Christ is NOT against Abortion nor Gays

Cookie_Parker

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#664 Dec 10, 2012
Tess wrote:
Perhaps Christ forgives both abortion and homosexuality. That doesn't mean either one is recommended.
There's no forgiving, as neither is a sin.

If you believe they are sins then you are NOT a Christian.

Cookie_Parker

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#665 Dec 10, 2012
CherryTheTart wrote:
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Oh yeah all those liberals hide behind facts. Teh stoopid is strong with this one.
GodSmacked is a troll who is so obsessed with me, HE follows me all over the place. If you ignore him, it pisses him off so he goes PMs all his other little friends to come here.

Cookie_Parker

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#666 Dec 10, 2012
CherryTheTart wrote:
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You are correct. The Hebrews knew about and practiced abortion. There is an abortion in the Bible.
Jesus did not mention homosexuality IMO, although there are those who say that Jesus was married to a man (the one he told his Mother was to be a son to her).
The Religious Authoritarians use the civil regs of the tribe of Levi and Paul to condemn gay folks.
Which proves they are NOT Christians.
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Since: Jul 12

Warriormine, WV

#668 Dec 10, 2012
CherryTheTart wrote:
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Killing does not equal "murder." There are plenty of instances when killing is approved of or ignored. The commandment is against murder.
There are instances when murder is approved of or ignored. We are not debating whether it is legal to have an abortion (murdering a barely formed person), we are arguing as to whether Jesus is going to tell you that you did the right thing when you meet him in Heaven, right? Certainly you can do any sort of sinning and still redeem your soul by being forgiven - but if your goal is to live by the teachings of Jesus, you should avoid abortions - Jesus would want you to take responsibility for the child you created.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#669 Dec 10, 2012
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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There are instances when murder is approved of or ignored. We are not debating whether it is legal to have an abortion (murdering a barely formed person), we are arguing as to whether Jesus is going to tell you that you did the right thing when you meet him in Heaven, right? Certainly you can do any sort of sinning and still redeem your soul by being forgiven - but if your goal is to live by the teachings of Jesus, you should avoid abortions - Jesus would want you to take responsibility for the child you created.
Jesus was a Jew. Jews of Jesus era knew about and practiced abortion. There is an abortion in the Bible. Jesus never mentioned abortion.

There is no child until I make it. I get to decide whether to do that or not. Not YOU. Not the State.

http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm

Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires abortion. Where the mother's life is in jeopardy because of the unborn child, abortion is mandatory.

An unborn child has the status of "potential human life" until the majority of the body has emerged from the mother. Potential human life is valuable, and may not be terminated casually, but it does not have as much value as a life in existence. The Talmud makes no bones about this: it says quite bluntly that if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, you cut it up within her body and remove it limb by limb if necessary, because its life is not as valuable as hers. But once the greater part of the body has emerged, you cannot take its life to save the mother's, because you cannot choose between one human life and another.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#670 Dec 10, 2012
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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There are instances when murder is approved of or ignored. We are not debating whether it is legal to have an abortion (murdering a barely formed person), we are arguing as to whether Jesus is going to tell you that you did the right thing when you meet him in Heaven, right? Certainly you can do any sort of sinning and still redeem your soul by being forgiven - but if your goal is to live by the teachings of Jesus, you should avoid abortions - Jesus would want you to take responsibility for the child you created.
Murder is never approved of or ignored. There is no statute of limitations on murder, for example. Hysterical dramatic lies do not an argument make. But if you Forced Birthers stuck to the facts, you would have no argument.

But tell me this:

We know that women have the same number of abortions whether it is legal or illegal. We know that one in every four women will have an abortion at some time in their reproductive lives. We know that most women who abort already have a child or children. We know this because abortion is legal and we can study it.

How do you propose to fund the investigation, trial and incarceration of 1/4 of the female population for murder and care for the children left behind? Bond issues? Do tell.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#671 Dec 10, 2012
Tess wrote:
Perhaps Christ forgives both abortion and homosexuality. That doesn't mean either one is recommended.
Are you recommending abortion? Do you actually read the Bible? Do you know what Jesus said about God? I do. You are full of cogga.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#672 Dec 10, 2012
wow wrote:
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/0 8/28/gop-convention-approves-s olidly-pro-life-abortion-platf orm/ Read who supports what , find out the truth, who endorses partial birth abortion ,the democrat party, look and see how hard the GOP fought against partial birth abortion only to be vetoed by a dem.
Lifenews? Laughing at you. There is a sucker born every minute.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#673 Dec 10, 2012
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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There are instances when murder is approved of or ignored. We are not debating whether it is legal to have an abortion (murdering a barely formed person), we are arguing as to whether Jesus is going to tell you that you did the right thing when you meet him in Heaven, right? Certainly you can do any sort of sinning and still redeem your soul by being forgiven - but if your goal is to live by the teachings of Jesus, you should avoid abortions - Jesus would want you to take responsibility for the child you created.
Please list the instances when murder is ignored. Links? Proof?

Since: Jul 12

Warriormine, WV

#674 Dec 11, 2012
CherryTheTart wrote:
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Please list the instances when murder is ignored. Links? Proof?
War
Capitol Punishment
Abortion

Since: Jul 12

Warriormine, WV

#675 Dec 11, 2012
No one is arguing whether you are allowed to have an abortion - have as many as you like. No one is forcing you to be a parent or treating you like a dog - it just so happens that any person with a person growing inside them has no choice but to take responsibility for the situation, either by abortion or by giving birth. Women DO have that choice - as you have mentioned - even when abortion is illegal, abortions are still carried out.

BUT - your logic is flawed when you claim that Jesus approves of it because no one happened to quote him disapproving of it in the Bible. If the game is: find the verse where Jesus says don't have an abortion - I guess you win. The Bible is not that straight forward. I do know that the Bible tells stories of Jesus meeting people in the most horrible living conditions, living horrible lives, but he still did not advise women to have abortions to prevent people like this from existing. He advised that people CARE for their children, neighbors, and people they don't even know. That is the example that he created for people to follow. He advised against killing. Any good Jesus follower knows that.

If you feel so strongly about aborting children before they are able to have crappy lives - perhaps you should admit to yourself that your principles and ethics are not in line with those of Jesus. No one is forcing you to follow Jesus's teachings - and you are trying to manipulate them to suit your own views. Why not just leave Jesus out of this? You know what he would say about it if you asked him today.
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Skunk holler bill

Troy, VA

#677 Dec 11, 2012
How do you know Christ isn't agains't abortions and gays? Just askin???? How would we know if he is?? Just askin. I think someone has been having a one sided conversation.
Nancy

Chesapeake, VA

#678 Dec 11, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
proving yet again the born again evangelical churches are just political cults and NOT places where Christians worship.
Cookie, I'm sure you made the topic statement! But, can you bake it up with facts? I bet you can't.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#679 Dec 11, 2012
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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War
Capitol Punishment
Abortion
Nope. I will make it easier for you. Link me to one case in which a woman was arrested, tried, convicted and incarcerated for having an abortion in America, both when abortion was legal and/or illegal. Unbiased sites only.

Just foaming away like a fruitbat does not an argument make. Well, at least to sane people.
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Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#681 Dec 11, 2012
Nancy wrote:
<quoted text>Cookie, I'm sure you made the topic statement! But, can you bake it up with facts? I bet you can't.
You do not read much, do you? Google Rev. Scott Lively.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#682 Dec 11, 2012
Earl wrote:
<quoted text>How would you a heithern know????
WTF is a "heithern." Is this a new sect?

Since: Jul 12

Warriormine, WV

#683 Dec 11, 2012
CherryTheTart wrote:
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Nope. I will make it easier for you. Link me to one case in which a woman was arrested, tried, convicted and incarcerated for having an abortion in America, both when abortion was legal and/or illegal. Unbiased sites only.
Just foaming away like a fruitbat does not an argument make. Well, at least to sane people.
Arrested, tried, and convicted by who? Jesus? Are you interested in following the teachings of Jesus or following the law? I can point out more than one discrepancies between the two.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#684 Dec 12, 2012
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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Arrested, tried, and convicted by who? Jesus? Are you interested in following the teachings of Jesus or following the law? I can point out more than one discrepancies between the two.
Public health policy is not religious, for one. Neither is Civil Law. You cannot prove abortion is murder. So when you call some woman who has had an abortion a murderer, you are lying and sneering. And being a drama queen.

Jesus said not one word about abortion. Jews of his era knew about and practiced abortion. Jewish law permits and sometimes mandates abortion. Jesus was a Jew.

You are not my religious teacher. Let us get that straight right now. Fat chance you know more about the Bible and religion than me. God is the only one who can judge my soul.

Since: Jul 12

Warriormine, WV

#685 Dec 12, 2012
CherryTheTart wrote:
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Public health policy is not religious, for one. Neither is Civil Law. You cannot prove abortion is murder. So when you call some woman who has had an abortion a murderer, you are lying and sneering. And being a drama queen.
Jesus said not one word about abortion. Jews of his era knew about and practiced abortion. Jewish law permits and sometimes mandates abortion. Jesus was a Jew.
You are not my religious teacher. Let us get that straight right now. Fat chance you know more about the Bible and religion than me. God is the only one who can judge my soul.
You can also not prove that Jesus approves of abortion.

Jesus didn't mention Ponzi Schemes, but that doesn't mean that he supports them. Jesus didn't mention weapons of mass destruction, but that doesn't mean he supports making and using them. Jesus didn't mention that women should have equal voting rights, but that doesn't mean that he is against it. Jesus didn't mention lots of stuff, so the people alive today have to study the message Jesus DID pass on and infer the principles to modern issues.

When did Jesus do or say ANYTHING that would lead a person to decide to have an abortion?

Was it legal to have an abortion past the first trimester back in Jesus's day? You never mentioned what was so special about week 12 that changes Jesus's abortion attitude.

I don't want to be your religious leader - I want to encourage you to apply logic to your religious claims.
TskTsk

Charleston, WV

#686 Dec 12, 2012
No one can even prove that Jesus existed. People like to state what is "right", and then use Jesus' approval as evidence. News flash, it's all BULL. It's nothing more than personal opinions. Don't use Jesus as confirmation for your narrow-minded opinion, because you are lying.

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