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#65 Feb 27, 2013
Take an English Class, the operative clause of the second amendment is the people not the militia. You can put turnip in parens beside every word of the bill of rights that doesn't make your interpretation any more accurate. The founding fathers were clear throughout the constitution when they meant state, federal government and people. When the rights are reserved for the state they said state, when they meant people they said people. It's ok if you fear a society where the people can have a scary black gun but don't violate the rules of grammar and sentence structure. The founding fathers were educated men, they knew what they were writing and there is countless writings to backup their position. I'm not sure if you know this but they (the people) had recently overthrown a sitting government by armed insurrection.
humph

Chesapeake, OH

#66 Feb 28, 2013
Jack, your line of thought is laughabl , and you want to talk about the NRA perverting the 2nd? What you just said is completely perverted from its original purpose.
Jack_4ral wrote:
One more time Class. "We the People of the United States". "We the People of the State of West Virginia". "We the People of the United States of America" demand as per the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People (States) to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". The 2nd Amendment doesn't even give an individual the right to buy Arms. Only to keep and bear Arms. There is no person or individual in the 2nd, only people as a whole. The subject of the 2nd is "A well regulated Militia, not the right to keep and bear Arms. The right to keep and bear Arms is a statement to the subject, A well regulated Militia. Being that the subject of the 2nd is directed solely to "Militia", the 2nd is as relative as the 3rd Amendment, "Obsolete".
hmmm

Charleston, WV

#67 Feb 28, 2013
Jack_4ral wrote:
One more time Class. "We the People of the United States". "We the People of the State of West Virginia". "We the People of the United States of America" demand as per the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People (States) to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". The 2nd Amendment doesn't even give an individual the right to buy Arms. Only to keep and bear Arms. There is no person or individual in the 2nd, only people as a whole. The subject of the 2nd is "A well regulated Militia, not the right to keep and bear Arms. The right to keep and bear Arms is a statement to the subject, A well regulated Militia. Being that the subject of the 2nd is directed solely to "Militia", the 2nd is as relative as the 3rd Amendment, "Obsolete".
. If they did not mean it for the individual then why were individuals fined on into the early 1900s in most places for not carrying one? It is very clear if you read some of their addresses or letters or speeches that they didn't even plan them just for protection from home invasion, but for the purpose of overthrowing our government if we needed to.
rod man

Hansford, WV

#68 Mar 1, 2013
Jack_4ral wrote:
<quoted text>When a blogger starts to correct English or teach English, they have admitted defeat.
LOL....right on!
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#70 Mar 3, 2013
I support and defend the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. A well regulated Militia (National Guard), being necessary to the security of a free State (The People), the right of the people (The State) to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The founding Fathers did not ratify the U.S. Constitution, We The People (States) ratified the U.S. Constitution. We the People of the United States is not, We the founding Fathers of the U.S.. We the People is State government, We the People is the Federal government. Individuals and persons are noted when noted in the Bill of Rights. The States are also noted when noted in the Bill of Rights, the States is the People, the People is the States. Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the People. Now, read it like this, are reserved to the People respectively, or to the States, there is no difference, the State is the People and the People is the State. Do I believe that individuals have the right to keep and bare arms, Yes, if the People (the State) says they can. Don't let the NRA, GOP and a perverted Supreme Court dictate the meaning of our Constitution. Corporations are NOT people.
Sammy

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#71 Mar 4, 2013
Jack_4ral wrote:
I support and defend the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. A well regulated Militia (National Guard), being necessary to the security of a free State (The People), the right of the people (The State) to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The founding Fathers did not ratify the U.S. Constitution, We The People (States) ratified the U.S. Constitution. We the People of the United States is not, We the founding Fathers of the U.S.. We the People is State government, We the People is the Federal government. Individuals and persons are noted when noted in the Bill of Rights. The States are also noted when noted in the Bill of Rights, the States is the People, the People is the States. Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the People. Now, read it like this, are reserved to the People respectively, or to the States, there is no difference, the State is the People and the People is the State. Do I believe that individuals have the right to keep and bare arms, Yes, if the People (the State) says they can. Don't let the NRA, GOP and a perverted Supreme Court dictate the meaning of our Constitution. Corporations are NOT people.
Try to be brief and to the point when writing.
humph

Chesapeake, OH

#72 Mar 4, 2013
Jack, just because you can't understand plain simple English, doesn't mean that no one else does.....
Jack_4ral wrote:
I support and defend the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. A well regulated Militia (National Guard), being necessary to the security of a free State (The People), the right of the people (The State) to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The founding Fathers did not ratify the U.S. Constitution, We The People (States) ratified the U.S. Constitution. We the People of the United States is not, We the founding Fathers of the U.S.. We the People is State government, We the People is the Federal government. Individuals and persons are noted when noted in the Bill of Rights. The States are also noted when noted in the Bill of Rights, the States is the People, the People is the States. Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the People. Now, read it like this, are reserved to the People respectively, or to the States, there is no difference, the State is the People and the People is the State. Do I believe that individuals have the right to keep and bare arms, Yes, if the People (the State) says they can. Don't let the NRA, GOP and a perverted Supreme Court dictate the meaning of our Constitution. Corporations are NOT people.

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#73 Mar 4, 2013
humph wrote:
Jack, just because you can't understand plain simple English, doesn't mean that no one else does.....
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Like Corporations are People. When Massey Coal Corporation is executed for Murdering coal miners, then I will believe it. Executing Don Blankenship would suffice.
humph

Belle, WV

#74 Mar 4, 2013
Massey coal corperation no longer exists...... Coal miners know the inherant danger of their jobs, you want to execute car manufactors also? They kill many many more people than coal mines do....

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#75 Mar 5, 2013
In the collective the state and the people are the same, in a republic they are not.

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#76 Mar 5, 2013
A republic is a form of government in which the country is considered a "public matter", not the private concern or property of the rulers, and where offices of state are subsequently directly or indirectly elected or appointed rather than inherited. In modern times, a common simplified definition of a republic is a government where the head of state is not a monarch. Republics are also called Commonwealths. Massey Coal will always exist, the Name just changed. A car accident due to the neglect of a driver is not Murder by Coal management. X-underground Coal Miner.

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#77 Mar 7, 2013
In a Democracy one man equals one vote in a Republic a group of men select one of their peers to represent them. Despite the All State commercials, not everything you read on the Internet is true. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the (c'mon say it with me) REPUBLIC for which it stands...
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#79 Mar 9, 2013
A Republic is a government by "The People", "We the People of the United States in order to form a more perfect Union. You can not use the Pledge as an instrument or directive of government. When the Republicans changed it to a Prayer in the 50's, it no longer became a symbol of the United States as per the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Republic will always mean a government by the People. Group or Assembly as in People.Period.

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#80 Mar 10, 2013
So then that means in your special world that a republic is a government run by the states, because as I recall you believe that the people and the state are the same thing. Perhaps the two are only interchangeable when necessary to make your inaccurate interpretations of the constitution and other writings of the founding fathers, or is it founding states.
Nobody

Mooresville, NC

#81 Mar 11, 2013
Come take them Jack you effeminate pinko scumbag. Oh wait, you are against firearm ownership. I guess you will have to use the power of words to disarm me. You embody everything that is wrong with this country. Feel free to get the fuck out if you hate the laws here. No one is twisting your dainty little girlish arm to make you stay.
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#83 Mar 11, 2013
Chief63 wrote:
So then that means in your special world that a republic is a government run by the states, because as I recall you believe that the people and the state are the same thing. Perhaps the two are only interchangeable when necessary to make your inaccurate interpretations of the constitution and other writings of the founding fathers, or is it founding states.
We the People of the United States of America. Period. The States are made up of the People of the United State of America. Period. Think! The U.S. Constitution is a document that gives the People as a Collective the right to govern themselves. Once the States ratified the U.S. constitution it became sealed, there is no going back, the individual citizen became one of many. The only way out is to leave this Country or die. If individuals take up Arms against our Republic, they will suffer the consequences. If a State or States take up Arms against our Republic, they will suffer the consequences.

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#84 Mar 11, 2013
10th Amendment to the Constitution: The POWERS NOT DELEGATED TO THE UNITED STATES BY THE CONSTITUTION, NOR PROHIBITED BY IT TO THE STATES, ARE RESERVED TO THE STATES RESPECTIVELY, OR TO THE PEOPLE.
Get real

Chesapeake, OH

#85 Mar 11, 2013
For one have you ever thought that there is a reason that we have not since the revolutionary war has there been a war fought on American soil ! It's for the simple fact that the second amendment gives everyone the right to bare arms is the reason because there are more people in the United States than there is military personal and that 9 out of 10 people own a gun and that's why there has not been a war fought on American soil since because instead of facing a military armed force they would be facing an entire country , and that right was give to us also for the reason that our government could not turn into a dictatorship and declare Marshall law on the country and do what ever they please . That's why we have the right to bare arms to ensure that no government can oppress the people of the United States of America that's why we have
LOL

Ona, WV

#86 Mar 11, 2013
FMJ wrote:
People are paranoid. No one's taking the normal man's guns away.
The problem is there are no normal men. If you have paranoia and feel you need to have a gun then you are not normal.

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#87 Mar 11, 2013
Jack I beg you, we all beg you take an English Class or at least buy a lexicon.

re·spec·tive·ly /ri&#712;spektivl&#275 ;/ Adverb-separately or individually and in the order already mentioned (used when enumerating two or more items or facts that refer back to a...: "they received sentences of one year and eight months, respectively"

Take it up with Noah Webster.

Actually we fought the Revolutionary War, The War of 1812 and the Civil War all on American Soil get real.

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