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Albemarle Schools Discuss School Bus Cameras

There are 41 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from May 9, 2013, titled Albemarle Schools Discuss School Bus Cameras. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Dozens of people in Albemarle County are illegally driving their vehicles around school buses - according to what cameras on two buses showed in a pilot study conducted by the schools.

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Student Safety

Crozet, VA

#21 May 10, 2013
"A person:"

This program is cost-neutral at worst. Companies in this business provide the cameras, and revenues from the violations would be shared between the company and the County. Our police department would incur some costs to review the video and certify the violation, but revenues should exceed those costs.

It seems you want an Albemarle child to be hurt before taking lawful steps to prosecute violators......
A person

Buckingham, VA

#22 May 10, 2013
Student Safety wrote:
"A person:"
This program is cost-neutral at worst. Companies in this business provide the cameras, and revenues from the violations would be shared between the company and the County. Our police department would incur some costs to review the video and certify the violation, but revenues should exceed those costs.
It seems you want an Albemarle child to be hurt before taking lawful steps to prosecute violators......
What company in a recession would willingly do this without knowing the margins on this project? Without any data of any kind they have no way of knowing if they will make X in Y years or Z in U years, etc..and on top of that the County gets half of the revenue. That is just stealing. If the County thinks this would be beneficial to society and wants a private company to provide the equipment, then the company should get 100% of the profits, and in turn, you and the County get the peace of mind of having nice little cameras on our buses. There is nothing else to discuss -

Except for your answer to my question: How many accidents on record in last 5 years? I'm guessing zero.
A person

Buckingham, VA

#23 May 10, 2013
No, I don't want children getting hurt.

I just don't believe in frivoulous spending to "prevent" something that is not even happening. This isn't the 90s - we actually have to use real budgets and make smart money decisions these days.
A person

Buckingham, VA

#24 May 10, 2013
This issue is a perfect example of how a liberal, collectively inclined mind works. It's just the "flavor of the week" - It's always some frivolous issue that they work themselves up with.

They will work themselves into a rage about it and then the idea will die......w/ no support. Next month it will be some new excuse for wasteful spending, like someone will get beat up on the Downtown Mall and they will demand we need "cameras on the pavillion" etc...

It's like the Redskins name change. Virtually all Native American tribes are loud advocats of KEEPING the name - the only ones who want it changed are white, liberal democrats who assume they know what the tribes feel and want.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#25 May 10, 2013
A person wrote:
No, I don't want children getting hurt.
I just don't believe in frivoulous spending to "prevent" something that is not even happening. This isn't the 90s - we actually have to use real budgets and make smart money decisions these days.
wow patriot, you must have to drive behind a bus everyday
being against this is the ultimate in selfishness I'd say

https://www.google.com/search...
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#26 May 10, 2013
must be tough out there getting to that next house sale
Alb Resident

Silver Spring, MD

#27 May 10, 2013
Real estate taxes were just increased as schools needed more money, we were told it was a no frills budget and every cent was needed. We went along with his without much complaining. Now they have enough money for bus cameras? I am sick and tired of being lied to by our leaders! You better believe that I will be attending future BOS meetings when the school budget is being discussed. Take the money they want to spend on cameras and buy classroom supplies,
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#28 May 10, 2013
A person wrote:
No, I don't want children getting hurt.
I just don't believe in frivoulous spending to "prevent" something that is not even happening. This isn't the 90s - we actually have to use real budgets and make smart money decisions these days.
if you do it right, there is no taxpayer cost
http://www.milfordmirror.com/5315/school-bus-...

http://www.dallaspolice.net/dpdinfo/stoparm.h...

deaths of kids getting off the bus are few, only 19/yr nationwide, but why are you putting a cost/benefit analysis on a common sense situation; don't pass the bus or you might hit a kid! Why would you want to get away with that?

This type of me-first mentality has brought us the no background checks at gun shows, or no hope of high magazine or assault weapon ban because that woman in the atlanta closet should have god given 2nd amendment right to pump 30 instead of just 5 bullets into that poor sod.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#29 May 10, 2013
Maybe they should have cameras that catch bus drivers going thru red lights. Caught two of them in one week racing through the light at Eliot and Ridge. Reported one but officials weren't interested. Saw one driver just yesterday destroy a school bus by backing into a guard rail. L my A off. No kids on board. Female driver, no spacial relationship.
A person

Charlottesville, VA

#30 May 10, 2013
sez you wrote:
Maybe they should have cameras that catch bus drivers going thru red lights. Caught two of them in one week racing through the light at Eliot and Ridge. Reported one but officials weren't interested. Saw one driver just yesterday destroy a school bus by backing into a guard rail. L my A off. No kids on board. Female driver, no spacial relationship.
I saw a bus driver WITH CHILDREN run a red light at the 29 intersection at Walgreens near the airport. It was morning school rush and it was not even close - It was so bad I called the County.

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#31 May 10, 2013
huck wrote:
<quoted text>
wow patriot, you must have to drive behind a bus everyday
being against this is the ultimate in selfishness I'd say
https://www.google.com/search...
Not me, I don't feel the need to use another blog name.
Jest

Chase City, VA

#32 May 10, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Wondering why you are online reading this when you should be in class? Perhaps mom/dad wrote on your behalf as does not sound like a teenager?
Maybe you're just a moron who didn't pay attention in school?
Liberalace

Kents Store, VA

#33 May 11, 2013
huck wrote:
<quoted text>
wow patriot, you must have to drive behind a bus everyday
being against this is the ultimate in selfishness I'd say
https://www.google.com/search...
That's comical huck. Leave it to the bedwetters to use the old "If it will prevent one death, it is worth it." when the chances are--okay class, let's do some more math (rough math...I'm being pretty conservative here)....
25 million kids get on and off school buses in the USA every morning and afternoon
180 school days x 2 on/offs per day x 25 million = 9 billion on/offs per year in the US
Now, if 19 kids are killed each year, let's say half of those are due to someone blowing past a school bus (some incidents are not because of unlawful activity...some bus driver error, child error, etc.).
So, the chances are around 1 in 1,000,000,000 that a child will be killed.

Now, for the "revenue neutral" issue. That is bogus. In order for it to be revenue neutral, there must be revenue coming in. The only way revenue comes in is for people to continue breaking the law. If they keep breaking the law, the chances still exist for a kid to get struck. Howeverr, now, the chances might be 1 in 2 billion versus 1 in 1 billion. Still, statistically, little or no chance.

In short, this program is not worth it. My solution would be as follows: Since this is a frill benefit and not related to "educating for the good of the community," figure the cost of the program and charge only parents with kids who ride school buses versus taking the funds out of county tax coffers.

Let's say the program costs $500k to install. If 5,000 kids ride school buses, then parents pay a $100/kid surcharge. Retired Old Man Numbnuts down the road should not be paying for what is, in effect, a needless program.

R.I.P.: Marty Hudtloff's broadcast career
Liberalace

Kents Store, VA

#34 May 11, 2013
Student Safety wrote:
"A person:"
This program is cost-neutral at worst. Companies in this business provide the cameras, and revenues from the violations would be shared between the company and the County. Our police department would incur some costs to review the video and certify the violation, but revenues should exceed those costs.
It seems you want an Albemarle child to be hurt before taking lawful steps to prosecute violators......
Well gee, if we really want kids to not get hurt, then there would be no revenue from this because no one would break the law.

M.I.A.: Dennis Rooker's cranial rat
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#35 May 11, 2013
Liberalace wrote:
<quoted text>

Now, for the "revenue neutral" issue. That is bogus.
"The added benefit of the school bus surveillance program, Deane said, is that system is installed at no cost to the county and the locality receives approximately one-third of the fine charged to recorded offenders."

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/albem...
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#36 May 11, 2013
lotta impatient bus passers here
if you aren't in the habit of doing so then you won't get your picture taken, simple as that
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#37 May 11, 2013
Liberalace wrote:
<quoted text>
That's comical huck. Leave it to the bedwetters to use the old "If it will prevent one death, it is worth it." when the chances are--okay class, let's do some more math (rough math...I'm being pretty conservative here)....
25 million kids get on and off school buses in the USA every morning and afternoon
180 school days x 2 on/offs per day x 25 million = 9 billion on/offs per year in the US
Now, if 19 kids are killed each year, let's say half of those are due to someone blowing past a school bus (some incidents are not because of unlawful activity...some bus driver error, child error, etc.).
So, the chances are around 1 in 1,000,000,000 that a child will be killed.
Now, for the "revenue neutral" issue. That is bogus. In order for it to be revenue neutral, there must be revenue coming in. The only way revenue comes in is for people to continue breaking the law. If they keep breaking the law, the chances still exist for a kid to get struck. Howeverr, now, the chances might be 1 in 2 billion versus 1 in 1 billion. Still, statistically, little or no chance.
In short, this program is not worth it. My solution would be as follows: Since this is a frill benefit and not related to "educating for the good of the community," figure the cost of the program and charge only parents with kids who ride school buses versus taking the funds out of county tax coffers.
Let's say the program costs $500k to install. If 5,000 kids ride school buses, then parents pay a $100/kid surcharge. Retired Old Man Numbnuts down the road should not be paying for what is, in effect, a needless program.
R.I.P.: Marty Hudtloff's broadcast career
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, so maybe 19 kids killed every year as result of idiots passing school buses and the bed wetters want to put cameras on buses. HMMMMMMMMMMM, so 100 times that many kids get killed every year by guns, where are the bed wetters there?
real central va Marine

Crozet, VA

#38 May 13, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmmmmmmmmmm, so maybe 19 kids killed every year as result of idiots passing school buses and the bed wetters want to put cameras on buses. HMMMMMMMMMMM, so 100 times that many kids get killed every year by guns, where are the bed wetters there?
You want to put guns on buses too?
Thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#39 May 13, 2013
real central va Marine wrote:
<quoted text>You want to put guns on buses too?
Not the point Einstein, but I'm sure you would be all for it. You need to spend more time asking yourself why more combat troops in Afghanistan are dying from suicide rather than conbat. You know, all those brave hereos we send over there to fight terrorists?
real central va Marine

Crozet, VA

#40 May 13, 2013
Thinking free wrote:
<quoted text>Not the point Einstein, but I'm sure you would be all for it. You need to spend more time asking yourself why more combat troops in Afghanistan are dying from suicide rather than conbat. You know, all those brave hereos we send over there to fight terrorists?
It tells me their combat training is doing its job. Not so for their home training. They need to spend more time in boot camp going through sensitivity training and self esteem building (sarcasm)...that way they could deal with combat. But when society tells them that everyone gets a trophy, no one loses, you are not responsible for your actions, fathers are not important, it's okay to kill unborn infants, grab what you can get away with not deserve or work for........you get a bunch of "video warriors" who are not equipped for the psyhological stresses that combat entails. As Jack Nicholson's character said "You can't handle the truth". An acquaintance once said, "we're raising a generation of wussies". Looks like they were right.

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