme... Jul 13 Wasunwillingclock 1
News 19-Year-Old Arrested on Rape, Other Charges (Jan '13) Jul 9 chikis bonilla 22
Fluvanna Teachers Rally Around New Principal wi... (Aug '13) Jul 6 Just Moved In 5
News Fluvanna Parents Petition Supervisors for Schoo... (Mar '13) Jul 6 Just Moved In 73
tutors in Fishersville Va Jun '15 Ashbell 1
News Teen guilty of video charge (Sep '06) May '15 Kim P 2
More from around the web

Personal Finance

Charlottesville Mortgages