Charlottesville Homeless Survey Reveals New Findings

Recently compiled information about the Charlottesville area's homeless is providing a clearer picture about what's happening on the streets of the community. Full Story
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Liberalace

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Mar 5, 2013
If anyone doubts that Chville's homeless problem is self-created by the "open arms" policy the libs employ in this town, check out these statistics:
75% of those polled have been here over two years.
66% of those polled have hometowns outside of Charlottesville.
3% of those polled lived in Chville before they became homeless.

Now, how reliable these stats are is another story since they are self-reported.

I find it also interesting that 71% of the homeless stated they do have a primary care physician. Makes you wonder if Obamacare is actually using decapitation to cure dandruff.

R.I.P.: Frank Zappa
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Mar 5, 2013
Liberalace wrote:
If anyone doubts that Chville's homeless problem is self-created by the "open arms" policy the libs employ in this town, check out these statistics:
75% of those polled have been here over two years.
66% of those polled have hometowns outside of Charlottesville.
3% of those polled lived in Chville before they became homeless.
Now, how reliable these stats are is another story since they are self-reported.
I find it also interesting that 71% of the homeless stated they do have a primary care physician. Makes you wonder if Obamacare is actually using decapitation to cure dandruff.
R.I.P.: Frank Zappa
how are those stats different than the general population, and what does Zappa have to do with it?

oh, btw, over 230 area children are identified as homeless, so chew on that
Amanda

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Mar 5, 2013
"It's children and families"? Really?

According to the respondents, 91 answered they were alone, 17 answered with a spouse, and only 10 answered with children (and 5 more with both).

While it is always tragic to have children on the streets and I don't want to make light of it, to insinuate anything other than the vast majority of homeless (based on this survey) are alone is very misleading.
ActionJackson

Bassett, VA

#4 Mar 5, 2013
So where are these 230 homeless children??? I look under bridges, look into trash bins, check the green spaces along Rt 250...just can't seem to find them. By the way, over the years I offererd many a "homeless person" or panhandler a job only to be looked at like I'm crazy! "you mean work man??"
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#5 Mar 5, 2013
Amanda wrote:
"It's children and families"? Really?
According to the respondents, 91 answered they were alone, 17 answered with a spouse, and only 10 answered with children (and 5 more with both).
While it is always tragic to have children on the streets and I don't want to make light of it, to insinuate anything other than the vast majority of homeless (based on this survey) are alone is very misleading.
where did they insinuate that?
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#6 Mar 5, 2013
ActionJackson wrote:
So where are these 230 homeless children??? I look under bridges, look into trash bins, check the green spaces along Rt 250...just can't seem to find them. By the way, over the years I offererd many a "homeless person" or panhandler a job only to be looked at like I'm crazy! "you mean work man??"
"The data shows that while some of the area's homeless live outside, a majority do not."

what do you see in trash bins?
More to say

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Mar 5, 2013
ActionJackson wrote:
So where are these 230 homeless children??? I look under bridges, look into trash bins, check the green spaces along Rt 250...just can't seem to find them. By the way, over the years I offererd many a "homeless person" or panhandler a job only to be looked at like I'm crazy! "you mean work man??"
perhaps because you have a totally screwed and prejudicial outlook as to what is homelessness.

The ones with kids are probably sleeping in cars, or perhaps an entire family in a single motel room with no cooking facilities, or moving from friend to friend to find somewhere they can sleep.

All the above still have no home of their own and are homeless. And all the above are living in a situation that is terrible for their children. Often their there through no fault of their own. Someone in the family got sick. Someone lost their job. Suddenly the bank was foreclosing and they had no money to rent a place, or their poor credit made renting next to impossible.

Many of them will also be working. It's a really small subset of the homeless that you see panhandling. Many are trying to get back on their feet. Trying desperately to get a roof back over their head. And folk like you, determined that you have no responsibility to help, who balk at an extra cent in your taxes while sitting down to dinner beside a warm fire.
Liberalace

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Mar 5, 2013
huck wrote:
<quoted text>
how are those stats different than the general population, and what does Zappa have to do with it?
oh, btw, over 230 area children are identified as homeless, so chew on that
Okay, huck, here goes (to let the cat out of the bag)...
Every one of my R.I.P.s has some tie-in to the story or post at hand. Often, it may be a "seventh-degrees-of-separ ation" brain teaser. I am trying to increase the already astronomical intelligence of our world class, nuanced, progressive community. You know, the types of folks who support Halfaday for Council or who voted for Dumler.

Anyway, the quote "trying to cure dandruff by decapitation" was attributed to Zappa when he testified in front of Tipper Gore et. al. in the 1980s as they did what most rich, bored housewives do: open Aboriginal Art Museums, start and bankrupt wineries (with their bored, rich third husbands), auction off their hat collections to raise money in their bankruptcy, or--of course--as Tipper did, try to use their husbands' influence to affect their idea of sound public policy.

R.I.P.: John Denver (I will give this one away...he also testified to congress during these quite silly hearings on obscenity in music).
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Mar 5, 2013
Liberalace wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, huck, here goes (to let the cat out of the bag)...
Every one of my R.I.P.s has some tie-in to the story or post at hand. Often, it may be a "seventh-degrees-of-separ ation" brain teaser. I am trying to increase the already astronomical intelligence of our world class, nuanced, progressive community. You know, the types of folks who support Halfaday for Council or who voted for Dumler.
Anyway, the quote "trying to cure dandruff by decapitation" was attributed to Zappa when he testified in front of Tipper Gore et. al. in the 1980s as they did what most rich, bored housewives do: open Aboriginal Art Museums, start and bankrupt wineries (with their bored, rich third husbands), auction off their hat collections to raise money in their bankruptcy, or--of course--as Tipper did, try to use their husbands' influence to affect their idea of sound public policy.
R.I.P.: John Denver (I will give this one away...he also testified to congress during these quite silly hearings on obscenity in music).
so the survey is being used as a tool to censor homelessness?
Deb

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Mar 5, 2013
I don't know whether it applies to this survey or whether the policy is still in effect when determining homelessness, but I was told some years ago by someone who works with the homeless that children are considered homeless if they are living away from the home their parents occupy and the child's caregiver, be it friend or relative, is receiving public assistance for that child. The child could be with a wonderful, loving grandparent, but would still be considered homeless. It was my understanding, this policy also applied to a child who is with his or her parent, that parent is receiving assistance for the child, and that parent is living with someone else, be it friend or relative. Again, it's been some years since I was told how homelessness is determined for a child, and a totally different determination could have been used for this survey.
commuter

Rice, VA

#11 Mar 5, 2013
If a person is living in a hotel how can they be called homeless? The H work is used by many to conjure up visions of people living in sleeping bags and bathing in rivers and that just iusn't the case. The homeless I see have laptops, cell phones, Tag Heuer watches and get picked up by their friends near the downtown mall after a hard day of begging. When they get on the bus near Fashion Square in the morning they are wearing clean clothes but when I see them on the downtown mall at mid day they have magically changed into dirty clothes while they beg. These people are con artists and the city's big attraction for these people are the UVA students that give them money.

OKC

Since: Mar 13

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Mar 5, 2013
An addendum to the survey results:

The Point-In-Time survey and results seen below was one of three data collection tools used in January 2013 to assess our local homeless population. Additional data from the Housing Inventory Count (HIC) and the Point-In-Time Count of homeless individuals and families will be made available shortly. Because the majority of surveys were conducted with homeless people who access survices in the City of Charlottesville, the families who do not access shelter services and the homeless from surrounding counties are NOT well respresented in the survey results. Additional information on homeless families with children and the types of shelter beds in use the night of the Count will be made available shortly.
SpiderCat

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Mar 5, 2013
Liberalace wrote:
If anyone doubts that Chville's homeless problem is self-created by the "open arms" policy the libs employ in this town, check out these statistics:
75% of those polled have been here over two years.
66% of those polled have hometowns outside of Charlottesville.
3% of those polled lived in Chville before they became homeless.
Now, how reliable these stats are is another story since they are self-reported.
I find it also interesting that 71% of the homeless stated they do have a primary care physician. Makes you wonder if Obamacare is actually using decapitation to cure dandruff.
R.I.P.: Frank Zappa
Why is anyone surprised that when you plant bum seeds, you grow bums ?
Boodreau

Waynesboro, VA

#14 Mar 5, 2013
Liberalace wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, huck, here goes (to let the cat out of the bag)...
Every one of my R.I.P.s has some tie-in to the story or post at hand. Often, it may be a "seventh-degrees-of-separ ation" brain teaser. I am trying to increase the already astronomical intelligence of our world class, nuanced, progressive community. You know, the types of folks who support Halfaday for Council or who voted for Dumler.
Anyway, the quote "trying to cure dandruff by decapitation" was attributed to Zappa when he testified in front of Tipper Gore et. al. in the 1980s as they did what most rich, bored housewives do: open Aboriginal Art Museums, start and bankrupt wineries (with their bored, rich third husbands), auction off their hat collections to raise money in their bankruptcy, or--of course--as Tipper did, try to use their husbands' influence to affect their idea of sound public policy.
R.I.P.: John Denver (I will give this one away...he also testified to congress during these quite silly hearings on obscenity in music).
Nice Zappa reference
Dude

Winchester, VA

#15 Mar 5, 2013
Liberalace wrote:
If anyone doubts that Chville's homeless problem is self-created by the "open arms" policy the libs employ in this town, check out these statistics:
75% of those polled have been here over two years.
66% of those polled have hometowns outside of Charlottesville.
3% of those polled lived in Chville before they became homeless.
Now, how reliable these stats are is another story since they are self-reported.
I find it also interesting that 71% of the homeless stated they do have a primary care physician. Makes you wonder if Obamacare is actually using decapitation to cure dandruff.
R.I.P.: Frank Zappa
Dandruff? I doubt you'll read the entire article as it's actual investigative journalism instead of the all too ready yes man ready editorials we have become acquiesced to.(Which is not something I would expect from Time).

http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/bitter-...

Decapitation to cure dandruff is a poor analogy.
Dude

Winchester, VA

#16 Mar 5, 2013
commuter wrote:
If a person is living in a hotel how can they be called homeless? The H work is used by many to conjure up visions of people living in sleeping bags and bathing in rivers and that just iusn't the case. The homeless I see have laptops, cell phones, Tag Heuer watches and get picked up by their friends near the downtown mall after a hard day of begging. When they get on the bus near Fashion Square in the morning they are wearing clean clothes but when I see them on the downtown mall at mid day they have magically changed into dirty clothes while they beg. These people are con artists and the city's big attraction for these people are the UVA students that give them money.
If a toddler runs out in the street, pay no attention, it's their fault for following the ball, and remember to hold the kittens down for 30 extra seconds, they can fool you.
Dude

Winchester, VA

#17 Mar 5, 2013
Deb wrote:
I don't know whether it applies to this survey or whether the policy is still in effect when determining homelessness, but I was told some years ago by someone who works with the homeless that children are considered homeless if they are living away from the home their parents occupy and the child's caregiver, be it friend or relative, is receiving public assistance for that child. The child could be with a wonderful, loving grandparent, but would still be considered homeless. It was my understanding, this policy also applied to a child who is with his or her parent, that parent is receiving assistance for the child, and that parent is living with someone else, be it friend or relative. Again, it's been some years since I was told how homelessness is determined for a child, and a totally different determination could have been used for this survey.
I think it's a fair question, and perhaps OKC can answer it. There's nothing quick on google or bing about it.
Dude

Winchester, VA

#18 Mar 5, 2013
OKC wrote:
An addendum to the survey results:
The Point-In-Time survey and results seen below was one of three data collection tools used in January 2013 to assess our local homeless population. Additional data from the Housing Inventory Count (HIC) and the Point-In-Time Count of homeless individuals and families will be made available shortly. Because the majority of surveys were conducted with homeless people who access survices in the City of Charlottesville, the families who do not access shelter services and the homeless from surrounding counties are NOT well respresented in the survey results. Additional information on homeless families with children and the types of shelter beds in use the night of the Count will be made available shortly.
Since you appear to be informed, is it possible for you to list the criteria which is used (like that 'Deb' mentions) when determining what categorizes a child as homeless?
Dude

Winchester, VA

#19 Mar 5, 2013
We all like to think we're immune to this

http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/2...

Medical bills cause 62% of bankruptcies, over 75% of them were insured.
More to say

Charlottesville, VA

#20 Mar 5, 2013
commuter wrote:
If a person is living in a hotel how can they be called homeless?
Probably because they don't have a home. Is that really such a difficult concept for you?

As for the stuff about expensive watches, either you saw someone who was a fraud, or your lying. Either way, it hardly affects those genuinely without a home.

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