Fire Destroys Barn In Western Albemarle

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Fire consumes a barn in western Albemarle County. Two barns and numerous bales of hay have gone up in flames on a farm in western Albemarle County.

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cotaxpayer

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Jul 16, 2010
 

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Guess the ordinance would have prevented this fire too.
alison

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I was brought to tears....a treasure lost.

This structure was a iconic symbol on Ortman road and passed on a daily basis by many.

Local artists often painted the landscape, barn, and surrounding buildings (to those of you who have them in your art collection cherish them even more.)

My special thanks to the fire crews from Charlottesville, Seminole, Crozet and Rockfish Valley and to the neighboring farms for the access to water. I am glad you are all safe.
Opie

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Jul 17, 2010
 
The ordinance might have helped by putting in a standard. Had the originally toned 1st due apparatus responded in prompt fashion, ie. 1 minute, this tragedy might have been averted. But you can't do that if adequate staffing, or any staffing for that matter, isn't in the building. It's a shame our board of supervisors won't do something about this. I thought our taxes paid for this stuff!
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Jul 17, 2010
 
The only thing that will fix this is for all fire stations to staff their stations 24/7 like rescue and station 8 does. Everyone else can do why can't Station 5 & Station 3? Create 12 hour shifts and just staff 1-2 pieces of apparatus. Thats all you have to do and its no additional cost to tax payers.......Problem solved
cotaxpayer

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The price we all pay to live in the county. Accept it. just say no to Higher taxes! Ken Boyd wants to raise your property taxes to staff fire houses! Truth hurts!

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Jul 17, 2010
 
Taxpayer wrote:
The only thing that will fix this is for all fire stations to staff their stations 24/7 like rescue and station 8 does. Everyone else can do why can't Station 5 & Station 3? Create 12 hour shifts and just staff 1-2 pieces of apparatus. Thats all you have to do and its no additional cost to tax payers.......Problem solved
For those that are not aware...since Sta.8 is used as an example.
They are staffed by career+volunteers during daylight hours. from 6pm-6Am, staffed by rotating shifts of volunteers. Typically enough for at least 2 pieces to roll. Few stations however have enough members, trained to that level, who are able to dedicate the time.
Taxpayer

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Jul 17, 2010
 
Laughing at the fools wrote:
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For those that are not aware...since Sta.8 is used as an example.
They are staffed by career+volunteers during daylight hours. from 6pm-6Am, staffed by rotating shifts of volunteers. Typically enough for at least 2 pieces to roll. Few stations however have enough members, trained to that level, who are able to dedicate the time.
I wouldn't say they don't have enough members. I also disagree that they are not trained like sta 8 fire fighters. My point is sta 8 staffs their station 24/7. The other stations have the man power to have 1-2 crews in house 24/7 they just allow them to go home.

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Jul 17, 2010
 
Taxpayer wrote:
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I wouldn't say they don't have enough members. I also disagree that they are not trained like sta 8 fire fighters. My point is sta 8 staffs their station 24/7. The other stations have the man power to have 1-2 crews in house 24/7 they just allow them to go home.
I think you're missing the point..take a look at the "active members" at the stations in the county. Look at average members per call and average number of members in the stations at any given time. Another thing to look at as well as the demographic of the stations as well. Sta 8 aggressively recruits students every year, trains them heavily and that is one of the main reasons they have young, well trained members in such larger numbers.This certainly comes in handy when they don't have the family life/job/other obligations that an older member may have.

The counties training classes were initially patterned very closely after the training 8 was doing in house, before the county began having requirement.
Just because you have a full roster, doesn't mean you can roll a piece out with a 3/4 person crew.
It would be nice, it's not realistic, here or in neighboring counties either.
Opie

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Jul 17, 2010
 
cotaxpayer wrote:
The price we all pay to live in the county. Accept it. just say no to Higher taxes! Ken Boyd wants to raise your property taxes to staff fire houses! Truth hurts!
I'm unsure how to interpret your comment. Maybe some sarcasm there. I don't know. There should not be the price of our safety and security to live in the county. A staffed fire house is a responsive fire house. No staff - no response. These are EMERGENCIES. That means I need them NOW. We all pay the same proportion of taxes. Why should someone living Crozet (a growth area) pay the same in taxes as anyone else and get a poor emergency response from our fire dept? The Earllysville area even has career staff during the day and that's not a growth area! Like the Crozet chief said in the newspaper "......they just didn't get here in time." Because it took to long to respond in the first place! What if someone dies because of staffing taking to long to get the fire houseor rescue squad? What then? The price we all pay to live in the county? Think again!
tired of the idiots

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Jul 18, 2010
 
Taxpayer wrote:
The only thing that will fix this is for all fire stations to staff their stations 24/7 like rescue and station 8 does. Everyone else can do why can't Station 5 & Station 3? Create 12 hour shifts and just staff 1-2 pieces of apparatus. Thats all you have to do and its no additional cost to tax payers.......Problem solved
If station 8 is so great with the 24/7 staffing then tell me why just about every time they have a structure fire it hits the ground
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Jul 18, 2010
 
Opie wrote:
The ordinance might have helped by putting in a standard. Had the originally toned 1st due apparatus responded in prompt fashion, ie. 1 minute, this tragedy might have been averted. But you can't do that if adequate staffing, or any staffing for that matter, isn't in the building. It's a shame our board of supervisors won't do something about this. I thought our taxes paid for this stuff!
All the ordinance does is put dan eggleston in complete control of everything. it does not staff the firehouses. Who wants someone that cant tell the truth by telling the volunteers one thing and doing something completly different later
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Jul 18, 2010
 
also if you have a barn fire that is full of hay bales involved it is almost impossible to save. by the time you cool them enough to get a piece of equipment near the bales to move them the structure is usually pretty much gone. then they have to be unrolled to put then completly out
are we bitter

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Jul 18, 2010
 
tired of the idiots wrote:
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If station 8 is so great with the 24/7 staffing then tell me why just about every time they have a structure fire it hits the ground
a few examples perhaps of a case in their 1st due where this may have happened?
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Jul 18, 2010
 
tired of the idiots wrote:
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All the ordinance does is put dan eggleston in complete control of everything. it does not staff the firehouses. Who wants someone that cant tell the truth by telling the volunteers one thing and doing something completely different later
tired of the idiots, you make several accusations in your posts w/ no facts or figures to back them up. If I understand the chief situation correctly, with a single chief in place, that person, whoever it is, makes decisions for the fire services in ALL Albemarle county. That chief is responsible for the quality and competency of the fire services. He is directly accountable to the citizens and and county government. The volunteers are accountable to themselves only; no standard except what they feel is good enough for them. Simple fact/question to answer. Are citizens of any jurisdiction, served better in an emergency when the equipment is responding immediately after the time of the call? It's an easy yes. If the volunteers can't staff a building 24/7 then, career staff are needed. If they can staff it, then career staff are not needed. I don't understand why the volunteers have such a hard time with this when it's the victims in need that pay the price. Our well being should be your first priority, whatever road that takes.
Ticked off taxpayer

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Jul 20, 2010
 
The ordinance might have helped by putting in a standard. Had the originally toned 1st due apparatus responded in prompt fashion, ie. 1 minute, this tragedy might have been averted. But you can't do that if adequate staffing, or any staffing for that matter, isn't in the building. It's a shame our board of supervisors won't do something about this. I thought our taxes paid for this stuff!

The only way to save that barn is not to start a fire within 50 feet of the barn.The outcome would have been no different if there was paid staff or not,the conditions were right for that barn to burn down no matter what the staffing of the building,you sound like a paid county employee that cares nothing about the fire service except to create more county positions.If we want to talk about accountability why is it we spent over 20 million on a radio system that isn't complete.Who is accountable for that?You nor anyone else in this county can afford paid staff 24 hours a day,instead of being so negative toward the volunteers why don't you and all the other negative people get off you axx and go give some time to your local volunteer organization.All this conversation is about ACFR building a monster fire service,folks we can not afford 6-12 million dollar fire stations.If it were not for the volunteers no one could affored to live in this county,and to Ken Boyd you had better watch out for that big bear in the tree you are trying to piss off it will be more than you can handle
Stephen M Takach

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Jul 24, 2010
 
alison wrote:
I was brought to tears....a treasure lost.
This structure was a iconic symbol on Ortman road and passed on a daily basis by many.
Local artists often painted the landscape, barn, and surrounding buildings (to those of you who have them in your art collection cherish them even more.)
My special thanks to the fire crews from Charlottesville, Seminole, Crozet and Rockfish Valley and to the neighboring farms for the access to water. I am glad you are all safe.
Allison,
Thanks for the kind thoughts. The barn was over 100 years old. We are very thankful that no one was hurt or livestock injured, and we will rebuild. If you know of anyone with some old pictures of the barn or paintings of the same we would love to see them.
Stephen M Takach
Rose Hill, Greenwood VA
rosehillva@me.com

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