Voter ID Bills Out of Committee, Headed to House and Senate

For the second General Assembly session in a row, the fight over voter identification is creating tension in Richmond. Full Story
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huck

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Feb 1, 2013
"The best way, if you want to make sure that the person in front of you is the person they say they are, is to have a true, no excuses photo ID," Bell said."

Let's see. You walk up to the polls, identify yourself and are checked off the polling list. Now how many times does someone else come up and identify themselves as you.
Answer: Never
There has Never been a cast of voter ID fraud. Anywhere, anytime.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Feb 1, 2013
case of voter ID fraud
TEX

Rocky Mount, VA

#3 Feb 1, 2013
If you are who you say you are~what is the big deal about being asked to PROVE it with a photo I.D.?
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#4 Feb 1, 2013
TEX wrote:
If you are who you say you are~what is the big deal about being asked to PROVE it with a photo I.D.?
It is no big deal but you shouldn't have to.
sunny

Ferrum, VA

#5 Feb 1, 2013
Seeing as there is a complete lack of evidence about voter fraud being a problem, one can only wonder about the motivation of those pushing these voter ID measures.

Partisan politics at its ugliest.
Chuck

Ruckersville, VA

#6 Feb 1, 2013
huck wrote:
"The best way, if you want to make sure that the person in front of you is the person they say they are, is to have a true, no excuses photo ID," Bell said."
Let's see. You walk up to the polls, identify yourself and are checked off the polling list. Now how many times does someone else come up and identify themselves as you.
Answer: Never
There has Never been a cast of voter ID fraud. Anywhere, anytime.
November 2008 Elections. Woman drives up to C-ville poll location. Walks in and while holding her over-accessorized keychain declares that she forgot her ID. She is made to fill out paperwork and is allowed to vote. She walks out, gets in hr car, and drives off.

This is a factual account. How may times do you think this happened that day as well as last November's election. This is easy to do because not everyone who is listed on those polling lists actually show up to vote.

Those of us who already voluntarily provide proof of identification when we vote do not care if this law is passed. Ever notice that the ones who are totally against this law are the ones who are of the opinion that minorities and the elderly are too stupid to be able to obtain their own IDs.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Feb 2, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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November 2008 Elections. Woman drives up to C-ville poll location. Walks in and while holding her over-accessorized keychain declares that she forgot her ID. She is made to fill out paperwork and is allowed to vote. She walks out, gets in hr car, and drives off.
This is a factual account. How may times do you think this happened that day as well as last November's election.
None.

and prove your account is 'factual'.
I believe you made it up. Prove otherwise with a link to her conviction.

Answer me this: Why would even ONE person impersonate another? There is substantial penalties to do so if caught, and if that person is not caught, the odds are very high the crime of miscasting a single vote would not affect the election outcome one lick.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Feb 2, 2013
To Chuck: I misread your post. It seems if there were any crime, that would be on the part of the polling personnel, assuming the ballot wasn't provisional, etc. since they allowed her to vote without presenting something with her name on it.

No voter ID fraud was committed, even if your story is true.

Very few people show up without some form of identification on the approved list, and most everyone with a d/l. This Republican sponsored bill, just as all the other REPUBLICAN SPONSORED BILLS (wonder why?) in other states, are being pushed through solely to suppress voting from those who would otherwise predomintaly vote for a democrat.
4justice

Vesuvius, VA

#9 Feb 2, 2013
huck wrote:
"The best way, if you want to make sure that the person in front of you is the person they say they are, is to have a true, no excuses photo ID," Bell said."
Let's see. You walk up to the polls, identify yourself and are checked off the polling list. Now how many times does someone else come up and identify themselves as you.
Answer: Never
There has Never been a cast of voter ID fraud. Anywhere, anytime.
DOJ provides data collected after 2002 and there are many ongoing investigations since the last election; but will current DOJ adminstration drag its feet?

"The AJS points out that in-person voter fraud, also known sometimes as voter impersonation, is either a rare phenomenon or the culprits are rarely caught or prosecuted if the NAACP is right about the statistics they shared recently.

The NAACP says only 10 in-person voter fraud cases have been proven nationally since 2000. That does not mean only 10 cases existed, however--just that only 10 of them were "proven."

Georgia Mason University's Department of Public and International Affairs Associate Professor Michael McDonald says "It's difficult to study the issue of impersonation fraud." And as difficult as it is to study, it's even more difficult to devote time and attention to proving each case.

http://www.examiner.com/article/election-day-...

"The NAACPs claim, and in turn News21s, appears mostly accurate, with an extensive database supporting it. There are a few missing pieces, however, in the data.

We rate the claim Mostly True."

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/...

right winger

United States

#10 Feb 2, 2013
you say voter fraud does not exist? how do you think Obama get re-elected? voter fraud?
simple solution

United States

#12 Feb 2, 2013
state issued photo id card with unique electronic code or unique identifier similar to a credit card that is electronically swiped at the poll. since everyone is registered to a precinct the fact that they voted is accounted and any attempts to vote again or else where would be disallowed or would require a provisional ballot.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Feb 2, 2013
4justice wrote:
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DOJ provides data collected after 2002 and there are many ongoing investigations since the last election; but will current DOJ adminstration drag its feet?
"The AJS points out that in-person voter fraud, also known sometimes as voter impersonation, is either a rare phenomenon or the culprits are rarely caught or prosecuted if the NAACP is right about the statistics they shared recently.
The NAACP says only 10 in-person voter fraud cases have been proven nationally since 2000. That does not mean only 10 cases existed, however--just that only 10 of them were "proven."
Georgia Mason University's Department of Public and International Affairs Associate Professor Michael McDonald says "It's difficult to study the issue of impersonation fraud." And as difficult as it is to study, it's even more difficult to devote time and attention to proving each case.
http://www.examiner.com/article/election-day-...
"The NAACPs claim, and in turn News21s, appears mostly accurate, with an extensive database supporting it. There are a few missing pieces, however, in the data.
We rate the claim Mostly True."
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/...
Read your politifact link

"News21 began gathering data in January by reviewing about 375 cases of alleged voter fraud collected by the RNLA. The News21 analysis found that the RNLA cases consisted mainly of newspaper articles about various election issues with little supporting evidence of actual in-person voter fraud."

"The NAACPs claim -- actually, News21s -- that only 10 provable cases of voter impersonation have occurred in the country in the past dozen years is based on extensive analysis and data received from the actual elections officials in charge of handling these issues. Without doing a repeat of the 50-state data collection and review, it is impossible to re-create the same type of research."

You can't point me to a link of ONE case of PROVEN fraud (fine or conviction) that this voter ID bill would have prevented.

NOT ONE!

All the rest is 'alleged' hearsay.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Feb 2, 2013
simple solution wrote:
state issued photo id card with unique electronic code or unique identifier similar to a credit card that is electronically swiped at the poll. since everyone is registered to a precinct the fact that they voted is accounted and any attempts to vote again or else where would be disallowed or would require a provisional ballot.
checking off a name on the list by hand is the way it currently works, more time consuming, but equally effective

If we're gonna go to the expense of installing swipe machines at the polling stations, why not cut to the chase and put everything online.

Internet voting, and make it mandatory (which will make the GOP lose by ever greater margins) is the way to go.
4justice

Morgantown, WV

#15 Feb 2, 2013
huck thank you thoroughly reviewing the articles I posted and noting none of those were proven or as you alleged resulted in a conviction. Does this link meet your criteria as proven?

Reyna Almanza and her son strolled into the Progreso, Texas, school board election in 2009 just like 1,100 of their neighbors, cast their ballots and left. But hours later Almanza took her son back to the polls, where he used his incarcerated brother's name to vote a second time, breaking election laws and landing both mother and son in court.

It is that kind of voter fraud that Texas' voter ID law, which was struck down in federal court last month, and similar laws passed in eight states over the past two years were written to prevent. But voter impersonation cases like Almanza's, who is serving 5 years of probation for illegal voting, are the exception, not the norm.

Over the past decade Texas has convicted 51 people of voter fraud, according the state's Attorney General Greg Abbott. Only four of those cases were for voter impersonation, the only type of voter fraud that voter ID laws prevent.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fra...
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#16 Feb 2, 2013
4justice wrote:
huck thank you thoroughly reviewing the articles I posted and noting none of those were proven or as you alleged resulted in a conviction. Does this link meet your criteria as proven?
Reyna Almanza and her son strolled into the Progreso, Texas, school board election in 2009 just like 1,100 of their neighbors, cast their ballots and left. But hours later Almanza took her son back to the polls, where he used his incarcerated brother's name to vote a second time, breaking election laws and landing both mother and son in court.
It is that kind of voter fraud that Texas' voter ID law, which was struck down in federal court last month, and similar laws passed in eight states over the past two years were written to prevent. But voter impersonation cases like Almanza's, who is serving 5 years of probation for illegal voting, are the exception, not the norm.
Over the past decade Texas has convicted 51 people of voter fraud, according the state's Attorney General Greg Abbott. Only four of those cases were for voter impersonation, the only type of voter fraud that voter ID laws prevent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fra...
First of all: In this instance voter photo ID law probably would not have prevented this fraud, since the brother could have just presented his brother's photo ID.
Second: it was for a school board with 1,100 votes cast, the outcome for a general election, president or congressman would not be decided by a few votes. Criminals are selfish. They would not risk jail to vote for someone in a national or state election. Think about it.
Third: There is no evidence those "four cases" over a decade would have been prevented by requiring a photo ID.
Fourth: the attorney general claiming voter fraud is a republican

All that said, congratulations, you win. You presented me with a case of voter fraud a photo ID law may have prevented.

I stand corrected, but common sense and documented cases show it is very rare and hasn't actually affected election outcome anywhere.
central va marine

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Feb 2, 2013
Voter ID, a solution looking for a problem. If the esteem Representatives from Central Virginia had a case of Virginia voter ID fraud, they would be standing on the street corners of Virginia screaming; See, I told you so". No screaming, no fraud.

If those Repuglicans who want to pass this draconian bill are honestly concerned about everyone being able to vote, and every vote counting. They would include $5,000,000 in the appropriation portion of the bill. This amount should be used to establish local organization that would help otherwise disenfranchised voters to establish ID to get a photo card. There are those who were not born in a hospital, born in other states, or otherwise can not verify they are who they say they are, because they are not registered with the State Department of Vital Statistics. If these Legislators were honest and anxious to live up to the letter of their oaths, they would take the extra steps to insure that every Virginian has the opportunity to vote.

However, we know their motive is to suppress voters who vote Democrat. The bill, and other ploys, are nothing but naked efforts to steal elections under the cloak of what these Losers see as "Legal Theft".

Next election I encourage everyone to take the trash out; vote Democrat.

more to come
4Justice

Java, VA

#18 Feb 2, 2013
huck wrote:
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First of all: In this instance voter photo ID law probably would not have prevented this fraud, since the brother could have just presented his brother's photo ID.
Second: it was for a school board with 1,100 votes cast, the outcome for a general election, president or congressman would not be decided by a few votes. Criminals are selfish. They would not risk jail to vote for someone in a national or state election. Think about it.
Third: There is no evidence those "four cases" over a decade would have been prevented by requiring a photo ID.
Fourth: the attorney general claiming voter fraud is a republican
All that said, congratulations, you win. You presented me with a case of voter fraud a photo ID law may have prevented.
I stand corrected, but common sense and documented cases show it is very rare and hasn't actually affected election outcome anywhere.

It's not about me winning; it's the reasoning that each and every vote should be valid. A single vote can decide an outcome.
ground Chuck

Charlottesville, VA

#19 Feb 2, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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November 2008 Elections. Woman drives up to C-ville poll location. Walks in and while holding her over-accessorized keychain declares that she forgot her ID. She is made to fill out paperwork and is allowed to vote. She walks out, gets in hr car, and drives off.
This is a factual account. How may times do you think this happened that day as well as last November's election. This is easy to do because not everyone who is listed on those polling lists actually show up to vote.
Those of us who already voluntarily provide proof of identification when we vote do not care if this law is passed. Ever notice that the ones who are totally against this law are the ones who are of the opinion that minorities and the elderly are too stupid to be able to obtain their own IDs.
Outlaw over-accessorized keychains, not the right to vote.
Sam

Charlottesville, VA

#20 Feb 2, 2013
4Justice wrote:
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It's not about me winning; it's the reasoning that each and every vote should be valid. A single vote can decide an outcome.
That's why there are recounts when results are close. Did you ever notice that?
Dude

Warrenton, VA

#21 Feb 2, 2013
4Justice wrote:
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It's not about me winning; it's the reasoning that each and every vote should be valid. A single vote can decide an outcome.
by that logic, disenfranchising voters should be equally abhorrent, right?

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