Black churchgoers break with leading Democrats on marriage amendment

Apr 21, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WCNC-TV Charlotte

Bishop Phillip Davis had not planned to talk about marriage and politics, but five minutes into his sermon at Nations Ford Community Church in Charlotte he changed his mind.

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They can break off all they want but they'd better find out which master they serve and that would be the teachings of Jesus Christ or the teachings of Jesus Christ's Latter Day Saints, the freaking idiots!
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And around and around it goes:
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When Jesus Christ returns on December 21 and takes one look at these hate churches; he will change his last name

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"Do you believe that at any point in our democracy, the majority should vote on the rights of a minority?"

“Do you believe that discrimination, hate and division should be legalized in our Constitution?"

Rev. William Barber, executive director the state NAACP, says blacks will vote no if “they are asked the right questions.”(from the article)

James Madison wrote:“It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part … If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure.”

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In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader Coretta Scott King stated that "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."

Wade Henderson, president and CEO of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, wrote in the Baltimore Sun on Jan.12 that blacks should support marriage equality legislation pending in the Maryland Legislature.
"And yet while their story of oppression and injustice is not the same as ours, it is equally valid. African-Americans recognize injustice when we see it. Gays and lesbians have been incarcerated, brutalized, lobotomized, raped, castrated, and robbed of their jobs, families and children." http://www.edgeboston.com/news/politics/news/...

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The Rev. Jesse Jackson, speaking in opposition to California's Proposition 8, said, "To those that believe in and fought for civil rights, that marched to end discrimination and win equality, you must not become that which you hated.... Those that support civil and human rights cannot, must not, become perpetrators of discrimination against others based upon race, religion, culture, sexual orientation."

In 2009, Julian Bond wrote, "Black people, of all people, should not oppose equality. And that is what gay marriage represents.... No people of good will should oppose marriage equality. And they should not think that civil unions are a substitute. At best, civil unions are separate but equal. And we all know separate is never equal."

John Lewis, testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Defense of Marriage Act, remarked, "I am very happy to see the Judiciary Committee holding hearings to address the issue of marriage equality. But at the same time, I must admit I find it unbelievable that in the year 2011 there is still a need to hold hearings and debate whether or not a human being should be able to marry the one they love."

Standing at a podium in front of the State Legislative Building for HKonJ last month, the Rev. Dr. William Barber II, North Carolina NAACP chairman, declared, "They're trying to give people, based on their sexuality, a kind of second- or third-class citizenship. We know what that looks like in the NAACP, and we're calling it what it is."

The Rev. Al Sharpton, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, South African President Nelson Mandela, the Rev. Dr. James Lawson, National NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous - a veritable Who's Who of civil rights - all support marriage equality.

Julian Bond, who testified, "When I'm asked if gay rights are civil rights, my answer is always:'Of course they are.' Civil rights are positive legal prerogatives, the right to equal treatment before the law.... There's no one in the United States who does not, or should not, share in enjoying these rights."

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Rev. Peter Gomes, Harvard University Chaplain: "If society waited for majority opinion and legislative action, African-Americans, for example, would still be enduring the indignities of separate but equal accommodation and the other manifestations of legal, social, and political segregation. If the decision of the Supreme Judicial Court in Goodridge is "judicial tyranny," let there be more of it...
To extend the civil right of marriage to homosexuals will neither solve nor complicate the problems already inherent in marriage, but what it will do is permit a whole class of persons, our fellow citizens under the law heretofore irrationally deprived of a civil right, both to benefit from and participate in a valuable yet vulnerable institution which in our changing society needs all the help it can get." (Boston Globe, 2/8/04)

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Coretta Scott King:

"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King, Jr., said,'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere'... I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."

"We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny... I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be," she said, quoting from her husband. "I've always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy."
"Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Georgia, and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions."

"We have to launch a campaign against homophobia in the black community."

"Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."

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"Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress."

"Any law that uplifts the human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust."

"An unjust law is a code that a majority inflicts on a minority that is not binding on itself. This is difference made legal. On the other hand a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal."

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It was civil rights leader Bayard Rustin, architect of the March On Washington and one of Dr. King's main advisors who in 1986 said: "The barometer of where one is on human rights questions is no longer the black community, it's the gay community, because it is the community which is most easily mistreated."

Rev. William Sinkford, former President, Unitarian Universalist Church.: "The Unitarian Universalist Association has a long-standing and deeply held religious commitment to support full equality for gay people. We dedicate ourselves to work for justice, grounded in faith, which calls us to support everyone's full humanity, everyone's ability to love, and everyone's value in the world.

Julian Bond said in 2005:“Many gays, many lesbians, worked side by side with me in the civil rights movement. Am I supposed to tell them now thanks for risking their lives and their limbs to help me win my rights but that they are excluded because of the circumstances of their birth? Not a chance.”
He also said; " I think Martin King would stand as his widow stood -- in favor of them."
Julian Bond again: "I see this as a civil rights issue. That means I support gay civil marriage."

“It is time to say forthrightly that the government’s exclusion of our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters from civil marriage officially degrades them and their families.”— Rep. John Lewis (D-GA)

Andrew Young said about marriage equality: "I think it would be consistent with our historic spirit of fairness and justice. But it also would be consistent with the spirit of grace and mercy as the path to peace that you judge not that you not be judged."

So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. Matthew 7:12

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LAWD have mercy; southern baptist weekend bobble thumpers speak. LAWD have mercy.

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well i'm glad aa are saying enough with this pro-gay agenda. no homosexuality is not 'normal' and will never be normalized in the aa community.

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DISASTER LOOMS wrote:
well i'm glad aa are saying enough with this pro-gay agenda. no homosexuality is not 'normal' and will never be normalized in the aa community.
With only 61% opposed to equal rights, it appears those who support marriage equality are increasing, while others are realizing discrimination and prejudice are always wrong.

Your belief being gay is not normal is not supported by you or any credible science. Every mainstream medical and mental health organization in the country disagree with your unsupportable belief. It is simply an irrational prejudice you were taught as a child. The only support for it is found in 6 mistranslated and misinterpreted ancient bible verses that were addressing pagan sex rituals and other harmful, abusive practices.

There is no rational, reasonable, or scientifically justifiable reason to treat gay people differently than you would want to be treated. The only excuse for prejudice and discrimination remains in a few questionable religious texts, which have been misinterpreted and mistranslated over time, and which are contradicted by other verses including the most important one according to Jesus, namely that you love God and love others the same. Accepting alternate interpretations of those few verses that seem to condemn same sex love does not require abandoning your religious beliefs, but merely expanding them to include the idea that God created all things, including gay people, and he wants you to love them as you love him, not judge and harm them.

You can overcome the harmful and destructive beliefs you were taught as a child, even though they continue to be taught by some adults including some who claim to speak for God, if you choose to educate yourself with reality, not harmful beliefs. But if you choose to use the law to punish and dehumanize gay people, you will bring harm, hate, and death to the world instead of love, as Jesus intended.

"In the court’s final analysis, the government’s only basis for supporting DOMA comes down to an apparent belief that the moral views of the majority may properly be enacted as the law of the land in regard to state-sanctioned same-sex marriage in disregard of the personal status and living conditions of a significant segment of our pluralistic society. Such a view is not consistent with the evidence or the law as embodied in the Fifth Amendment with respect to the thoughts expressed in this decision. The court has no doubt about its conclusion: DOMA deprives them of the equal protection of the law to which they are entitled."

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With only 61% opposed to equal rights,
We're not opposed to equal rights. We're opposed to special privileges for fringe minorities.
Everyone has the equal right to marry as the law prescribes.
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<quoted text>We're not opposed to equal rights. We're opposed to special privileges for fringe minorities.
Everyone has the equal right to marry as the law prescribes.
There are many whites who see blacks progessing as a threat to their race. As far as special privileges? Well the ball is still in the whites court. But that is why blacks need to pull their resources together and succeed as a people. The whole world would benefit from this.

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<quoted text>We're not opposed to equal rights. We're opposed to special privileges for fringe minorities.
Everyone has the equal right to marry as the law prescribes.
Adoption, employment, housing, public accommodations, as well as the more than 1,138 rights that accompany marriage are denied to gay people in some states and by the feds. Pejorative terminology does not change the reality of the law.

The legal marriages of gay people in the 8 states and many countries that recognize marriage equality are not treated equally to the legal marriages of others from those same jurisdictions. This is clearly discrimination under the law.

"Prejudice, we are beginning to understand, rises not from malice or hostile animus alone. It may result as well from insensitivity caused by simple want of careful, rational reflection or from some instinctive mechanism to guard against people who appear to be different in some respects from ourselves."

Conclusion: DOMA, "violates her right to equal protection of the law under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution".(Golinski)

"Proposition 8 is unconstitutional under both the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution." "Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples. Because California has no interest in discriminating against gay men and lesbians, and because Proposition 8 prevents California from fulfilling its constitutional obligation to provide marriages on an equal basis, the court concludes that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional."

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Blacks have a right to vote and stand on or against any issues they do not agree with. To line up civil rights leaders made by media do not mean that that black people will line up with them against their core of they belief. That mean because MLK and his wife, Jessie, Al, and other civil right leaders are not black peoples god and they follow them against their core belief. Because the gay community want the blacks to support them, blacks do not see their cause as a civil rights issue.

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Being gay is not normal..........

It serves no purpose..........

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NOM's plan to cultivate a "wedge" between minority communities was revealed earlier this week when the Human Rights Campaign circulated a previously confidential document after a federal judge in Maine ordered it to be unsealed. The December 2009 internal NOM document states, "We aim to find, equip, energize and connect African-American spokespeople for marriage; to develop a media campaign around their objections to marriage as a civil right."

In a written statement released Wednesday, NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous said, "This memo only reveals the limits of a cynical agenda. The truth is that no group, no matter how well-funded, can drive an artificial wedge between our communities. People of color understand what it is like to be the target of discrimination. No public relations strategy will make us forget that.”

The National Black Justice Coalition also denounced NOM on Wednesday. The non-profit's Executive Director and CEO Sharon Letteman-Hicks said in a written statement, "These documents expose NOM for what it really is—a hate group determined to use African American faith leaders as pawns to push their damaging agenda and as mouthpieces to amplify that hatred. With these memos made public, the black faith community must refuse to be exploited and refuse to deny their fellow brothers and sisters equal protections under the law." http://www.gay.net/news/2012/03/29/black-civi...

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LION wrote:
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There are many whites who see blacks progessing as a threat to their race. As far as special privileges? Well the ball is still in the whites court. But that is why blacks need to pull their resources together and succeed as a people. The whole world would benefit from this.
This is about gay marriage, not the black race. Y'all need to learn to graduate high school before you go yapping benefiting the whole planet.

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Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Adoption, employment, housing, public accommodations, as well as the more than 1,138 rights that accompany marriage are denied to gay people
...and straight people who aren't married.

There's no protection clause in employment, housing, and credit decisions for straight white men like there are for minority groups. <aybe straight white men should start demanding equal protection under the law, hmmm?
By the way,
...everyone has the equal right to marry,
.... as the law prescribes.

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