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Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#82 Nov 12, 2011
Barnaby Wilde wrote:
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Sorry. I am unable to locate the source which stated that they were paid at the same rate as health workers. In any case they are being reimbursed on a schedule which was NEGOTIATED by SEIU and receive more than they would have if the union had not looked out for them.
Nevertheless, these are people who want to be PAID to care for their own children and then gripe about paying some evil union for getting them more money. Must the be same kind of thoughtful, grateful people who protest to keep the government out of their Medicare.
I looked up this story, because I wanted to see the specifics for myself.

As far as I could tell, from Googling "Robert Haynes SEIU", the ONLY place this story appears is in conservative blogs.

I couldn't find a single, mainstream news outlet (Fox included) that had any coverage of this story.

Can anyone provide a link to an actual news story on this?
Unions-Democrats

Newtown, VA

#83 Nov 12, 2011
Barnaby Wilde wrote:
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Sorry. I am unable to locate the source which stated that they were paid at the same rate as health workers. In any case they are being reimbursed on a schedule which was NEGOTIATED by SEIU and receive more than they would have if the union had not looked out for them.
Nevertheless, these are people who want to be PAID to care for their own children and then gripe about paying some evil union for getting them more money. Must the be same kind of thoughtful, grateful people who protest to keep the government out of their Medicare.
Barnaby Wilde wrote:"In collective bargaining states there is NO requirement to join a union unless one wishes to work at a company which has a contract with a union.No one is forced to join a union to work. Either join a union in order to work at a company which has a contract with a union, or go to work for an employer who doesn't."

Now when presented with a case wherein an individual HAS to pay union dues,(for all intents and purposes joining the union) you want to say the union DESERVES this money because they negotiated a higher wage for union members?

That's like saying everyone who benefitted by the Bush tax cuts (nearly all taxpayers) should pay the Republican Party for negotiating those tax cuts. By the way, you can just mail me your share and I will see that it gets to the Republican party. I know how crooked you pro-union folks can be.

Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#84 Nov 12, 2011
Unions-Democrats wrote:
<quoted text> Barnaby Wilde wrote:"In collective bargaining states there is NO requirement to join a union unless one wishes to work at a company which has a contract with a union.No one is forced to join a union to work. Either join a union in order to work at a company which has a contract with a union, or go to work for an employer who doesn't."
Now when presented with a case wherein an individual HAS to pay union dues,(for all intents and purposes joining the union) you want to say the union DESERVES this money because they negotiated a higher wage for union members?
That's like saying everyone who benefitted by the Bush tax cuts (nearly all taxpayers) should pay the Republican Party for negotiating those tax cuts. By the way, you can just mail me your share and I will see that it gets to the Republican party. I know how crooked you pro-union folks can be.
Again, can you please post a link to this story from an actual news outlet? Thanks!
Fred

Smithfield, VA

#85 Nov 12, 2011
Chicago Guy wrote:
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Again, can you please post a link to this story from an actual news outlet? Thanks!
Try unionintimidationtoday.com
Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#86 Nov 12, 2011
Fred wrote:
<quoted text> Try unionintimidationtoday.com
In other words... you admit that this is not a legitimate story?
Pat

Charlottesville, VA

#87 Nov 12, 2011
Chicago Guy wrote:
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Maybe we don't disagree, at all.
I don't think I mis-spoke, but I'm happy to clarify: by "it addresses collective bargaining" I didn't mean it addressed a formal process that must be agreed to by both parties. I meant that individuals have a right to band together to bargain for favorable terms.
We good, now? ;)
Yep, we good.
medium rare please

Charlottesville, VA

#88 Nov 13, 2011
Citizen wrote:
Had the Dems actually made progress the last few years, you'd probably see a left wing win. Bottom line: the Dems failed, the people realized it and and spoke loud and clear: they're tired of the left wing BS and are ready for CHANGE that actually has some HOPE to go along with it.
At who's expense?

“Big Government IS the problem!”

Since: Jul 10

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#89 Nov 14, 2011
Unions-Democrats wrote:
<quoted text> Barnaby Wilde wrote:"In collective bargaining states there is NO requirement to join a union unless one wishes to work at a company which has a contract with a union.No one is forced to join a union to work. Either join a union in order to work at a company which has a contract with a union, or go to work for an employer who doesn't."
Now when presented with a case wherein an individual HAS to pay union dues,(for all intents and purposes joining the union) you want to say the union DESERVES this money because they negotiated a higher wage for union members?
That's like saying everyone who benefitted by the Bush tax cuts (nearly all taxpayers) should pay the Republican Party for negotiating those tax cuts. By the way, you can just mail me your share and I will see that it gets to the Republican party. I know how crooked you pro-union folks can be.
Absolutely brillant analogy. Bravo,bravo! I would not hold my breath waiting for that check though.
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#90 Nov 14, 2011
Chicago Guy wrote:
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I reject that having strong unions means automatic bankruptcy.
And all employees have a Constitutional right to band together to negotiate terms with their employer.
Why do conservatives only respect the Constitutional rights of those they agree with?
And why do conservatives always side with big business and the wealthy, against their own interests?
No one said "automatic".
Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#91 Nov 14, 2011
buyerbeware wrote:
<quoted text>No one said "automatic".
Then you think it's possible to have strong unions, and NOT have the states go bankrupt?

Great. Me, too.
Unions-Democrats

Fort Washington, MD

#92 Nov 16, 2011
Chicago Guy wrote:
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Again, can you please post a link to this story from an actual news outlet? Thanks!
http://www.michigancapitolconf idential.com/15977

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