WVRph

Charleston, WV

#84 Feb 15, 2014
Pharmacist in WV. Here's the reason you are having trouble finding pharmacies to fill for them. In the 2013 law combatting Meth, there was a little side amendment that dealt with pain clinics. To provide pain management therapy in WV, you MUST register with DHHR and accept all insurances or at least attempt to get a contract. Hope Clinic refuses to do so. Why wouldn't they rather take $275 per visit in cash rather than get $30 from PEIA. They may be good doctors. The patients may be great people. But under the eyes of the law since 1/1/13, they trade prescriptions for cash payment. Pure and simple. They may do very well as physicians but none of that matters as long as they refuse to take insurance and register with the state. Therefore, their prescriptions are NOT valid in the state of WV until such time they register. Pressure them to contract with insurance. Otherwise, look into Drs Derakshan, Deer, Bowman, Nasher, or Smythe. The prescriptions they write aren't worth the paper they are written on until they become compliant with the most current law. No judgment just fact. Save your $275, get a pain doctor where you have no copay, and spend that money on your kids.
Oh, another insider hint...nobody, and I mean nobody on the planet, is allergic to Motrin, Codeine, Talwin, Tramadol, Naproxen, Medrol. You go to the doctor and state those allergies, you might as well say.."I'm a seeker and I only want anything that has the word Oxy in it". There are available pain doctors all of which have full prescriptive authority in WV. Enough of you go elsewhere and Hope will become compliant.
herp your derp

Charleston, WV

#85 Feb 16, 2014
WVRph wrote:
Oh, another insider hint...nobody, and I mean nobody on the planet, is allergic to Motrin, Codeine, Talwin, Tramadol, Naproxen, Medrol. You go to the doctor and state those allergies, you might as well say.."I'm a seeker and I only want anything that has the word Oxy in it". There are available pain doctors all of which have full prescriptive authority in WV. Enough of you go elsewhere and Hope will become compliant.
Hate to bust your bubble, but I can't take ibuprofen or naproxen because it interferes with my BP meds.
guy without insurance

United States

#86 Feb 17, 2014
WVRph wrote:
Pharmacist in WV. Here's the reason you are having trouble finding pharmacies to fill for them. In the 2013 law combatting Meth, there was a little side amendment that dealt with pain clinics. To provide pain management therapy in WV, you MUST register with DHHR and accept all insurances or at least attempt to get a contract. Hope Clinic refuses to do so. Why wouldn't they rather take $275 per visit in cash rather than get $30 from PEIA. They may be good doctors. The patients may be great people. But under the eyes of the law since 1/1/13, they trade prescriptions for cash payment. Pure and simple. They may do very well as physicians but none of that matters as long as they refuse to take insurance and register with the state. Therefore, their prescriptions are NOT valid in the state of WV until such time they register. Pressure them to contract with insurance. Otherwise, look into Drs Derakshan, Deer, Bowman, Nasher, or Smythe. The prescriptions they write aren't worth the paper they are written on until they become compliant with the most current law. No judgment just fact. Save your $275, get a pain doctor where you have no copay, and spend that money on your kids.
Oh, another insider hint...nobody, and I mean nobody on the planet, is allergic to Motrin, Codeine, Talwin, Tramadol, Naproxen, Medrol. You go to the doctor and state those allergies, you might as well say.."I'm a seeker and I only want anything that has the word Oxy in it". There are available pain doctors all of which have full prescriptive authority in WV. Enough of you go elsewhere and Hope will become compliant.
the reason most people like me do not have insurance, and the hope clinic is a great place for people in legit chronic pain. Because you go there.pay them (they make sure you are actually in pain). And they give you medication used for chronic pain as intended for. No bs shots. No making you to back bends or making you touch your knees to your chest. No goose chases basically is what im saying. I have loss of height in my l4 and l5 with degenerative disc diese. Along with knee pain. I first went to a Dr he sent me for a xray and week later he reviews it. He says "this basically says your back has been through Hell" then told me to eat better and dont be lifing heavy stuff. Wrote me naproxan and sent me on my way never heard from him again. That was over a year ago. The drs you mentioned like derakashan, are no different i know a person who goes there and he gives the legal doseage of hydrocodone 10mg. 2 pills 3 times a day! Thats 180 a month. And besides like i said mr pharmacist guy, no insurance means more money and name one of those drs who takes walk ins. They all require referrals and that can be a loooong process for someone like me in daily pain. So why not take $275 and get what i need.
EnlightenedRedne ck

Reedy, WV

#87 Feb 17, 2014
Too any pharmacists with a chip on their shoulder. When a pharmacist refuses to fill a patients prescription for pain meds, they are violating that patients rights, AND causing human suffering. there are people who have to have pain med's to keep pain at a tolerable level. Chronic pain is something these clueless, low-life idiot pharmacists do not understand, and karma will get them, don't worry. I understand there's people abusing their meds or selling them, but there are many who don't. It's sad that people are suffering because of ignorant, soulless pharmacists.
Wvrph

Hockessin, DE

#88 Feb 17, 2014
You guys are misinterpreting what I'm saying. I ALWAYS filled for the Hope Clinic and never had a problem with them. The issue is the law. People need to call their state legislator and inform them that an amendment added to a completely different topic had blocked access for people needing pain relief. The law states that they have to register with DHHR and take insurance. Personally, I don't think that is the role of government and the result is an inability to fill the prescriptions. Aside from their accepting cash only, I don't blame them because of the hassles of 3rd party contracts. But, the law is currently what it is. As a result, people have to go miles an miles to get their prescriptions filled. Pragmatically, there are 2 options. The state changes the law (which will not happen any time soon) or Hope gets compliant, I'm all about them fighting the power of the government but in the meantime I've been unable to fill their prescriptions. Perhaps I displaced my anger at them and their patients but it wasn't my intent. It's not the Hope Clinics fault that the government did what they did in 2013. It cost us a lot of business too. Hope provided pill counts, drug screening and really monitor their patients. But NONE of that matters is you have a law forcing them to accept insurance. It's like Obamacare for a doctor's office. The government forces us to have insurance and is forcing them to take insurance. Does it suck, yes. Is it wrong, yes. But what's the easiest solution?? They take insurance. I don't agree with that solution, I'm simply saying it is the easiest. They treat a lot of people and it is quicker and easier to pay up front rather than deal with insurance on both ends. I wasn't trying to judge them or the people who need them. I was trying to explain why we can't fill for them. Trust me, I don't make more money by turning away business. I have friends who Hope represented 50% if their business and now they have taken a huge financial loss. It's not fun in any way, shape, or form to look at someone suffering and say "Sorry we can't fill for them" and don't have the time to give the proper explanation why. But is sure as Hell isn't a good thing for pharmacy. We have a job to do like anybody else and if we can't do it, we don't get paid either. I didn't mean to sound harsh or uncaring, just pragmatic. I don't want them to surrender either, but if they don't, nobody benefits. Their are pharmacies out there that still do it, but it's only a matter of time before the government comes after them. But think logically and who benefits from this. Nobody. Patient?? No, they don't get the meds. Pharmacy? No, they don't get paid. Hope? No, eventually people say what's the point if I can't get my medicine. Dr Stanley is a great guy and I'm sure the rest of the staff is too. But it doesn't matter if a politician wants to say they are cracking down on abuse. Even though they are hurting the most monitored patients out there. Hope that clears it up and you see what I was getting at. Turning down business helps nobody. Shit, doesn't help the politician either because it's revenue.
Lastly, I said "allergy" not "interaction". Of course you can't take NSAIDS because you're on BP meds, but that's not an "allergy". It interacts with your existing list. I'm not accusing you personally of doing this but there are tell take signs of seekers. They go to ER's and list stuff they are allergic to so it narrows the option. That is a stark contrast to Hope patients. Seekers don't get I time tests, MRI's, pill counts and monthly appointments. I was trying to defend Hope but suggest Pain Docs who currently accept insurance so people can get treated. Did not mean to offend at all, just wanted you guys to know why I personally can't fill for them anymore even though I would like to.
Wvrph

Hockessin, DE

#89 Feb 17, 2014
herp your derp wrote:
<quoted text>
Hate to bust your bubble, but I can't take ibuprofen or naproxen because it interferes with my BP meds.
I apologize. I thought I only said allergies. You're absolutely right about drug interactions and contraindications. I didn't mean to include that. But with regards to allergies, never happens that people could be allergic to non narcotics only and it is a huge red flag to ER docs. But many people have conflicting conditions or medications to NSAIDS. Sorry I included that with an allergic reaction. Didn't mean to at all
Wvrph

Hockessin, DE

#90 Feb 17, 2014
guy without insurance wrote:
<quoted text> the reason most people like me do not have insurance, and the hope clinic is a great place for people in legit chronic pain. Because you go there.pay them (they make sure you are actually in pain). And they give you medication used for chronic pain as intended for. No bs shots. No making you to back bends or making you touch your knees to your chest. No goose chases basically is what im saying. I have loss of height in my l4 and l5 with degenerative disc diese. Along with knee pain. I first went to a Dr he sent me for a xray and week later he reviews it. He says "this basically says your back has been through Hell" then told me to eat better and dont be lifing heavy stuff. Wrote me naproxan and sent me on my way never heard from him again. That was over a year ago. The drs you mentioned like derakashan, are no different i know a person who goes there and he gives the legal doseage of hydrocodone 10mg. 2 pills 3 times a day! Thats 180 a month. And besides like i said mr pharmacist guy, no insurance means more money and name one of those drs who takes walk ins. They all require referrals and that can be a loooong process for someone like me in daily pain. So why not take $275 and get what i need.
Agree 1000%. It's just that the government has targeted insurance. It's the new fad. They want to force us to have it and force them to accept it. Hope Clinic is a great place and probably better than most of the people I listed. I wasn't suggesting them out of how good they are but rather, we are allowed to take their orders. You can still see them, pay cash, and get your prescription filled. Wasn't trying to judge them but explain why it's so hard. Completely unfair to Dr Stanley and the rest. They are nice people and insurance is a pain in the ass to deal with. It's just that now the gov says they have to take it and I can't fill their orders until they do. Was trying to provide an alternative until the law changed or they accept insurance.
Wvrph

Hockessin, DE

#91 Feb 17, 2014
EnlightenedRedneck wrote:
Too any pharmacists with a chip on their shoulder. When a pharmacist refuses to fill a patients prescription for pain meds, they are violating that patients rights, AND causing human suffering. there are people who have to have pain med's to keep pain at a tolerable level. Chronic pain is something these clueless, low-life idiot pharmacists do not understand, and karma will get them, don't worry. I understand there's people abusing their meds or selling them, but there are many who don't. It's sad that people are suffering because of ignorant, soulless pharmacists.
And they are idiots because they are losing money hand over fist too. I couldn't agree more and I didn't mean to sound like them. I took Hope rx's until 2013 when the state of WV told me I couldn't because they don't take insurance. I'd love to fight it and fill for them because they do good work. But I have kids to feed and I can't go without my license. Hope should be able to enter into a contract with a patient whether they have insurance or not. But, our politicians wrote a bad law. Nobody has taken the time to explain that to the patients. Sorry if I came off as rude. Not my intent. I wouldn't have recommended other doctors if I had an issue with chronic pain patients. My intent was to find a way to help you get the medication you need. I only turn down Hope because the government forces me too, I'd much rather make the patient happy, healthy, and also earn money for my family. Any prescription I turn away is ONLY done because the government forces me to. If I don't fill an order, not only do I not help somebody but I don't get paid. We all work for money. Too many pharmacists get off on telling people no. Eventually if karma doesn't get them, their bank account will because the less orders the fill, the less they get paid. If they can't have enough empathy to understand human kindness, maybe they can understand business. My mom has fibromyalgia and I've spent 20 years hearing that it's in her head. I almost beat down a doctor for calling it "fibro-my-imagination ". I was just trying to find a way for Hope patients to get their meds. They can't just "go without them" because the government thinks they need to take insurance.
blue

Lizemores, WV

#92 Feb 19, 2014
go to dr' kim next to st. frances get injections in your back you wont need pills
Laidlaw

United States

#93 Feb 20, 2014
The drs there are racist, if you are not WASP they will take your money and not give you an Rx to last until you have surgery, even with MRIs, referrals, already on pain meds etc, can someone please tell me another clinic that is legit
popcorn girl

Charleston, WV

#94 Feb 26, 2014
hi! i am interested in going to the hope clinic but hear it is very hard for pharmacies to fill medication. curious if there is a mail option pharmacy available?
dubVfan

South Point, OH

#95 Feb 26, 2014
Same here. Looking to go to the clinic. I actually have real back problems (l4-l5 ruptured/l5-s1 herniated/ degenerative disc disease/rediculapathy in my sciatic nerve). Are they legit? What meds are usually prescribed? I get perc 10s now from my family Dr (75 of them a month) but they don't help anymore. I do manual labor (basically anything to do with property upkeep) and I hurt like he!! When I get home from work.
say whaaaaa

Charleston, WV

#96 Feb 27, 2014
yep wrote:
So I googled pain clinics... I called them. It def seems
Shady. You take $235 cuz they don't bill Insurance, u need MRI, cat scan or
Xrays, and a photo id.
That place sounds real shady to me! What legitimate doctor doesn't bill insurance? There are pain specialists at both St. Francis & Thomas Memorial Hospitals that I know of.
need to know

Sewickley, PA

#97 Feb 28, 2014
can you fill the rx or not and if you can how
popcorn girl

Charleston, WV

#98 Mar 5, 2014
what about the mail order pharmacy?
GoingWillGiveLeg itReview

Milton, WV

#99 Mar 12, 2014
How old can an X ray report be?
GoingWillGiveLeg itReview

Milton, WV

#100 Mar 12, 2014
And I am going soon and I will give a legitimate review. I don't post bs rumors about a place I give my honest opinion.
DubVfan

South Point, OH

#101 Mar 12, 2014
GoingWillGiveLegitReview wrote:
How old can an X ray report be?
I called and they said as long as the X Ray, CT, or MRI is 7 years old or less you're good. I think you have to have. Radiology report with them though.
here

Bladensburg, MD

#102 Mar 13, 2014
Pain clinics are all about giving meds
GoingWillGiveLeg itReview

Racine, WV

#103 Mar 14, 2014
DubVfan wrote:
<quoted text>
I called and they said as long as the X Ray, CT, or MRI is 7 years old or less you're good. I think you have to have. Radiology report with them though.
what's that? I have a paper explaining what's wrong with my back its not the actual X ray tho

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