do drug dealers that overdose go to h...

do drug dealers that overdose go to heaven

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dead Jesse

Charleston, WV

#1 Apr 23, 2014
Anybody know? I assume not
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who knows

Charleston, WV

#3 Apr 23, 2014
My feeling is that no one could be certain of the answer to that. I think God knows what's inside our hearts, and genuinely good people who are caring and kind to others will sit beside Him when their time comes. None of us is perfect. That is the way I look at it. A lot of people on drugs have an illness which they try to run away from by using drugs. I always say we can't know what another person is dealing with, so I try not to judge. Of course, this is just what I think. I have heard many people say otherwise.
Ghetto in Heaven

Charleston, WV

#4 Apr 23, 2014
Hell yea they do. Heaven is like everywhere else it has it's ghettos and rehad centers and is just full of different classes of whatever it is we are called once we cross that threshold.

Answer this and answer honestly

Say you and some of your hommies are sitting on a cloud burning a blunt and sippingg on a 40 ounce and Jesus drives up and asks you to hop in and help him do a drive by on someone are you going to go with him or say no to Jesus?
jesse is in hades

Charleston, WV

#5 Apr 24, 2014
I'm pretty darn sure about that
No Free Passes

Parkersburg, WV

#6 Apr 24, 2014
No one goes to heaven because they are a "good person." There is one way to get there and one way only - Jesus Christ. If you have accepted him as Savior and Lord of your life? You go. If not? You don't. Now, the question becomes was that drug dealer following Christ?
awful

Charleston, WV

#7 Apr 24, 2014
No Free Passes wrote:
No one goes to heaven because they are a "good person." There is one way to get there and one way only - Jesus Christ. If you have accepted him as Savior and Lord of your life? You go. If not? You don't. Now, the question becomes was that drug dealer following Christ?
That is your opinion. You don't know any more than anyone else.
No Free Passes

Washington, DC

#8 Apr 24, 2014
awful wrote:
<quoted text> That is your opinion. You don't know any more than anyone else.
That is God's opinion. Mine doesn't matter and neither does yours. We will all stand before Him one day and give an account for our lives and the choices we made while living. It won't matter what we "thought" or " believed" about any given situation. It will only matter what HE SAID in His Word ... period.
Cabbage patch

Stafford, VA

#9 Apr 24, 2014
No Free Passes wrote:
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That is God's opinion. Mine doesn't matter and neither does yours. We will all stand before Him one day and give an account for our lives and the choices we made while living. It won't matter what we "thought" or " believed" about any given situation. It will only matter what HE SAID in His Word ... period.
Um yes kinda but you like so many others are leaving out a critical part....a "man" wrote the good book! Therefore you are taking the word of a "man" and not directly from God! Many many men have walked the earth claiming to be God and Jesus, and the truth is there has only been one man by the name of Jesus that truly gave his life. The real truth is that man wrote the good book, just like man wrote the Book of Mormon and a man wrote the Koran and on and on! Those are truths not assumptions!
awful

Charleston, WV

#10 Apr 24, 2014
No Free Passes wrote:
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That is God's opinion. Mine doesn't matter and neither does yours. We will all stand before Him one day and give an account for our lives and the choices we made while living. It won't matter what we "thought" or " believed" about any given situation. It will only matter what HE SAID in His Word ... period.
You are basing that it's Gods opinion on what, exactly? I, too, believe we will account for our sins. But, no one knows for sure what God will do with our thoughts, beliefs, etc. The Bible has many ways to interpret scriptures. None of us can say if our interpretations are right or wrong. When judgement day comes, someone who overdosed or even committed suicide very well may sit beside Him. Like you said, He will be the one to make the decisions. Not you or me. People who have lived good lives, shown kindness and mercy to others, but have come short of the glory of God (everyone comes short, because none of us are perfect), will be with Him forever, one day. That is my belief. If someone who has led a very good and honest life dies instantly in a sudden car crash, but earlier that morning they told their neighbor they couldn't babysit because they were sick (but they were not), their sudden death would send them to hell, in your way of thinking. My belief is that the God I have faith in would open his arms in grand style and welcome them to heaven! If the smallest of sins will put us in hell, no one would be in heaven. Death is so swift at times, there is no chance to ask for forgiveness for all our sins. My God is a kind, understanding and forgiving God.
awful

Charleston, WV

#11 Apr 24, 2014
Cabbage patch wrote:
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Um yes kinda but you like so many others are leaving out a critical part....a "man" wrote the good book! Therefore you are taking the word of a "man" and not directly from God! Many many men have walked the earth claiming to be God and Jesus, and the truth is there has only been one man by the name of Jesus that truly gave his life. The real truth is that man wrote the good book, just like man wrote the Book of Mormon and a man wrote the Koran and on and on! Those are truths not assumptions!
Excellent commentary!
Seriously

Washington, DC

#12 Apr 24, 2014
awful wrote:
<quoted text>... If someone who has led a very good and honest life dies instantly in a sudden car crash, but earlier that morning they told their neighbor they couldn't babysit because they were sick (but they were not), their sudden death would send them to hell, in your way of thinking ...Death is so swift at times, there is no chance to ask for forgiveness for all our sins. My God is a kind, understanding and forgiving God.
You put words in my mouth that I never spoke. My way of thinking is based on the Bible and there are not hundreds of ways to interpret it. People do take it and twist it this way and turn it that way, BUT that is only to assauge their own guilt. The Bible is clearly written and can be clearly understood by anyone who reads it WITHOUT trying to change it. THAT is the problem - rather than change ourselves to suit God, we change the Word to suit ourselves. Yes, the bible was written by "man" or several men, BUT they were inspired by the Holy Spirit and you can embrace it as "The Word of God" or you can call it a bunch of lies, but you can't do both. It is ALL right or it is ALL wrong and it is wrong to pick and choose what you will believe and what you will throw away.
No Free Passes

Washington, DC

#13 Apr 24, 2014
Cabbage patch wrote:
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Um yes kinda but you like so many others are leaving out a critical part....a "man" wrote the good book! Therefore you are taking the word of a "man" and not directly from God! Many many men have walked the earth claiming to be God and Jesus, and the truth is there has only been one man by the name of Jesus that truly gave his life. The real truth is that man wrote the good book, just like man wrote the Book of Mormon and a man wrote the Koran and on and on! Those are truths not assumptions!
NO! You are mistaken. This explains how we can know that the Word of God is inspired by God Himself:

http://www.bible.ca/b-science-evidences.htm
ramrod

Charleston, WV

#14 Apr 24, 2014
Ghetto in Heaven wrote:
Hell yea they do. Heaven is like everywhere else it has it's ghettos and rehad centers and is just full of different classes of whatever it is we are called once we cross that threshold.
Answer this and answer honestly
Say you and some of your hommies are sitting on a cloud burning a blunt and sippingg on a 40 ounce and Jesus drives up and asks you to hop in and help him do a drive by on someone are you going to go with him or say no to Jesus?
You don't even know what a blunt is.
awful

Charleston, WV

#15 Apr 24, 2014
Seriously wrote:
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You put words in my mouth that I never spoke. My way of thinking is based on the Bible and there are not hundreds of ways to interpret it. People do take it and twist it this way and turn it that way, BUT that is only to assauge their own guilt. The Bible is clearly written and can be clearly understood by anyone who reads it WITHOUT trying to change it. THAT is the problem - rather than change ourselves to suit God, we change the Word to suit ourselves. Yes, the bible was written by "man" or several men, BUT they were inspired by the Holy Spirit and you can embrace it as "The Word of God" or you can call it a bunch of lies, but you can't do both. It is ALL right or it is ALL wrong and it is wrong to pick and choose what you will believe and what you will throw away.
Well, because people each have their own individual brain, yes, there are many different interpretations of the word (Bible). You can think you have it interpreted the right way, but others, who may not believe as you, also might feel their interpretation is correct. At this point in my life, I obviously have not succumbed to death, so I can't say with certainty that my belief is positively from the Bible, because I may be wrong in my interpretation. If you, on the other hand, can say that you know exactly how the Bible is to be interpreted, then I applaud you. I might not agree with you, but I can still applaud your conviction that you know more than I do. Much of what I read in the Bible, I find I need to read it many times over, because it is not written simple enough to understand at times. That is why, I still say, certain parts can be interpreted in more than one way. And, who amongst us can say who is right or who is wrong? Not me.
Seriously

Parkersburg, WV

#16 Apr 24, 2014
awful wrote:
<quoted text> Well, because people each have their own individual brain, yes, there are many different interpretations of the word (Bible). You can think you have it interpreted the right way, but others, who may not believe as you, also might feel their interpretation is correct. At this point in my life, I obviously have not succumbed to death, so I can't say with certainty that my belief is positively from the Bible, because I may be wrong in my interpretation. If you, on the other hand, can say that you know exactly how the Bible is to be interpreted, then I applaud you. I might not agree with you, but I can still applaud your conviction that you know more than I do. Much of what I read in the Bible, I find I need to read it many times over, because it is not written simple enough to understand at times. That is why, I still say, certain parts can be interpreted in more than one way. And, who amongst us can say who is right or who is wrong? Not me.
All any of us can do is pray and ask the Holy Spirit to lead, guide and direct us in our understanding. However, that being said, I also believe that there aren't hundreds of way for it to be interpreted. If Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no one comes to the Father except through me," I believe it. There is not a hundred ways to interpret that - there is one way. That way is Jesus and only Jesus. Again, this answers the original question about the drug dealer. Did he accept Christ not only as Savior, but as Lord of his life? I don't know, but I have my concerns. Would a Christ follower be dealing drugs? You decide.

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#17 Apr 24, 2014
No Free Passes wrote:
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NO! You are mistaken. This explains how we can know that the Word of God is inspired by God Himself:
http://www.bible.ca/b-science-evidences.htm
Hah! That "evidence" provided in the link is laughable. Anything to promote ones chosen myth I guess.
Seriously

Parkersburg, WV

#18 Apr 25, 2014
YFNA wrote:
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Hah! That "evidence" provided in the link is laughable. Anything to promote ones chosen myth I guess.
You know what isn't laughable? The fact that you think God is a myth. You can believe whatever you would like - that's fine, but it doesn't make Him "go away" no matter how much you'd like Him to. Examine your heart. Why do you try to wish Him away? If you were honest, it is because you want to live the way you want to live - period. BUT, He is there. That doesn't change no matter what you or even I believe.

Let me take this one step further. You can believe that gravity does not exist. You can believe it with all of your heart. You can die in a fiery furnace declaring that gravity is nonexistent. After all, you can see it, taste it, smell it, so it must not exist. Nevertheless, it doesn't cause gravity to cease to exist. The same is true of God. He lives. He breathes. He reigns. He rules. He is. Believe what you'd like. It changes nothing.
Seriously

Parkersburg, WV

#19 Apr 25, 2014
CORRECTION:

...you CAN'T see it, taste it, smell it, so ...
Nancy

Chesapeake, VA

#20 Apr 25, 2014
Most rednecks are reduced of intellectual content of the brain and co no longer function as human beings due to slow learning capabilities and DNA passed down from parents and ancestors..Most of their learning is through puberty stage of life. The male start their puberty at a very late time in life, usually in the late teens to twenty five years, very slow learners, but once they reach the magic twenty five, their brain will no longer process new information. From that point on it is bib overall, tobacco spittin', potbellied, long bearded, shotgun carrying, sasquatch hunting until they are no more. But they are diligent with the keyboard, they love to argue. I find them very interesting.
your op ed

Charleston, WV

#21 Apr 25, 2014
Seriously wrote:
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You know what isn't laughable? The fact that you think God is a myth. You can believe whatever you would like - that's fine, but it doesn't make Him "go away" no matter how much you'd like Him to. Examine your heart. Why do you try to wish Him away? If you were honest, it is because you want to live the way you want to live - period. BUT, He is there. That doesn't change no matter what you or even I believe.
Let me take this one step further. You can believe that gravity does not exist. You can believe it with all of your heart. You can die in a fiery furnace declaring that gravity is nonexistent. After all, you can see it, taste it, smell it, so it must not exist. Nevertheless, it doesn't cause gravity to cease to exist. The same is true of God. He lives. He breathes. He reigns. He rules. He is. Believe what you'd like. It changes nothing.
Like some of the others said, these are all just your opinions based on your belief and interpretation of the bible. Trying to compare gravity's existence to God's existence is not evidence of anything either. Your bible isn't proof of anything unless you choose to believe it just because you can read it, touch it. You have never died and you have never spoken to anyone who has died. It's a nice book to believe in IF you want to go that route. Many people can read it and find it very questionable. All those statements about God ruling, reigning, breathing... You say them because of your belief in the bible, not because you yourself can prove anything.

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