Seriously

Chesapeake, OH

#84 Jan 24, 2013
If u two would quit bickering we could discuss the issue!!
I made the comment yesterday that I don't think people realize that children that play sports don't really get a break until the first week of July anyway. I had also read that one of the reasons for this plan is that some kids only receive a regular meal when school is in. My concern is they are using social issues over educational ones to push this agenda. Like I said my kids are very active in sports and I think the summer break is important for them. What about their social issue?
Year-Round Teacher

Charleston, WV

#85 Jan 24, 2013
I have worked at a year-round school in Charleston for five years and I LOVE it! The students love it, the parents don't mind it, my teacher friends from other schools are envious - I would never switch back to traditional calendar unless I had to. Nine weeks on, three weeks off...what's not to like? And it not only helps the low-income students all around, but it gives the high achieving students a break just when they need it. The students right on the cusp rarely regress over break, so reteaching is quite minimal. Snow days are made up during the year, so we pretty much always get our 180 days....I could go on and on all day, lol.

Be open-minded, people...year-round is a POSITIVE thing!
Mmmmm

Belle, WV

#86 Jan 24, 2013
Social issues? What will happen with year round schools is for one sports can be moved to their more traditional spots, I.e. baseball in the summer, football in the fall, and basketball in the winter, so they aren't so crunched into 8 months like they are now and they overlap so bad.....
Like the other poster said in almost all districts where year round school is used, almost all involved absolutely love it.
Seriously wrote:
If u two would quit bickering we could discuss the issue!!
I made the comment yesterday that I don't think people realize that children that play sports don't really get a break until the first week of July anyway. I had also read that one of the reasons for this plan is that some kids only receive a regular meal when school is in. My concern is they are using social issues over educational ones to push this agenda. Like I said my kids are very active in sports and I think the summer break is important for them. What about their social issue?
maci

Princeton, WV

#87 Jan 24, 2013
Annoyed wrote:
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Also, you obviously know nothing about the school system. The teachers are forced to spend their time on the bad students because the schools are required to meet certain standards and the way those standards are currently written, all children must meet certain goals. Beacuse the bad parents aren't stepping up, the teachers have no time for the good students. Another injustice caused by the bums.
I agree. If everyone would do there part than all could do well. The smart kids often have to help out the struggling ones who are the majority. Teachers spend all there time trying to help all the ones catch up when they don't get any instruction at home. My kids get straight A's and have this problem.
Seriously

Chesapeake, OH

#88 Jan 24, 2013
Ok. Keeping an open mind. Baseball All Stars ends in July. Depending on how far the team goes. Soccer starts up again at the end of August. That's just rec. It seems like Middle school started practices before school started but they weren't required. I am a nurse and we have to request vacations off in the winter and only 2 people can take one the same week. Our family will probably literally never have another vacation. I just think families need a break. Even if all sports are kept within their normal schedule, I am not counting fall baseball, it is still a really tight schedule. I am having a hard time imagining how to manage it with my shift work. Summers were a time for all of us to recharge.
Mmmmm

Belle, WV

#89 Jan 24, 2013
I see both sides of it...... But in the end, I think year round school is the way of the future....... The us has to catch up with the rest of the world in terms of education...
kma

Simpsonville, SC

#90 Jan 24, 2013
People talk about the lower income kids that don't have parents to work with them. What about all those lawyers and doctors kids who rarely see their parent because they work long hours.? It goes to show how ignorant people truly are on some things. Just because a child is low income doesn't mean they are stupid. Just like having money doesn't mean someone is intelligent. The education system is broken. For those griping about year round school answer this question, why do other nations outperform our children? If a child has an opportunity to get more education, isn't that a good thing? As for the break in the summer, there is one and its usually 2 or three weeks depending upon the district. It just isn't the 3 month break that most people are used to. We can't punish kids because their parents may be idiots.
mommab

Charleston, WV

#91 Jan 24, 2013
My brothers are in year round schools and they love it. They get more time off than my kids do.
Annoyed

Princeton, WV

#92 Jan 24, 2013
kma wrote:
People talk about the lower income kids that don't have parents to work with them. What about all those lawyers and doctors kids who rarely see their parent because they work long hours.? It goes to show how ignorant people truly are on some things. Just because a child is low income doesn't mean they are stupid. Just like having money doesn't mean someone is intelligent. The education system is broken. For those griping about year round school answer this question, why do other nations outperform our children? If a child has an opportunity to get more education, isn't that a good thing? As for the break in the summer, there is one and its usually 2 or three weeks depending upon the district. It just isn't the 3 month break that most people are used to. We can't punish kids because their parents may be idiots.
So are you calling the Cabell County school board liars? They say this is the problem.
Mmmmm

Belle, WV

#93 Jan 24, 2013
Do you believe everything you read in the paper and see on the news???? You think they are gonna say "yeah we suck as educators"??
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vito

Charleston, WV

#95 Jan 25, 2013
Yes. When has a school board ever admitted they were wrong about something?
Annoyed

Princeton, WV

#96 Jan 25, 2013
Mmmmm wrote:
I know plenty about the school system, being married to an elementary educator in putnam county..... It seems that it is you that doesn't know much about the educational system.... And what you are saying is totally false....
Oh, I guess you think being married to an educator makes you an expert. If you are really married to one, then you need better communication or your spouse needs to become educated on the laws. No Child Left Behind mandates that every child meet minimum proficiency goals, which means that the children that aren't up to standard get most of the attention from the teachers. There is no need to teach the students who already meet standards. WV has applied for a waiver because we are unable to meet this goal. This will always be the case when people who shouldn't be parents keep having chldren. We have very good teachers in our state, but they are fighting a losing battle.
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Kma

Simpsonville, SC

#98 Jan 25, 2013
Annoyed wrote:
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So are you calling the Cabell County school board liars? They say this is the problem.
most of the board members don't see the problems. You really want to be able to fix the educational problems? Ask the teachers they are the ones who see the issues first hand. Most of my family are or were teachers and principals. Somewhere there is a disconnection. Are there some bad teachers out there, sure there are. The majority of teachers truly care about the students. The biggest issue is the children's education.
Annoyed

Princeton, WV

#99 Jan 25, 2013
Mmmmm wrote:
your key words in your statement are "minimum profeciency standards"........ When you actually know.what you are talking about, you can come back.. But what i would suggest you do is spend a lot of time in your actual kids classroom observing, you know that you can do that correct? Just go, set and watch how classes are actually conducted...
I have spent multiple hours within the schools and know first hand how things are conducted. I also know that in order to get the lower performing children to meet minimum standards, the children at or above the standards are often put on the back burner. You obviously have no idea what is required because of the No Child Left Behind legislation and what it means for the children of the parents who actually care about their education. Apparently YOU are the one who should go observe a classroom. Why don't you wait to respond until you have read the requirements and actually know what you are talking about.
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Mmmmm

Chesapeake, OH

#101 Jan 25, 2013
I know full well what the NCLB legislation requires.... And you do realise that WV asked for a waver to have time to fix THE SYSTEM, And underperforming TEACHERS, implement new teacher evaluation programs and Tudor programs for under achieving students, among other things.... So your statements about the teachers not being the problem, is not the same problem that the BOE is citing, for every 1 good teacher, there are 5 bad ones that really.just don't care that much..... I have spent plenty of time in the classroom and accompanying field trips and what not to know how schools operate.
Kma

Simpsonville, SC

#102 Jan 25, 2013
The boe is saying that kids from poorer families lose more of what they learned over the summer than those from higher income families. Well what if the kid never learned what they should have in the first place. Do you realize how many kid get pushed through the system because some teachers don't take the time to work with them. I'm sorry but I think bad teachers and loss of learning go hand in hands. The kids from higher income families can go to sylvan or other learning centers, poorer families can not always afford that. Now could the families change the way they do things? Maybe. But there are those families who are doing the right thing an the kids education still isn't where it should be. There is a mix of issues that are affecting the children. Trying to blame it on just one situation will not correct the problem.
take responsibility

Princeton, WV

#103 Jan 25, 2013
There are so many people on here wanting to blame the teachers. The teachers are not the problem, the parents are. We are a middle income family and don't use the tutoring programs that exist. What we do use is good parenting. Our kids know that education is important, and if I don't know something they are working on, then I go and learn it. This is my responsibility as a parent! Teachers have way too many kids in their class to be expected to sit there and hold each ones hand...that is what parents are for. From what I have observed, I agree that the kids who do bad in school are usually the ones that come from low income families. Our school even offers free after school tutoring, but the only people I ever see using it are the people who are not considered low income. There are several low income kids that need it but their parents simply don't care. Until these people either get off the couch and teach their kids or stop having them in the first place, the problem will not go away.
PRW

Princeton, WV

#104 Jan 25, 2013
The things they expect them to learn are alot harder then they were when we were in school. There are many things the parents can't help with if they don't know how to do it. They give too much homework that many don't complete for that reason.
Mike

Princeton, WV

#105 Jan 29, 2013
PRW wrote:
The things they expect them to learn are alot harder then they were when we were in school. There are many things the parents can't help with if they don't know how to do it. They give too much homework that many don't complete for that reason.
Looks like you need to go back to school.
parent

Bluefield, WV

#106 Feb 12, 2013
They say it is to reduce the gap between the low income and higher income students. Why don't the low income parents step up and teach their own kids and feed their own kids. It's pretty sad when a kid has to go to school to be fed properly. I have a suggestion - parenting classes for the people who aren't taking part in supporting their child's education. They can be the ones in summer school until they get it right.

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