Charlottesville Homeless Survey Reveals New Findings

Recently compiled information about the Charlottesville area's homeless is providing a clearer picture about what's happening on the streets of the community. Full Story
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#21 Mar 5, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Since you appear to be informed, is it possible for you to list the criteria which is used (like that 'Deb' mentions) when determining what categorizes a child as homeless?
It's defined by the McKinney-Vento Act as being a person who lacks “fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence”.

So it is possible to have some form of roof over your head and still be homeless. At least that's the way the US Government, Supreme Court and I think anyone with an ounce of compassion would see it.
Deb

Charlottesville, VA

#23 Mar 5, 2013
To clarify what I had written, the children I wrote about, as described by the homeless advocate, were the lucky kids. By definition they were homeless but they did have a warm, dry place to sleep and someone to take care of them. Even though it's something we would like to think doesn't exist, we all know there are kids who do live in some very bad situations. Sometimes it's the result of circumstances their parents or guardians never thought they would be in, down to the lowest people on the spectrum who because of irresponsibility and bad behavior, drag their kids through heck and onto the streets with them.

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#24 Mar 5, 2013
The real question that should be asked is; how did they get to their current position in life?
Dude

Winchester, VA

#25 Mar 5, 2013
More to say wrote:
<quoted text>
It's defined by the McKinney-Vento Act as being a person who lacks “fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence”.
So it is possible to have some form of roof over your head and still be homeless. At least that's the way the US Government, Supreme Court and I think anyone with an ounce of compassion would see it.
I responded earlier, and it didn't appear. If it does, sorry for the dupe. Thank you , that's informative and helpful. There's not much empathy on the internet where anonymity allows us to be our inner arseholes, when most of hypocrites pretend to actually be decent human beings when others are watching.
Jane

Charlottesville, VA

#26 Mar 5, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
The real question that should be asked is; how did they get to their current position in life?
Some people get to their current position because they're just plain old lowlife individuals who do nothing to help themselves. BUT, there are some homeless who never saw themselves in that position. The woman who never thought the husband she married for love would become a totally different animal, a beater and controller. It's hard for most of us to believe we would feel our children are safer in a strange town sleeping in a car than at home with an absusive father but it does happen. The young father who has worked hard, but suddenly finds himself out of a job and no fancy severance package to tide him and his family over until he can find another job. Takes awhile to be foreclosed on, but doesn't take a long time to be evicted when the landlord's not getting the rent. I have no sympathy for the lowlifes not all homeless fit that category.

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#27 Mar 5, 2013
Jane wrote:
<quoted text>Some people get to their current position because they're just plain old lowlife individuals who do nothing to help themselves. BUT, there are some homeless who never saw themselves in that position. The woman who never thought the husband she married for love would become a totally different animal, a beater and controller. It's hard for most of us to believe we would feel our children are safer in a strange town sleeping in a car than at home with an absusive father but it does happen. The young father who has worked hard, but suddenly finds himself out of a job and no fancy severance package to tide him and his family over until he can find another job. Takes awhile to be foreclosed on, but doesn't take a long time to be evicted when the landlord's not getting the rent. I have no sympathy for the lowlifes not all homeless fit that category.
You still need to dig a little deeper, beyond the lowlifes. The truth may be painful to accept but most people become homeless because of bad decisions. And unfortunately bad decisions come with bad consequences.

The girl who finds out her husband was an animal: did she wait long enough to get to know him before she got married? Does she know where he came from? Or who his family is? Did he have a good track record before they got married? Was she really ready to get married? Did she prepare for the future?

Did the young father who suddenly finds himself out of a job; did he save anything for a rainy day? Was he living beyond his means?

And of course were any of these people alcoholics? Are they drug users? Did they make a bad decision to steal something when they were younger that gave them a criminal record? Did he or she get someone pregnant or did she get pregnant before they were prepared to raise a child financially?

There are a multitude of reasons as to why someone ends up homeless and depending on others for their survival but until you dig deep and find a common thread, the problem will never be solved. But many of our politicians and citizens today only react to treat the symptoms without looking for a cure.
Dude

Winchester, VA

#28 Mar 5, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You still need to dig a little deeper, beyond the lowlifes. The truth may be painful to accept but most people become homeless because of bad decisions. And unfortunately bad decisions come with bad consequences.
The girl who finds out her husband was an animal: did she wait long enough to get to know him before she got married? Does she know where he came from? Or who his family is? Did he have a good track record before they got married? Was she really ready to get married? Did she prepare for the future?
Did the young father who suddenly finds himself out of a job; did he save anything for a rainy day? Was he living beyond his means?
And of course were any of these people alcoholics? Are they drug users? Did they make a bad decision to steal something when they were younger that gave them a criminal record? Did he or she get someone pregnant or did she get pregnant before they were prepared to raise a child financially?
There are a multitude of reasons as to why someone ends up homeless and depending on others for their survival but until you dig deep and find a common thread, the problem will never be solved. But many of our politicians and citizens today only react to treat the symptoms without looking for a cure.
So, what you're saying is that nobody should do anything until they find a common thread even though you admit there are a multitude of reasons as to why someone ends up homeless? What do you suggest?
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#29 Mar 5, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>So, what you're saying is that nobody should do anything until they find a common thread even though you admit there are a multitude of reasons as to why someone ends up homeless? What do you suggest?
run em out of town, of course

OKC

Since: Mar 13

Charlottesville, VA

#30 Mar 5, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Since you appear to be informed, is it possible for you to list the criteria which is used (like that 'Deb' mentions) when determining what categorizes a child as homeless?
Absolutely. The definitions are actually much more difficult than one might realize. We'll post them here shortly.

OKC

Since: Mar 13

Charlottesville, VA

#31 Mar 5, 2013
For specific legalese, see http://www2.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/ot...

Definition of homeless youths/children includes those who

(A) lack a fixed residence -

(i) share the housing of other persons due to loss of housing, economic hardship, or a similar reason are living in motels, hotels, trailer parks, or camping grounds due to the lack of alternative adequate accommodations; are living in emergency or transitional shelters; are abandoned in hospitals; or are awaiting foster care placement;

(ii) has a primary nighttime residence that is a public or private place not designed for or ordinarily used as a regular sleeping accommodation for human beings

(iii) live in cars, parks, public spaces, abandoned buildings, substandard housing, bus or train stations, or similar settings; and

(iv) migratory children

Also included in the HUD definition are those who will immenently lose their current housing within 2 weeks, has no viable alternative, and lacks adequate resources to find an alternative

Besides homeless children, the following non-youths might be considered homeless:

1. Unaccompanied youth < 25 years old provided there are other major issues as well

2. Victim of violence, or attempted violence attempting to flee the conditions if they took place at the primary nighttime residence.
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#32 Mar 5, 2013
OKC wrote:
For specific legalese, see http://www2.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/ot...
Definition of homeless youths/children includes those who
(A) lack a fixed residence -
(i) share the housing of other persons due to loss of housing, economic hardship, or a similar reason are living in motels, hotels, trailer parks, or camping grounds due to the lack of alternative adequate accommodations; are living in emergency or transitional shelters; are abandoned in hospitals; or are awaiting foster care placement;
(ii) has a primary nighttime residence that is a public or private place not designed for or ordinarily used as a regular sleeping accommodation for human beings
(iii) live in cars, parks, public spaces, abandoned buildings, substandard housing, bus or train stations, or similar settings; and
(iv) migratory children
Also included in the HUD definition are those who will immenently lose their current housing within 2 weeks, has no viable alternative, and lacks adequate resources to find an alternative
Besides homeless children, the following non-youths might be considered homeless:
1. Unaccompanied youth < 25 years old provided there are other major issues as well
2. Victim of violence, or attempted violence attempting to flee the conditions if they took place at the primary nighttime residence.
Thank you OKC, so what can we (or those that would) do to help that will have the most impact that need it the most from those who are trying to better themselves? It would be helpful if you could list levels of involvement from least to most.

What's really sad about the children is that they become conditioned and undereducated. Those that have read my posts on this subject know that I have said, poverty begets poverty. If we can teach the kids, and recondition the adults, in the long run, it's more productive for all.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#33 Mar 5, 2013
Trying to lay a specific reason or reasons on why some become homeless is hopeless. Just too many variables to consider except the lack of bucks. Homelessness has been with us since the beginning. Its become an issue now because of the numbers and the experiences we have that are becoming more visible every day. Times are a changing, the opportunities in the work force are a fraction of what they were 30yrs ago. Families are no longer families but dysfunctional factions trying to get by. Why families no longer function is another topic but we're all aware of the effects of broken families. Thats just the beginning. Want to talk about the cost of living? The bottom line is the numbers of homeless will only increase every day, the solution? That be another topic also. So, how do we want to perceive the homeless? are they all bums? so some would believe, is it all their fault? so some would believe, its really easy to make assumptions about groups, we all do it, me too, but I try to take individuals one at a time and try, try to be objective, its difficult but a noble venture. Assessing blame here is just too easy.

OKC

Since: Mar 13

Charlottesville, VA

#34 Mar 7, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you OKC, so what can we (or those that would) do to help that will have the most impact that need it the most from those who are trying to better themselves? It would be helpful if you could list levels of involvement from least to most.
What's really sad about the children is that they become conditioned and undereducated. Those that have read my posts on this subject know that I have said, poverty begets poverty. If we can teach the kids, and recondition the adults, in the long run, it's more productive for all.
For those who would like to be more involved in the discussions around this issue, contact us @ http://www.okcollaborative.org/contact .
Dude

Winchester, VA

#35 Mar 7, 2013
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
For those who would like to be more involved in the discussions around this issue, contact us @ http://www.okcollaborative.org/contact .
This is a great graphic OKC, thanks.
http://www.okcollaborative.org/infographic/ho...

Homeless by the numbers:
38% woman
11% veterans (you would think a patriot would care about veterans)
7% children
9% victims of domestic abuse
4% senior citizen (kicking granny to the street?)
29% family

11% sleep outside

70% are homeless for less than two years.

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