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HIM

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Sep 27, 2012
The bov needs to go, this is a really old and nonworking way of running our taxpayer money.
Too Bad

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Sep 28, 2012
The Board of Visitors is the only thing standing in the way of a long slide into oblivion for the University. They shake things up and insist on accountability. Sullivan is under the gun now, and a good thing too. She earns $700,000 a year and we have little or nothing to show for it after two years.
Having the faculty on the Board of Visitors is like asking the fox to run the chicken coop. In an obvious pay-back move, the first thing Sullivan asked for after reinstatement was a raise for the faculty. Never mind that some of them have retired on the job and are compensated so well few of them want to leave.
College costs have been out of control for two decades and neither Sullivan or the faculty want to admit the gravy train is ending. Impoverishing students and parents alike to get en education was not Jefferson's dream.
Eurohoo

Ireland

#3 Sep 28, 2012
Seems that there is no good reason whatsoever for the paralysis caused by the rector's refusal to step down.
Palehorse

Charlottesville, VA

#4 Sep 28, 2012
Who cares?
Palehorse

Charlottesville, VA

#5 Sep 28, 2012
Too Bad wrote:
The Board of Visitors is the only thing standing in the way of a long slide into oblivion for the University. They shake things up and insist on accountability. Sullivan is under the gun now, and a good thing too. She earns $700,000 a year and we have little or nothing to show for it after two years.
Having the faculty on the Board of Visitors is like asking the fox to run the chicken coop. In an obvious pay-back move, the first thing Sullivan asked for after reinstatement was a raise for the faculty. Never mind that some of them have retired on the job and are compensated so well few of them want to leave.
College costs have been out of control for two decades and neither Sullivan or the faculty want to admit the gravy train is ending. Impoverishing students and parents alike to get en education was not Jefferson's dream.
You're just flat out wrong or a simple liar. One of the many reasons Sullivan was ousted in the first place was because she wanted to raise wages for all employees in the University.

So while the BOV will easily approve nice fat raises for themselves every few years, the idea of raising an hourly rate for the janitor is completely OUT OF THE QUESTION!!!!
Eurohoo

Ireland

#6 Sep 28, 2012
None of these meetings woud be necessary if only ms. dragas would do the right thing and step down. her continued intransigence is harming the university she claims to "love" with each passing day.
twinmom

Woolwine, VA

#7 Sep 28, 2012
To be on any governing board, whether a university, non-profit, or corporation, one needs to bring something to the table, whether it is management skills, financial and investment savvy, business connections, fundraising abilities, or leadership experience. Successful boards are comprised of people who are willing to put forth time and energy to see the organization develop and prosper. It is not just a social club; it's not just about making a large financial contribution, though sometimes that is what an outsider may think got someone appointed to a board. Employees of an organization are sometimes the poorest choices to be on the board because there can be significant conflicts of interest when it is time to make decisions.
I don't think that the faculty are overpaid in comparison to other major universities, don't know about the staff. But given that so many faculty members had spare time on their hands to stage protests, do interviews, flood the email servers, etc, it suggests that they aren't overworked. The faculty do need to realize that major organizations are usually not run democratically, and UVA is no different. The faculty senate is a great thing, and many fantastic ideas have come from it, but it is not a governing board, and they don't get to make the decisions.
HIM

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Sep 28, 2012
Staff will not get anything far as wages anytime soon, the only thing they can count on will be more workplace bullying. Employees will have to be tough and take more crap from managment.
Too Bad

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Sep 28, 2012
Palehorse wrote:
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You're just flat out wrong or a simple liar. One of the many reasons Sullivan was ousted in the first place was because she wanted to raise wages for all employees in the University.
So while the BOV will easily approve nice fat raises for themselves every few years, the idea of raising an hourly rate for the janitor is completely OUT OF THE QUESTION!!!!
You may be surprised in your ignorance to find out the members of the BOV are not paid. Sullivan was ousted for poor performance. Eventually what came out was a long list of challenges the University faces that she had done virtually nothing about over two years. Looks like your pants are on fire Palehorse.
Tired of it

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Sep 28, 2012
twinmon and Too Bad, by your comments it seems obvious that you know precious little about what goes on inside of universities.

- Too Bad, if you want to claim that there is "nothing to show for..." Sullivan's presidency, then I think you'd better first go review all of the annual reports of faculty and departments and other divisions to make sure that there's "nothing" to show for it. What, exactly, is supposed to be showing? The UVa faculty are incredibly productive. The job of the higher level administration is make sure that conditions are in place for that productivity to continue.
- Furthermore you would also find that your claim about faculty being "retired on the job" is baseless. The notion that Universities are full of dead weight is public legend and nothing more. It has no basis in reality. Is there dead weight here and there? Sure. As there is in every single large organization. Its not special to universities and your comment about it is ignorant - plain and simple. How much time have you spent, exactly, around the hallowed halls with real knowledge of what these people do everyday?

- To both of you: neither one of you truly know very much about faculty compensation either, it seems. The "well-compensated" or "overpaid" assumption is more general public legend that comes from the occasional casual glance at news stories that sensationalize some of the more outrageous administrator salaries. The fact is that salaries at schools in our state system lag well behind those in peer institutions. The faculty in the state of VA are being paid below the market. You might resent the market if things are higher than you think they should be. But that doesn't change the fact that requests regarding salaries are ridiculous. They are quite well-founded...if you actually knew the first thing about the issue...which its obvious that neither of you do.

- And to twinmom, this ridiculous claim that faculty *must* have plenty of time because they show up to demonstrate and circulate emails and the like is absurd and infuriating. For one thing, it is part of the *official duties* of faculty to participate in the administration of university organizations. Its in the damn job description. Second, and this also goes to the moronic "fox & chicken coop" comment of Too Bad, faculty are the actual line workers in the organization - you know - the ones that actually carry out the real business of the place in terms of research and teaching. What exclusion from governance means is that a bunch of amateurs actually call the shots. Pick your analogy - it would be like having an engineering firm where the engineers have no say in what the firm does. Or a construction company where no one in charge knows anything about building stuff.

I'm not here to argue about it. I'm here to say that all of those fine VA citizens without any real and direct knowledge of how Universities operate should just shut up and not spout out baseless verbiage. It is the opposite of informed public discourse and helps leave the poison floating around in the atmosphere.
Glenn

Bellevue, WA

#11 Oct 6, 2012
HIM wrote:
The bov needs to go, this is a really old and nonworking way of running our taxpayer money.
Can you imagine all the stuff we don't know about. This link says it all but the detail would be to lengthy for this forum. The outrageous expense account is a "saving face" instrument to assert their worthyness that such pompus power is something you are not only going to take but pay for in student tuition. However, who voted for those who appointed such people. They are equally responsible.
Glenn

Bellevue, WA

#13 Oct 7, 2012
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than to put those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell

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