Gun Violence Falls in VA, Firearm Sal...

Gun Violence Falls in VA, Firearm Sales Up

There are 657 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Nov 24, 2012, titled Gun Violence Falls in VA, Firearm Sales Up. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

An analysis shows gun-related violence has fallen steadily since 2006 in Virginia despite record firearm sales.

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Figured it out

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Nov 24, 2012
Obviously this is good news, but the homicide rate is still far too high.

You are five times more likely to be murdered in Virginia than you are in England.

It really does not matter what tool is being used to kill, the problem is too much killing.
JCS

Free Union, VA

#2 Nov 24, 2012
Gun Violence in Falls in VA, Firearm Sales Up.
Not sure what this really means: Should it be "Gun Violence Falls in VA, Firearms Sales Up"?
J Scott

Crozet, VA

#3 Nov 24, 2012
Figured it out wrote:
Obviously this is good news, but the homicide rate is still far too high.
You are five times more likely to be murdered in Virginia than you are in England.
It really does not matter what tool is being used to kill, the problem is too much killing.
Having lived there for a number of years, people have respect for each other. It's something that lacking in this country.
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#4 Nov 24, 2012
JCS wrote:
Gun Violence in Falls in VA, Firearm Sales Up.
Not sure what this really means: Should it be "Gun Violence Falls in VA, Firearms Sales Up"?
obviously people falling down with guns are killing each other less
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#5 Nov 24, 2012
Figured it out wrote:
Obviously this is good news, but the homicide rate is still far too high.
You are five times more likely to be murdered in Virginia than you are in England.
It really does not matter what tool is being used to kill, the problem is too much killing.
The only reason for a lower homicide rate in the UK is because the victims of violent crime have neither the right nor the ability to fend off assailants with a credible defense.
In the U.S., on the other hand, attackers soon learn the hard way.
In whatever case, the UK is a far more violent place than the U.S. by every measure.
ComeOnScents

Charlottesville, VA

#6 Nov 24, 2012
Figured it out wrote:
Obviously this is good news, but the homicide rate is still far too high.
You are five times more likely to be murdered in Virginia than you are in England.
It really does not matter what tool is being used to kill, the problem is too much killing.
You are more likely to be killed in "Gun Free" Washington DC, as a tourist, than an active duty soldier serving in Iraq. AND...., Eng-a-land or the rest of Europe does not enjoy the racial diversity that Virginia, or many cities in the US currently display; therefore, your comparison is not accurate.
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Nov 24, 2012
This country is slowly evolving but its still gonna take time. Europe has seen the error of its ways letting any idiot with a pulse own firearms. One need only look at the numbers to see that this nation needs to take a much different view on firearms. Thr second amendment was not enacted for idots to carry concealed guns that end up many times killing innocents. Our cops are doing enough of that already. Neanderthals talk about their rights while forgetting every body elses. But thats Ok, eventually we'll catch up with Europe and we'll prying guns from the hands of old fat white guys.

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Feed the Poor

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Nov 24, 2012
Criminals are even smart enough to know that they should mind themselves if they think the person they are about to assail might be armed. This story does not surprise me.
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Nov 24, 2012
Feed the Poor wrote:
Criminals are even smart enough to know that they should mind themselves if they think the person they are about to assail might be armed. This story does not surprise me.
Its that thinking that gets innocent people killed, just ask Zimmerman, as is usual he didn't think and someone died, even after the cops told him to mind his own business.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

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Don't Tread On Me

#10 Nov 24, 2012
thinking free wrote:
<quoted text>Its that thinking that gets innocent people killed, just ask Zimmerman, as is usual he didn't think and someone died, even after the cops told him to mind his own business.
Not a single cop told him that .

Nice try.
Crazy

Ruckersville, VA

#11 Nov 24, 2012
Update.....if England or any European country is you cup of tea, catch a plane and fly! No one needs you here. That is the beauty of this work everyone can go somewhere they think is so great, America isnt perfect, but America doesn't need to be like anyone, idiots with guns ran the English off to have our rights so, why go back tring to emulate them

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Don't Tread On Me

#12 Nov 24, 2012
Figured it out wrote:
Obviously this is good news, but the homicide rate is still far too high.
You are five times more likely to be murdered in Virginia than you are in England.
It really does not matter what tool is being used to kill, the problem is too much killing.
Years ago the British government changed the way they compile statistics to make crime look less violent.

A true comparison is impossible.
Figured it out

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Nov 24, 2012
ComeOnScents wrote:
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You are more likely to be killed in "Gun Free" Washington DC, as a tourist, than an active duty soldier serving in Iraq. AND...., Eng-a-land or the rest of Europe does not enjoy the racial diversity that Virginia, or many cities in the US currently display; therefore, your comparison is not accurate.
I have to presume you've never been to London, or Birmingham or any other English city? Either that, or your only experience has been two weeks vacation in the home counties.

Virginia is 75% white. London 70%. That 70% also includes a substantial number of white Eastern Europeans, further adding to the diversity of the ethnic makeup. Cities like Birmingham are more diverse still.

Even looking at the ethnicity of England as a whole, you still only get 80% of the population being white and of British origin.

So stop trying to blame ethnicity for the homicide problem. When you look at the facts your claim doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny.
Figured it out

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Nov 24, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>Years ago the British government changed the way they compile statistics to make crime look less violent.
A true comparison is impossible.
That might hold water for violent crime. It does not for homicide. Death it typically pretty straightforward to ascertain. Despite socialized healthcare, I think even NHS doctors can work that one out.
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#16 Nov 24, 2012
thinking free wrote:
<quoted text>Its that thinking that gets innocent people killed, just ask Zimmerman, as is usual he didn't think and someone died, even after the cops told him to mind his own business.
WRONG! It's YOUR brand of thinking which get's people killed.
If Mr. Zimmerman had not been armed, then likely he would have been murdered at the hands of slug who pounding his head into the pavement.
Would that have been okay by you?
And BTW, if Zimmerman witnessed a rape in progress, and the cops told him to 'mind your own business,' should he have just driven away?
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Nov 24, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
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"This country is slowly evolving but its still gonna take time. Europe has seen the error of its ways letting any idiot with a pulse own firearms."
You know nothing, but pretend to know everything.
In many places of Europe, the population is changing, with more elements of foreign races and religions entering the equation. If the EU zone had the same population statistics as the U.S., then the EU would have identical problems.
The whole issue which you seemingly go out of your way to avoid is the one culture.
In a settled monoculture, where the expectations and understandings have been imbued for centuries, there is hardly any violent crime.
If your prognostications were to have any kind of validity, then Switzerland would be the murder capitol of the world, inasmuch as most households have at least on machine gun with ammunition stored for immediate access.
Even though there are three separate languages spoken by the Swiss, their culture is settled. The influx of newcomers has been rather small, and that same cultural quotient also exists for Norway, Sweden, and Finland as well.
So, your opinionated attempt to toss **** at the wall hoping for some of it to stick has shown you to be disingenuous.
" Thr second amendment was not enacted for idots to carry concealed guns that end up many times killing innocents."
More inveterate ignorance! In the time of your nation's founders, men and women walked about with guns, and there were none of your pretend problems. I the rest of America were to take your advice, the violence would skyrocket. This is so because upwards of 2.5 million times each year, guns are used for self-defense, and most time are never discharged because the assailant flees.
"killing innocents. Our cops are doing enough of that already. Neanderthals talk about their rights while forgetting every body elses."
Of what rights do you speak? How is anyone carrying a gun for self-defense offending any of your rights?
Having studied MR Freud even I know he didn't twist the truth like you do, your perceptions only serves to support your perverted views of the second amendment. The rest of your statements are false but no matter, its you perception that is wrong headed. Do you actually know what the second amendment was enacted to protect? Probably not.
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#18 Nov 24, 2012
Figured it out wrote:
<quoted text>
I have to presume you've never been to London, or Birmingham or any other English city? Either that, or your only experience has been two weeks vacation in the home counties.
Virginia is 75% white. London 70%. That 70% also includes a substantial number of white Eastern Europeans, further adding to the diversity of the ethnic makeup. Cities like Birmingham are more diverse still.
Even looking at the ethnicity of England as a whole, you still only get 80% of the population being white and of British origin.
So stop trying to blame ethnicity for the homicide problem. When you look at the facts your claim doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny.
Back before the 1920's, the people of the UK could keep and bear arms. It was only after the labour union troubles, and the increased influence of the agents from the Soviet Union who were instigating trouble that the powers that be decided to 'tighten up' the matter of gun keeping.
Later in the 1930's that situation got worse, and more controls were added. But even still there were many instances of citizens lending their pistols to Bobbies on the spot when in hot pursuit of a violent criminal.
The fact was just this: Even though there were labour troubles, the violence with guns hardly existed at all. In fact it wasn't until after WWII, when there began much immigration from the territories that violent crime began to become significant to worry over.
So, if you're going to pretend to possess any degree of knowledge on the matter, then do yourself a very BIG favour: Catch up on history.
OSOK

Bronx, NY

#19 Nov 24, 2012
The 2nd Amendment was to enable the citizenry to protect itself from a tyrannical government. Think about it. Firearms work well for hunting, and are equally effective in protecting yourself from crime, just don't forget the actual intent.
thinking free wrote:
This country is slowly evolving but its still gonna take time. Europe has seen the error of its ways letting any idiot with a pulse own firearms. One need only look at the numbers to see that this nation needs to take a much different view on firearms. Thr second amendment was not enacted for idots to carry concealed guns that end up many times killing innocents. Our cops are doing enough of that already. Neanderthals talk about their rights while forgetting every body elses. But thats Ok, eventually we'll catch up with Europe and we'll prying guns from the hands of old fat white guys.
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#21 Nov 24, 2012
Figured it out wrote:
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That might hold water for violent crime. It does not for homicide. Death it typically pretty straightforward to ascertain. Despite socialized healthcare, I think even NHS doctors can work that one out.
Once again: YOU are INCORRECT!
Both the UK, and Australia, list homicide as being either Murder, or manslaughter. The cops have their choice in the matter, and it has been demonstrated that given the chance, the Chiefs of Police will default to manslaughter, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, thereby keeping the murder statistics artificially low.

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Waynesboro, VA

#22 Nov 24, 2012
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."-RAH

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