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There are 17 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Sep 15, 2012, titled CARS Open House Kicks Off Annual Fund Drive - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sports and Wea.... In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

On Saturday, the Charlottesville-Albemarle Rescue Squad gave people an up close look at what they do to save lives.

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Think Again

Forest Park, GA

#1 Sep 16, 2012
I pay for health insurance, health insurance covers transport via ambulance. Please bill my insurance rather than asking me to donate to funds you can capture elsewhere. And asking for tax payer money when you refuse to bill my insurance is crazy! Thank you to all those that volunteer, it IS the ultimate gift, but your administrators need to think again!
Top Flight

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Sep 16, 2012
"Think Again" would be well advised to look at the operational protocol for the "Cost Recovery" program. When you have Albemarle County Fire/Rescue directing the program, where do you think the greater precentage of the funds will go? I believe the citizens of Charlottesville and Albemarle are being very well served by the Charlottesville/Albemarle Volunteer Rescue Squad! You should know that there are some VERY GOOD people who have reviewed all aspects of the transport recovery program and believe that NOT using the program is a better choice. I hope that all those reading this will look hard at the program and understand that it's manangement and ultimate use of available funds have very distinct limits. The Squad's fund drive IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE the best "deal" that our local citizens can contribute to in any given year. Please allow these people to continue with the level of service that they provide and give to them and know your funds will be directed to only their organization!
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Sep 16, 2012
Another first responder organization that has learned how to throw away money. Jesus, every time I turn around there's a CARS vehicle is parked in someones driveway. Does CARES give responders vehicles for personal use? it sure looks that way. And why doesn't CARS have a unit stationed on Ridge ST, the most logical place for a unit or units to be and no ones home. Used to be a good place to support in Cville and people did, year after year, now its turned into a black hole for money. Management has screwed the pooch with CARS, not unexpected though, run by a bunch of old fat white guys who probably have their own CARS vehicles.
ABC123

Charlottesville, VA

#4 Sep 16, 2012
thinking free wrote:
Another first responder organization that has learned how to throw away money. Jesus, every time I turn around there's a CARS vehicle is parked in someones driveway. Does CARES give responders vehicles for personal use? it sure looks that way. And why doesn't CARS have a unit stationed on Ridge ST, the most logical place for a unit or units to be and no ones home. Used to be a good place to support in Cville and people did, year after year, now its turned into a black hole for money. Management has screwed the pooch with CARS, not unexpected though, run by a bunch of old fat white guys who probably have their own CARS vehicles.
When certain personnel are on call they take one of the zone cars to their home or place of business. It is not their personal vehicle and it is not given to them for private use -it is only to be used in their capacity of being an on-call responder.
Amy McMahon

Charlottesville, VA

#5 Sep 16, 2012
thinking free wrote:
Another first responder organization that has learned how to throw away money. Jesus, every time I turn around there's a CARS vehicle is parked in someones driveway. Does CARES give responders vehicles for personal use? it sure looks that way. And why doesn't CARS have a unit stationed on Ridge ST, the most logical place for a unit or units to be and no ones home. Used to be a good place to support in Cville and people did, year after year, now its turned into a black hole for money. Management has screwed the pooch with CARS, not unexpected though, run by a bunch of old fat white guys who probably have their own CARS vehicles.
You know so little yet you talk so big!

Based on C-ARS' website, they only have a limited number of cars.
So, you must be seeing these over and over and over in different's people driveway when they are on-duty
If I am wrong, prove it and tell me where you are seeing all these cars and which car it is

Also, if you look at the response area of C-ARS, they response to the entire city of Charlottesville, Albemarle County up 29N to Hilton Heights, and down 29S to the border of Albemarle County as well as east toward Keswick and the eastern end of the county and west toward Ivy. Based on their 1st due, their location is most optimal all these areas.

C-ARS also serve as second due for Station 5, 11, and 12 which extends them to North of the County, South toward Scottsville , and west toward the western end of the county.

C-ARS is third due for Station 7.
Cville

Charlottesville, VA

#6 Sep 16, 2012
thinking free wrote:
Another first responder organization that has learned how to throw away money. Jesus, every time I turn around there's a CARS vehicle is parked in someones driveway. Does CARES give responders vehicles for personal use? it sure looks that way. And why doesn't CARS have a unit stationed on Ridge ST, the most logical place for a unit or units to be and no ones home. Used to be a good place to support in Cville and people did, year after year, now its turned into a black hole for money. Management has screwed the pooch with CARS, not unexpected though, run by a bunch of old fat white guys who probably have their own CARS vehicles.
Whenever you see a vehicle parked in a driveway, rather than jumping to a negative conclusion, why don't you stop and chat with the first responder? You'll find that they are, in fact, on duty. Taking personal time to staff a car to provide a variety of support to the on duty crew. Only two people have a car full time - the chief and operating medical director, both of who are, by the way, volunteer, and on duty 24/7. Before espousing "black holes" and "old fat white guys", why don't you formulate a better argument quoting figures and not taking cheap shots. CARS consists of members of our community who selflessly and diligently serve us all. You're insulting your neighbors and coworkers when you run your mouth like this.
Top Flight

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Sep 16, 2012
I am always very dismayed by comments such as "thinking free"! The level of service provided by the Volunteer Fire and Rescue services here in Albemarle County is top tier. The general public, I think, really does know that the various vehicles that are seen in and around the county are being staffed for their benefit. I know for a fact that most Senior Fire staff and Rescue Medics have neighbors that see the vehicles all the time and those neighbors tell their friends about the work that these people do so when you have persons such as "thinking free" making these statements, I believe that the remaining cadre of citizens know better regardless. It goes without saying that the results of these people who staff these vehicles is very positive. I only wish that I could site the many examples that demonstrate this point. Suffice it to say, there are many people alive and with their families today as a result of the vehicles and their Fire or Rescue personel on board.
Interesting

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Sep 17, 2012
Has anyone ever listened to radio traffic when Rescue 1 has an empty building and an ACFR ambulance is asked to respond? If not, here's what you're missing ..... CARS will IN FACT delay patient care by putting the ACFR ambulance back in service while they "do a quick turnaround at the hospital" - meaning they've already dealing with one patient, they are going to get rid on them rather than a customer friendly transition of care just so an ACFR ambulance won't repond. Don't believe me, just listen here - http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/... There's a definate pattern, likely a directive. And well said, "Think Again".
UVA

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Sep 17, 2012
"Interesting" clearly does not understand the local EMS system. CARS places the ACFR units from 11 or 12 in service as it is usually quicker for CARS to do a quick turn around and get to the call than it is to pull a station 11 or station 12 ACFR unit into CARS' first due for the call. Even if it is equidistant, by using ACFR to run a CARS first due call, Station 11 or 12's first due becomes uncovered which means CARS is forced to take a second due call, if one occurs, in these areas. As a result further stresses are placed on the system.
"A quick turnaround" is not a dumping of the patient. What it means is that CARS will not sit around at the hospital and write a patient report and if need be will request a nurse immediately in order to transfer patient care due to a pending call.
By clearing from the hospital immediately for a pending call rather than sitting for over thirty minutes like ACFR frequently do and relying on a second due unit, CARS ensures the most efficient response to calls in its first due.
Interesting wrote:
Has anyone ever listened to radio traffic when Rescue 1 has an empty building and an ACFR ambulance is asked to respond? If not, here's what you're missing ..... CARS will IN FACT delay patient care by putting the ACFR ambulance back in service while they "do a quick turnaround at the hospital" - meaning they've already dealing with one patient, they are going to get rid on them rather than a customer friendly transition of care just so an ACFR ambulance won't repond. Don't believe me, just listen here - http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/... There's a definate pattern, likely a directive. And well said, "Think Again".
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Sep 17, 2012
Way too much infrastructure for a cow town. And no one addressed the issue of not a single CARS unit stationed at 5th ST which means the first responder to a scene in that area is a freaking fire engine, whens the last time a person was transported to UVA in fire engine? No one wants to talk about that cause its an internal turf war between CARS and the fire department, and who suffers the consequences of that ego non sense?
Finally

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Sep 17, 2012
Finally, someone said what needed to be said!-
Think Again wrote:
I pay for health insurance, health insurance covers transport via ambulance. Please bill my insurance rather than asking me to donate to funds you can capture elsewhere. And asking for tax payer money when you refuse to bill my insurance is crazy! Thank you to all those that volunteer, it IS the ultimate gift, but your administrators need to think again!
Amy McMahon

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Sep 17, 2012
Interesting wrote:
Has anyone ever listened to radio traffic when Rescue 1 has an empty building and an ACFR ambulance is asked to respond? If not, here's what you're missing ..... CARS will IN FACT delay patient care by putting the ACFR ambulance back in service while they "do a quick turnaround at the hospital" - meaning they've already dealing with one patient, they are going to get rid on them rather than a customer friendly transition of care just so an ACFR ambulance won't repond. Don't believe me, just listen here - http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/... There's a definate pattern, likely a directive. And well said, "Think Again".
Radio junkie--
Other than just listening to the radio, have you ever looked at how the system functions from how calls are dispatched based on 1st due, 2nd due, and 3rd due to the "quick turnaround" at the hospital? Or, have you looked at the distances involved when responding to a call? If not, you probably should do some more research before spewing up crap.

Here's an example that have happened--
Scottsville is in Fluvanna. The Monticello unit is in Scottsville. 2 C-ARS unit is in the city. 1 C-ARS unit is in Monticello's first due. Another call rolls out in Monticello's first due. Dispatch will skip Monticello's station and it will tone C-ARS directly since the Monticello area becomes C-ARS first due when it has no unit. Since C-ARS is empty as well, it will tone the "empty building" tone and roll to the next available station, Hollymead. Hollymead will respond. It will take anywhere between 8-12 minutes to get to the city depending on traffic and another 5-8 minute to get to Monticello's first due. If C-ARS can clear from the hospital (that is turning patient care to the nurse, not just dumping the patient at the door, and load and make the stretcher) in under the time it takes Hollymead to get to the city, it will place Hollymead in service and roll its unit. What does this equate to? It actually lowers response time since C-ARS will just cover the distance to Monticello's first due even though it started let's say six minutes late which is already time lost since Hollymead needs to take the time to get into the city.
Amy McMahon

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Sep 17, 2012
thinking free wrote:
Way too much infrastructure for a cow town. And no one addressed the issue of not a single CARS unit stationed at 5th ST which means the first responder to a scene in that area is a freaking fire engine, whens the last time a person was transported to UVA in fire engine? No one wants to talk about that cause its an internal turf war between CARS and the fire department, and who suffers the consequences of that ego non sense?
Go speak with C-ARS and the Fire Department and see how much "turf war" there is.
There is a number of times I see the Fire Department hanging out at C-ARS and C-ARS hanging out at the Fire Department. Is that them duking it out?
Money

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Sep 17, 2012
Bill. My. Insurance.
Be For Real

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Sep 17, 2012
When talking about the front lines, you are right --- but you're VERY wrong at the administrative level where the decisions are made and where the FUNDING decisions are made -
Amy McMahon wrote:
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Go speak with C-ARS and the Fire Department and see how much "turf war" there is.
There is a number of times I see the Fire Department hanging out at C-ARS and C-ARS hanging out at the Fire Department. Is that them duking it out?
Local View 9

Madison, VA

#16 Sep 17, 2012
If you want to be billed for ambulances, fine. Just pay the deductible when you get the bill. Mine is now $150.00 (Which in the past 3 years has gone from none, to 100 to 150 now). The insurance companies are adjusting rates now in the area to recover the money they are paying for billed services. Insurance companies are like the casinos, they stack the odds in there favor.
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Sep 17, 2012
Amy McMahon wrote:
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Go speak with C-ARS and the Fire Department and see how much "turf war" there is.
There is a number of times I see the Fire Department hanging out at C-ARS and C-ARS hanging out at the Fire Department. Is that them duking it out?
The turf war I speak of was pointed out to me by a past mayor who broached the question himself to the powers that be, those that run the show have a different agenda than the public good, the fact that there is no rescue squad posted on 5th street is the proof. Undeniable proof.

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