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There are 29 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Nov 12, 2012, titled UVA Students Raise Awareness about Homelessness - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sports and.... In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

A group of students from the University of Virginia is spending the month raising awareness for homelessness, and they're actually spending a night on the streets themselves to highlight the issue.

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heh

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Nov 12, 2012
good for 60 or so posts
HoboSapien

Floyd, VA

#2 Nov 12, 2012
So head on down to the corner and get yourself one.
"heh", you seem a fellow with heart. Surely you have room for at least one unfortunate, overlooked and picked upon individual. A night out to feel their pain is similar to children "camping out" in mom's backyard...how rough is that? Oh well, at least they will be better able to relate to those less fortunate. "Mom, he/ she followed me home. Can I keep 'em?"
heh- 59 to go......
R.I.P.: Boxcar Willie
HIM

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Nov 12, 2012
"UVA Students Raise Awareness about Homelessness"

So the students do notice the university employees after all!
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#6 Nov 12, 2012
Must be a research paper due.
not a libtard

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Nov 12, 2012
hehe will never be homeless he lives in his moms basement!!
Rex

Springfield, NJ

#8 Nov 12, 2012
This is a serious matter. No one wants to starve & be cold, like they are in third world countries. There are lots of homeless people after a disaster. Never say never, it could happen to you. People these days do not have sympathy & that's most Republicans!
jonneyboy

Earlysville, VA

#9 Nov 12, 2012
not a libtard wrote:
hehe will never be homeless he lives in his moms basement!!
They will both be homeless two years, did you see what the stimulas did to voter fraud.
Justice

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Nov 13, 2012
Rex wrote:
This is a serious matter. No one wants to starve & be cold, like they are in third world countries. There are lots of homeless people after a disaster. Never say never, it could happen to you. People these days do not have sympathy & that's most Republicans!
Let's get real-- Most of Cville homeless are chronic homeless that have made a choice to be homeless to live off the system (free food with SNAP, free housing with Mohr Center, Salvation Army, The Crossing, free Healthcare courtsey of UVa Hospital, free clothes from Salvation Army, free TV and internet access from The Haven)... If not, they are people who have heard of how great Cville is and have traveled to this town to enjoy the goodies![The fine folks under 14th St Bridge are the same folks I saw when I came to Cville years ago)

Also, I spoke with a homeless from WV who came here to see if he could get one of the rooms at the Homeless Hotel. Don't forget a few years ago a couple of 5 homeless tried to rob a woman on Pantops @ Hardees and three of the five homeless also were the defendants against the city ordinance to stop homeless people from panhandling near ATM, near where people eat food, and etc.
cville citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Nov 14, 2012
Justice wrote:
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Let's get real-- Most of Cville homeless are chronic homeless that have made a choice to be homeless to live off the system (free food with SNAP, free housing with Mohr Center, Salvation Army, The Crossing, free Healthcare courtsey of UVa Hospital, free clothes from Salvation Army, free TV and internet access from The Haven)... If not, they are people who have heard of how great Cville is and have traveled to this town to enjoy the goodies![The fine folks under 14th St Bridge are the same folks I saw when I came to Cville years ago)
Also, I spoke with a homeless from WV who came here to see if he could get one of the rooms at the Homeless Hotel. Don't forget a few years ago a couple of 5 homeless tried to rob a woman on Pantops @ Hardees and three of the five homeless also were the defendants against the city ordinance to stop homeless people from panhandling near ATM, near where people eat food, and etc.
Let's get real---- you mean you really believe that someone made the choice to say " hey I'm homeless now because of ( fill in the blank) and I think I like sleeping on the concrete, being vulnerable to street violence, eating food that makes me ill even though the meal providers do the best that they can, and being a 3rd class citizen, Yep that sounds like the life for me.

Also, I hope you dont identify as a person of "faith" because all of the major religions discuss poverty and social justice. The comments you have made do not seem borne from this background. You come across to me as someone who is envious or jealous and is afraid that someone will get something and you will not. That sounds somewhat immature to me.
Justice

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Nov 14, 2012
cville citizen wrote:
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Let's get real---- you mean you really believe that someone made the choice to say " hey I'm homeless now because of ( fill in the blank) and I think I like sleeping on the concrete, being vulnerable to street violence, eating food that makes me ill even though the meal providers do the best that they can, and being a 3rd class citizen, Yep that sounds like the life for me.
Also, I hope you dont identify as a person of "faith" because all of the major religions discuss poverty and social justice. The comments you have made do not seem borne from this background. You come across to me as someone who is envious or jealous and is afraid that someone will get something and you will not. That sounds somewhat immature to me.
It's time for you to get out of your BMW, Mercedes, Lexus and seriously look at the homeless population in this city. While there is a small portion of people who have fallen on hard times and are in need of help to get back on their feet to which I am all for, there is a much larger homeless population that knows how to work the system and they do so efficiently. Do you really truly think they care that they are considered "third class citizen" or even know what that means? Until you can explain to me why a bulk of the homeless are also habitual drunks, you have no grounds to stand on. Homeless yet they can afford booze to get drunk everyday, hmm, ain't that something? America has become a country where many of the people believe it is the government's responsibility to take care of them.

In regards to faith, I believe that "faith" have no place government just like the founders two centuries ago when they separated religion and government. Also, what I believe in and do not believe in has nothing to do with this discussion. In fact, I believe things like "faith" cloud people from doing the RIGHT thing. Right being what will get these people off their asses not what is politically or by faith "right"?

PS, drop by the Haven on any given day and watch these "third rate citizens" watch TV/their soaps on their 50" big flat-screen TV or surf the web/play facebook games on the computers available. Then, come and tell me these people are trying their best.
Dude

Winchester, VA

#13 Nov 14, 2012
Justice wrote:
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It's time for you to get out of your BMW, Mercedes, Lexus and seriously look at the homeless population in this city. While there is a small portion of people who have fallen on hard times and are in need of help to get back on their feet to which I am all for, there is a much larger homeless population that knows how to work the system and they do so efficiently. Do you really truly think they care that they are considered "third class citizen" or even know what that means? Until you can explain to me why a bulk of the homeless are also habitual drunks, you have no grounds to stand on. Homeless yet they can afford booze to get drunk everyday, hmm, ain't that something? America has become a country where many of the people believe it is the government's responsibility to take care of them.
In regards to faith, I believe that "faith" have no place government just like the founders two centuries ago when they separated religion and government. Also, what I believe in and do not believe in has nothing to do with this discussion. In fact, I believe things like "faith" cloud people from doing the RIGHT thing. Right being what will get these people off their **** not what is politically or by faith "right"?
PS, drop by the Haven on any given day and watch these "third rate citizens" watch TV/their soaps on their 50" big flat-screen TV or surf the web/play facebook games on the computers available. Then, come and tell me these people are trying their best.
There are many causes to homelessness and poverty and use the anecdotal evidence of the few and apply it to the whole is disingenuous at best, a complete fabrication at worst. The causes range from conditioning (environmental determinism) to mental disorders (genetic determinism) or a combination there of. To say that they are all chronic homeless is meaningless, because whether they're institutional or disabled, they're still chronic, right? No person in their right mind would chose to live such a life style, and simply game the system. That is a ridiculously callous and uneducated assumption that they all wouldn't rather have a good jobs, security, resources, etc (Maslow's second tier of needs). You do touch on a good point, is there a level of care that should be provided by society to others? The human condition of the social contract says yes, the mainstream Abrahamic Religions says yes, the non-mainstream monotheistic and polytheistic religions says yes, atheistic communism says yes, and even Shintoism has tenets for it. The ethic of reciprocity is broad, and is included by classically liberally enlightened philosophers such as Locke and Kant and is even included in Hubbard's Scientology. The only philosophy that I can think of that says no is Rand's Objectivism, which is borderline sociopathic.(there is nothing ethical about ethical egoism) The real debate lays with how much help and how much compassion should we show? There are a lot of opinions on that, and you appear to be of the opinion that the government does too much.
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Your faith does actually have something to do with it, and while you and I agree that religion and government have no place intermingling, your spirituality should have some measure in your level of compassion.
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I'm willing to bet that you and I subscribe closer to the same thought than most do; to me Benjamin Franklin says it the best.
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“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.”
&#8213; Benjamin Franklin
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The one thing I find ironic is that you claim "there is a small portion of people who have fallen on hard times" meaning that you are suggesting that everything in this economy over the last four years have been not so bad. If you were to listen to the Republicans and right leaning libertarians you would think that there would be a great number of people that have fallen on hard times.
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Nov 15, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>There are many causes to homelessness and poverty and use the anecdotal evidence of the few and apply it to the whole is disingenuous at best, a complete fabrication at worst. The causes range from conditioning (environmental determinism) to mental disorders (genetic determinism) or a combination there of. To say that they are all chronic homeless is meaningless, because whether they're institutional or disabled, they're still chronic, right? No person in their right mind would chose to live such a life style, and simply game the system. That is a ridiculously callous and uneducated assumption that they all wouldn't rather have a good jobs, security, resources, etc (Maslow's second tier of needs). You do touch on a good point, is there a level of care that should be provided by society to others? The human condition of the social contract says yes, the mainstream Abrahamic Religions says yes, the non-mainstream monotheistic and polytheistic religions says yes, atheistic communism says yes, and even Shintoism has tenets for it. The ethic of reciprocity is broad, and is included by classically liberally enlightened philosophers such as Locke and Kant and is even included in Hubbard's Scientology. The only philosophy that I can think of that says no is Rand's Objectivism, which is borderline sociopathic.(there is nothing ethical about ethical egoism) The real debate lays with how much help and how much compassion should we show? There are a lot of opinions on that, and you appear to be of the opinion that the government does too much.
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Your faith does actually have something to do with it, and while you and I agree that religion and government have no place intermingling, your spirituality should have some measure in your level of compassion.
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I'm willing to bet that you and I subscribe closer to the same thought than most do; to me Benjamin Franklin says it the best.
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“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.”
&#8213; Benjamin Franklin
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The one thing I find ironic is that you claim "there is a small portion of people who have fallen on hard times" meaning that you are suggesting that everything in this economy over the last four years have been not so bad. If you were to listen to the Republicans and right leaning libertarians you would think that there would be a great number of people that have fallen on hard times.
Very well said.

Ironic that many of those railing against the 'welfare' state are party to a greater one.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-m...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2...
Justice

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Nov 15, 2012
heh wrote:
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Very well said.
Ironic that many of those railing against the 'welfare' state are party to a greater one.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-m...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2...
Lol. I am neither Republican or Democrat. Try again.
Justice

Charlottesville, VA

#16 Nov 15, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>There are many causes to homelessness and poverty and use the anecdotal evidence of the few and apply it to the whole is disingenuous at best, a complete fabrication at worst. The causes range from conditioning (environmental determinism) to mental disorders (genetic determinism) or a combination there of. To say that they are all chronic homeless is meaningless, because whether they're institutional or disabled, they're still chronic, right? No person in their right mind would chose to live such a life style, and simply game the system. That is a ridiculously callous and uneducated assumption that they all wouldn't rather have a good jobs, security, resources, etc (Maslow's second tier of needs). You do touch on a good point, is there a level of care that should be provided by society to others? The human condition of the social contract says yes, the mainstream Abrahamic Religions says yes, the non-mainstream monotheistic and polytheistic religions says yes, atheistic communism says yes, and even Shintoism has tenets for it. The ethic of reciprocity is broad, and is included by classically liberally enlightened philosophers such as Locke and Kant and is even included in Hubbard's Scientology. The only philosophy that I can think of that says no is Rand's Objectivism, which is borderline sociopathic.(there is nothing ethical about ethical egoism) The real debate lays with how much help and how much compassion should we show? There are a lot of opinions on that, and you appear to be of the opinion that the government does too much.
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Your faith does actually have something to do with it, and while you and I agree that religion and government have no place intermingling, your spirituality should have some measure in your level of compassion.
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I'm willing to bet that you and I subscribe closer to the same thought than most do; to me Benjamin Franklin says it the best.
.
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.”
&#8213; Benjamin Franklin
.
The one thing I find ironic is that you claim "there is a small portion of people who have fallen on hard times" meaning that you are suggesting that everything in this economy over the last four years have been not so bad. If you were to listen to the Republicans and right leaning libertarians you would think that there would be a great number of people that have fallen on hard times.
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“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.”
&#8213; Benjamin Franklin
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Spot on!

Until you can explain why there are so many homeless people playing games on Facebook or watching TV instead of trying to improve their skills, I can not give validity for how much help we offer.

Also, to be clear, there is a select group of individuals who I think welfare should be geared. People who are working many part-time jobs within reasons but still cannot support the family, not people who are on the street begging for money not to eat/drink but to get booze.

Finally, you have read the different statistics that it is possible to make more money begging than to work a part-time job, right?
Rex

Springfield, NJ

#17 Nov 15, 2012
"Justice" Are you talking about your son or daughter playing on facebook, when they can get a job & pay you some rent?
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Nov 15, 2012
Justice wrote:
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Lol. I am neither Republican or Democrat. Try again.
Wasn't responding to you, but since you asked.
http://www.nbc29.com/story/20107367/governor-...
https://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/09/03-...
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2...
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2...
Dude

Winchester, VA

#19 Nov 15, 2012
Justice wrote:
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“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.”
&#8213; Benjamin Franklin
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Spot on!
Until you can explain why there are so many homeless people playing games on Facebook or watching TV instead of trying to improve their skills, I can not give validity for how much help we offer.
Also, to be clear, there is a select group of individuals who I think welfare should be geared. People who are working many part-time jobs within reasons but still cannot support the family, not people who are on the street begging for money not to eat/drink but to get booze.
Finally, you have read the different statistics that it is possible to make more money begging than to work a part-time job, right?
What is so many? I can explain why the percentage that does, does and it; the simple answer directly applies to the Benjamin Franklin quote. There is no doubt that we are in dire need of entitlement and subsidy reform, but when absolute statements are made, they appear radical. Do people take advantage of programs? most certainly. I've known very wealthy farmers that have received subsidies, not only to not grow food, and not because they needed it, but because they qualified for it, and it was to the tune of hundreds of thousands. At the same time they disparage those who are on food stamps (not even realizing that food stamps are nothing more than a Big Ag subsidy.) At the same time, one of our resident posters is right, how can the federal government justify allowing California's EBT program to qualify McDonalds? Even Virginia's more stringent rules allow for unhealthy foods.(EBT is federal funded and has to follow very loose federal rules, states also set standards)
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I don't doubt that it is possible to earn more panhandling at times than it is to work; I doubt, though that it is consistent, and in the long run not possible. In lay terms, that might be possible over an hour, but doubtfully over eight. I would shed extreme prejudice and doubt over any study that says otherwise. Not that I wouldn't entertain any study that you would provide stating otherwise. The simple answer to that, though, is that there will always be someone that takes advantage of charity, even our own multi-billionares take advantage of all the greatness that the US has to offer, while exploiting the good intentions and effectively screwing the average guy. So how is it that we can condemn the impoverished for taking advantage of a system that we say that the uber rich are just making good financial decisions about?

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Justice

Charlottesville, VA

#20 Nov 15, 2012
Rex wrote:
"Justice" Are you talking about your son or daughter playing on facebook, when they can get a job & pay you some rent?
If you learned how to read, I clearly said check out the Haven.
Also, I don't have kids.
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#21 Nov 15, 2012
Justice wrote:
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Also, I don't have kids.
well there ya go
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#22 Nov 15, 2012
Again "Dude" has articulated the matter better than myself, I'm sure there's somethin I can do better than him. But to be sure, its too easy to group all homeless into one pathology, just ain't true. I do know some homeless guys that will always be homeless, they prefer the lifestyle, why? lots of reasons, to many to expand on here. There are a lot of females that are homeless, many for some really tragic reasons usually the result of male pigs. There are some homeless who will always be so as because of a disassociation from human contact, some are homeless for no other reason than a life spent knowing no other. Lots of reasons for homelessness. But with the economy in the tank and no real reason to see daylight this problem will remain and will probably get worse.

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