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Hum

Charleston, WV

#122 Jan 22, 2013
faith wrote:
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that would be a good idea.. then you can be thankful that it is an anonymous post lol... kidding.. have a good night and be safe
,,,,,,yeah no doubt,, you also have a great night sweet dreame,, burp,, excuse me,, lol

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#123 Jan 23, 2013
Faith, I don't know what else to tell you but I will try.

Yes, I was brought up in church and went from as far as I can remember through most of my teens. Let's see, I was probably 13-14 when I started having real doubts about religion. At 18 or so I began looking at any other god and why I did not believe in it. I realized I could take my reasons for not believing in that deity, apply it to my own and have zero difference.

It didn't make sense to me that there had been and are currently so many religions. If there were a supreme creator who wanted a relationship with us I think it would be obvious and you wouldn't have Islam, Hinduism, etc., You'd only have the one.

I did not understand why miracles that were so common in the bible are non existent today. People claim Jesus healed granny but it's always something like "after she took 3 rounds of chemo", or its something that could be explained away by natural processes. Never do you see an arm or leg grow back.

I was in my early twenties probably when I just completely lost faith in any god. I prayed for its return, for quite a while, but I came to the realization that I was simply talking to myself.

I took a while getting used to the idea that once you die, it's game over, but I've made my peace with it now. To me, not believing that your going to live on past death makes life all the more precious. How many of those 911 hijackers or countless suicide bombers over the years would have kept their conviction if they did not think paradise awaited them?

I don't know if this answered anything for you or just adds more questions.
Hum

Charleston, WV

#124 Jan 23, 2013
YFNA wrote:
Faith, I don't know what else to tell you but I will try.
Yes, I was brought up in church and went from as far as I can remember through most of my teens. Let's see, I was probably 13-14 when I started having real doubts about religion. At 18 or so I began looking at any other god and why I did not believe in it. I realized I could take my reasons for not believing in that deity, apply it to my own and have zero difference.
It didn't make sense to me that there had been and are currently so many religions. If there were a supreme creator who wanted a relationship with us I think it would be obvious and you wouldn't have Islam, Hinduism, etc., You'd only have the one.
I did not understand why miracles that were so common in the bible are non existent today. People claim Jesus healed granny but it's always something like "after she took 3 rounds of chemo", or its something that could be explained away by natural processes. Never do you see an arm or leg grow back.
I was in my early twenties probably when I just completely lost faith in any god. I prayed for its return, for quite a while, but I came to the realization that I was simply talking to myself.
I took a while getting used to the idea that once you die, it's game over, but I've made my peace with it now. To me, not believing that your going to live on past death makes life all the more precious. How many of those 911
hijackers or countless suicide bombers over the years would have kept their conviction if they did not think paradise awaited them?
I don't know if this answered anything for you or just adds more questions.
YFNA I owe you an apology,, we actually think a lot alike. I'm not goin to say there is no god but I personally have come to the conclusion that there is not, and like you I think when you die that is it. Did take me a little longer than you, I was in my 40's

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#125 Jan 23, 2013
Hum wrote:
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YFNA I owe you an apology,, we actually think a lot alike. I'm not goin to say there is no god but I personally have come to the conclusion that there is not, and like you I think when you die that is it. Did take me a little longer than you, I was in my 40's
Not a problem, you need to come to Topix with a thick skin.

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#126 Jan 23, 2013
Jesus is a fact so get your facts straight.
texacana

Novi, MI

#127 Jan 23, 2013
Okay. Why do people post religious subjects and then get pissy when people don't believe how they do? Also if the subject is something such as " Jesus " why do non believers feel the need to even open the forum?? I don't get why Christians Catholics atheists and etc can't just say okay I believe this you believe that great goodbye..... always with the debates

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#128 Jan 23, 2013
texacana wrote:
Okay. Why do people post religious subjects and then get pissy when people don't believe how they do? Also if the subject is something such as " Jesus " why do non believers feel the need to even open the forum?? I don't get why Christians Catholics atheists and etc can't just say okay I believe this you believe that great goodbye..... always with the debates
It always seems that Atheist does stuff for show and attention. I understand some Christian groups does too but they don't speak for everybody. I've never met an Atheist that doesn't go out of their way to hate.

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#129 Jan 23, 2013
DavidHarveyWV wrote:
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It always seems that Atheist does stuff for show and attention. I understand some Christian groups does too but they don't speak for everybody. I've never met an Atheist that doesn't go out of their way to hate.
It seems christians do stuff for show and attention. I understand some Atheists do it to but they don't speak for everybody.

See how easy that is to turn around?

I doubt your claim about "hating", but, do you ask everyone you meet about their religion or lack thereof? Do you ask whether they are christian, agnostic, atheist etc? Otherwise how do you know you've never met an atheist who didn't go out of their way?
faith

Charleston, WV

#130 Jan 23, 2013
YFNA wrote:
Faith, I don't know what else to tell you but I will try.
Yes, I was brought up in church and went from as far as I can remember through most of my teens. Let's see, I was probably 13-14 when I started having real doubts about religion. At 18 or so I began looking at any other god and why I did not believe in it. I realized I could take my reasons for not believing in that deity, apply it to my own and have zero difference.
It didn't make sense to me that there had been and are currently so many religions. If there were a supreme creator who wanted a relationship with us I think it would be obvious and you wouldn't have Islam, Hinduism, etc., You'd only have the one.
I did not understand why miracles that were so common in the bible are non existent today. People claim Jesus healed granny but it's always something like "after she took 3 rounds of chemo", or its something that could be explained away by natural processes. Never do you see an arm or leg grow back.
I was in my early twenties probably when I just completely lost faith in any god. I prayed for its return, for quite a while, but I came to the realization that I was simply talking to myself.
I took a while getting used to the idea that once you die, it's game over, but I've made my peace with it now. To me, not believing that your going to live on past death makes life all the more precious. How many of those 911 hijackers or countless suicide bombers over the years would have kept their conviction if they did not think paradise awaited them?
I don't know if this answered anything for you or just adds more questions.
Thank you for being honest:) The Old Testament will give you alot of insight on why there are different religions. Christ proved himself with the miracles he preformed and rising again for our justification. He did is part. It is up to us (free will) to expect what he did in faith. He still is a living Savior and just because you have not seen what you expect or consider as a true miracle (an arm growing back ;), does not make his abilites any less. For if he healed us all and kept bad things from happening to us, what would we have to look forward to in Heaven.

I ask one thing. YOu dont know me and I dont know you, I have proved nothing to you, but Christ has; but please try praying. One day, he may open your eyes to something so glorious,(It may be something simple to others,or something that no one feels is worth even telling someone about, but to you, a true miracle).. YOu had faith once, try it out again :)

God Bless you, Ya NERD!!! lol

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#131 Jan 24, 2013
faith wrote:
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Thank you for being honest:) The Old Testament will give you alot of insight on why there are different religions. Christ proved himself with the miracles he preformed and rising again for our justification. He did is part. It is up to us (free will) to expect what he did in faith. He still is a living Savior and just because you have not seen what you expect or consider as a true miracle (an arm growing back ;), does not make his abilites any less. For if he healed us all and kept bad things from happening to us, what would we have to look forward to in Heaven.
I ask one thing. YOu dont know me and I dont know you, I have proved nothing to you, but Christ has; but please try praying. One day, he may open your eyes to something so glorious,(It may be something simple to others,or something that no one feels is worth even telling someone about, but to you, a true miracle).. YOu had faith once, try it out again :)
God Bless you, Ya NERD!!! lol
Ah, the old testament. Another problem I have with christianity. I've read the bible twice(skipped the "begats" the second time), the god described in the old testament is a bloodthirsty monster. Certainly not the same god as in the new testament. I find that the new testament is an attempt to make christianity a more palatable religion.

As for Jesus, he meets little of the criteria to be proved as having actually existed. If what we have for Jesus were the only proof for other historic figures we would conclude they did not indeed exist. With religion though, its dogma gets a pass all based on faith.

I'm sorry, many years ago(more than I care to admit) I got up from my knees, once again having begged for renewal of faith. I won't be bending them again. It isn't like it happened over night or was taken lightly. It would take empirical evidence for me now.
faith

Charleston, WV

#132 Jan 24, 2013
I will bend mine for you in prayer :) Dont think this ole girl will ever be able to dust hers off :) You seem like a very intelligent person, and very caring.Whether you realize it or not, the Lord did bless you with that! I pray you get your faith back. My Lord has never failed me. I have had alot of hardships and heartaches, but I will be bless with those burdens any day as long as I have him.
Take care of yourself, and I will be praying for you! You might just get a blessing soon. Even though you owe me nothing, please, when you get it, praise God for it, for it came from him, not any one elses' doing :)

LOL... one more question? Do you think there are or could be GHOST? LOL... God Bless you, Ya Nerd ;)

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