Christ is NOT against Abortion nor Gays

Cookie_Parker

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#811 Jan 12, 2013
Jay wrote:
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I clearly said I'm not Christian and logically why would I lie about it when you and your opinions are meaningless to me. As a conservative I've always been upfront when asked about my views. I find liberals to be less forthcoming but that's a different topic
No attempt to equate homosexuality with anything other then to point out that in terms of reproduction it seems to be against the natural order of things that you apparently believe was created by the Christian god but I digress.
Yeah, yeah, yeah..you keep saying that..and then posting this
Jay wrote:
If God created the heavens and the earth according to the bible wouldn't the fact that gay people can't procreate argue against the notion that god and by extension his only son viewed homosexuality is natural?
Sorry, but your religious feelings are oozing out IMHO...you have YET to make a case against homosexuality and NOT mention God or the Bible.

Cookie_Parker

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#812 Jan 12, 2013
Jay wrote:
And for the one who says gays have biological children how many of those children are born to male/male couples or female/female couples and are directly the result of purely homosexual sex acts without the need for surrogates or test tubes and the like?
As for the human extinction fantasy no sorry I don't share It.
Duh...do you think? But the homosexual would have had to donate sperm or an egg.

What about the thousands of men and women who are heterosexual and cannot have children? Are they pointless under God, too?
Christ

Charleston, WV

#813 Jan 13, 2013
NEWSFLASH: there is only One Judge and none of you are it.
Queert to Death

United States

#814 Jan 13, 2013
Christ wrote:
NEWSFLASH: there is only One Judge and none of you are it.
And that of course is Judge Joe Brown beotches!!
Jay

Charleston, WV

#815 Jan 13, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, yeah, yeah..you keep saying that..and then posting this

Jay wrote, "If God created the heavens and the earth according to the bible wouldn't the fact that gay people can't procreate argue against the notion that god and by extension his only son viewed homosexuality is natural? "

Sorry, but your religious feelings are oozing out IMHO...you have YET to make a case against homosexuality and NOT mention God or the Bible.
Oh your grasping at straws here it's common knowledge in our judeo-Christian society that the bible teaches in some way or other that the heavens and the earth were created by an all powerful god.

One can't escape this basic biblical knowledge you already know this I'm sure again your grasping at straws.
Jay

Charleston, WV

#816 Jan 13, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>Duh...do you think? But the homosexual would have had to donate sperm or an egg.

What about the thousands of men and women who are heterosexual and cannot have children? Are they pointless under God, too?
Never said not being able to have children made anyone pointless I myself have no kids and never will, though many homosexuals CAN have kids though their non child bearing sex practices don't allow them to conceive because once again homosexuality doesn't result in the conception of future generations of human beings because it isn't natural. Mayhaps that's why gays make up only 10% or so of the earths population perfectly natural and normal though supposedly they be.

Cookie_Parker

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#817 Jan 14, 2013
Jay wrote:
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Oh your grasping at straws here it's common knowledge in our judeo-Christian society that the bible teaches in some way or other that the heavens and the earth were created by an all powerful god.
One can't escape this basic biblical knowledge you already know this I'm sure again your grasping at straws.
Well, the bible isn't a history book nor a science book but was written down from oral history, meaning it could be all wrong. Also, it's filled with myths, as it was written during the mythological times, not scientific times.

It's also jam packed with parables, not facts from Christ, and with JEwish laws of over 2,000 years before. So, putting stock in your mythological, parable telling history of laws of the jews isn't a safe bet on anything.

Cookie_Parker

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#818 Jan 14, 2013
Jay wrote:
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Never said not being able to have children made anyone pointless I myself have no kids and never will, though many homosexuals CAN have kids though their non child bearing sex practices don't allow them to conceive because once again homosexuality doesn't result in the conception of future generations of human beings because it isn't natural. Mayhaps that's why gays make up only 10% or so of the earths population perfectly natural and normal though supposedly they be.
Well, the making love may not cause a child, but they can certainly donate sperm and provide a uterus and that is basically what procreates...
Yes

Cedar Grove, WV

#819 Jan 14, 2013
Thank You Jesus. I can't wait until he returns.
Jay

Charleston, WV

#820 Jan 14, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>Well, the bible isn't a history book nor a science book but was written down from oral history, meaning it could be all wrong. Also, it's filled with myths, as it was written during the mythological times, not scientific times.

It's also jam packed with parables, not facts from Christ, and with JEwish laws of over 2,000 years before. So, putting stock in your mythological, parable telling history of laws of the jews isn't a safe bet on anything.
Why are you telling me this I've never read the bible and I don't really care to as I'm not christian and attend no church.

Again it's common knowledge that the bible contradicts itself and is based on myths and legends of often difficult to verify origin. Which brings me to my next point since you apparently know this how can you matter of factly state that christ wasn't against gays without knowing him personally? For that matter how can someone say he was against gays without asking him. The point is nobody knows. All we have is a real world where gay people cant conceive children on their own without some form of outside help that bypasses their unnatural sex practices the need for this being because these practices seem to go against natural law (child birth results from union of man and women.) which may or may not have been laid down by an all powerful god and endorsed by his only son.
Jay

Charleston, WV

#821 Jan 14, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>Well, the making love may not cause a child, but they can certainly donate sperm and provide a uterus and that is basically what procreates...
Tsk tsk in any case they are still working around the fact that they can't do it on their own through homosexual practices.

Look lady Ive got nothing against gays I honestly believe that most generally cant help it, I also don't believe they should be ostracized or ridiculed purely for being different.

But that doesn't change the fact that biologically speaking homosexuality isn't natural it doesnt result in the continuation of the human race which in simplest terms is the underlying main purpose behind the need for sex.

Cookie_Parker

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#822 Jan 15, 2013
Jay wrote:
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Why are you telling me this I've never read the bible and I don't really care to as I'm not christian and attend no church.
Again it's common knowledge that the bible contradicts itself and is based on myths and legends of often difficult to verify origin. Which brings me to my next point since you apparently know this how can you matter of factly state that christ wasn't against gays without knowing him personally? For that matter how can someone say he was against gays without asking him. The point is nobody knows. All we have is a real world where gay people cant conceive children on their own without some form of outside help that bypasses their unnatural sex practices the need for this being because these practices seem to go against natural law (child birth results from union of man and women.) which may or may not have been laid down by an all powerful god and endorsed by his only son.
Because I spent 45 years READING the bible. I know I was taught Christ and Christianity were about love, compassion, tolerance and nonjudgment. I'm no longer a Christian because of the born again evangelical republican cult that took over. I figure if people could change their beliefs so quickly, there really wasn't anything "magical" in the beliefs to begin with.

Cookie_Parker

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#823 Jan 15, 2013
Jay wrote:
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Tsk tsk in any case they are still working around the fact that they can't do it on their own through homosexual practices.
Look lady Ive got nothing against gays I honestly believe that most generally cant help it, I also don't believe they should be ostracized or ridiculed purely for being different.
But that doesn't change the fact that biologically speaking homosexuality isn't natural it doesnt result in the continuation of the human race which in simplest terms is the underlying main purpose behind the need for sex.
It's natural. It is a genetic disposition causing an attraction sexually to the same sex. HAppens in the animal kingdom, as well. While it may not be the Majority sexual disposition,it is natural.

Show me the "natural" look in humans.
Jay

Charleston, WV

#824 Jan 15, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>Because I spent 45 years READING the bible. I know I was taught Christ and Christianity were about love, compassion, tolerance and nonjudgment. I'm no longer a Christian because of the born again evangelical republican cult that took over. I figure if people could change their beliefs so quickly, there really wasn't anything "magical" in the beliefs to begin with.
All religious leaders are judgmental in some capacity like any of them I'm sure Christ laid down some ground rules for his followers to gain entry into his fathers kingdom. I find it hard to believe that he'd take anyone regardless of how they disobeyed him.

To further reinforce this point just look at how you've rushed to judge and label me in every thread of yours I've commented on very Christ like?

And you ought to know that Christianity covers a wide spectrum of beliefs and encompasses many denominations. According to Wikipedia only 26.3% of us christians are evangelical. I have every confidence that your real problem is that these folks vote republican just as you have with anyone who espouses views different from your own you are the intolerant bigot here you are the problem.
Jay

Charleston, WV

#825 Jan 15, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>It's natural. It is a genetic disposition causing an attraction sexually to the same sex. HAppens in the animal kingdom, as well. While it may not be the Majority sexual disposition,it is natural.

Show me the "natural" look in humans.
A man inseminating a female is the natural way you know this and I've repeated it several times already the only reason you wont concede this is because of your ego.

Many mental illnesses and other disorders have genetic components and lead to abnormal behavior and effect a relative minority of the population does that mean the folks who suffer from these issues are perfectly normal? And that debilitating mental illnesses and or health problems that have a genetic component are natural?

Cookie_Parker

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#826 Jan 15, 2013
Jay wrote:
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All religious leaders are judgmental in some capacity like any of them I'm sure Christ laid down some ground rules for his followers to gain entry into his fathers kingdom. I find it hard to believe that he'd take anyone regardless of how they disobeyed him.
To further reinforce this point just look at how you've rushed to judge and label me in every thread of yours I've commented on very Christ like?
And you ought to know that Christianity covers a wide spectrum of beliefs and encompasses many denominations. According to Wikipedia only 26.3% of us christians are evangelical. I have every confidence that your real problem is that these folks vote republican just as you have with anyone who espouses views different from your own you are the intolerant bigot here you are the problem.
My problem with the born again evangelical political cult movement started with Graham and Nixon in the mid 70's is that they are NOT Christian at all. The espouse blaming the poor for their own demise as opposed to recognizing the jobs loss and wage reduction in this nation. They favor giving more money to the rich and keeping the tax cuts to the rich going while taxing the working poor who don't make enough to pay the ADDITIONAL income at the end of the year. They favor cutting off health care for the poor, food stamps for the food, food programs for poor children in school and birth control and abortion for poor women.

Born again evangelical CLAIM Christianity and try to shout down any Christians who argue with them with quotes from Leviticus, but never, EVER quote Christ on compassion, love, tolerance and NONjudgemnet.

I don't care that they vote republican. Republican voting and their tea party membership indicate they are NOT Christians.

They push the "wedge issue" the politicians LOVE because then it's not about voting of the economy or who is making America stronger, it is about making sure there are NO abortions...NO gay marriages, NO immigrants made legal. It's phony, it's not in line with Christ's teachings, and it's a false religion wrapped in fascism. Hitler was successful at doing it. I think we have FAR too many REAL Christians and I think they are already losing credibility in this nation.
Jay

Charleston, WV

#827 Jan 16, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>My problem with the born again evangelical political cult movement started with Graham and Nixon in the mid 70's is that they are NOT Christian at all. The espouse blaming the poor for their own demise as opposed to recognizing the jobs loss and wage reduction in this nation. They favor giving more money to the rich and keeping the tax cuts to the rich going while taxing the working poor who don't make enough to pay the ADDITIONAL income at the end of the year. They favor cutting off health care for the poor, food stamps for the food, food programs for poor children in school and birth control and abortion for poor women.

Born again evangelical CLAIM Christianity and try to shout down any Christians who argue with them with quotes from Leviticus, but never, EVER quote Christ on compassion, love, tolerance and NONjudgemnet.

I don't care that they vote republican. Republican voting and their tea party membership indicate they are NOT Christians.

They push the "wedge issue" the politicians LOVE because then it's not about voting of the economy or who is making America stronger, it is about making sure there are NO abortions...NO gay marriages, NO immigrants made legal. It's phony, it's not in line with Christ's teachings, and it's a false religion wrapped in fascism. Hitler was successful at doing it. I think we have FAR too many REAL Christians and I think they are already losing credibility in this nation.
Your problem is that they vote republican and that they hold conservative views that's it everything else is an excuse.

And your right conservative virtues of honor, duty, loyalty, hard work, individual responsibility, and personal liberty and pride are disappearing.

Look at divorce rates, crime statistics, the average persons propensity to lie and cheat and the decline of national pride to see the effects of this.

Cookie_Parker

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#828 Jan 16, 2013
Jay wrote:
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Your problem is that they vote republican and that they hold conservative views that's it everything else is an excuse.
And your right conservative virtues of honor, duty, loyalty, hard work, individual responsibility, and personal liberty and pride are disappearing.
Look at divorce rates, crime statistics, the average persons propensity to lie and cheat and the decline of national pride to see the effects of this.
No, they support the rich getting rich and all things anti-Christ. They were created this way, this movement, to get the republicans more votes.

YOUR problem is you know I am right and you can't defend against it.
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whitepony87

Mooresville, NC

#831 Jan 20, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Because I spent 45 years READING the bible. I know I was taught Christ and Christianity were about love, compassion, tolerance and nonjudgment. I'm no longer a Christian because of the born again evangelical republican cult that took over. I figure if people could change their beliefs so quickly, there really wasn't anything "magical" in the beliefs to begin with.
Holy crap you are 45? How do you have so much time to clog up this site with all of your retardation? Don't most 45 year old people have a job, and a family, and a life? All you seem to have is time and crazy opinions. No wonder you are so angry, your life must be shit if you are doing this at 45. What are you some kind of angry gay old commie pinko with way too much time on your hands?
Jay

Charleston, WV

#832 Jan 20, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>No, they support the rich getting rich and all things anti-Christ. They were created this way, this movement, to get the republicans more votes.

YOUR problem is you know I am right and you can't defend against it.
Your the one struggling against my point that homosexuality goes against human nature because they can't have kids from its practices Your narrow viewpoints won't allow you to simply admit I've made a good point and move on.

Your only recourse is to try and drag the thread off topic as you do with most threads you post in.

Your views on republicans are based on left wing stereotypes you've admitted to having no conservative friends at all. My views on republicans and conservative values are based on how embracing them has allowed me to live a better life despite modest means.

Thanks to conservatism I know that the American dream is no myth and that I'm not alone as all of my happiest, most caring, most sincere, and most accomplished friends are conservative. I wish I could say the same for my liberal friends many of whom deal with drug problems, have petty criminal records, and are in and out of jobs but because of all this I cant.

Being the sort of person I am I don't hesitate to suggest hard work and individual responsibility because i know from experience it works, but in this day and age most take a dim view of such a concept, it's a shame really I believe nearly everyone has the tools to be either their greatest asset or worst enemy to free themselves from laziness and mediocrity but sadly more and more don't seem to want to believe in themselves which is music to your ears I'm sure as these people more often then not vote to keep democrats in power.

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