Ten Commandments monument raises civi...

Ten Commandments monument raises civil liberty concerns in Wyoming County

There are 353 comments on the Charleston Gazette story from Jul 4, 2013, titled Ten Commandments monument raises civil liberty concerns in Wyoming County. In it, Charleston Gazette reports that:

A group of people did not seek permission before installing a monument of the Ten Commandments on the Wyoming County Courthouse lawn in Pineville this week, County Commission President Jason Mullins said, but he doesn't see a problem with it because it's meant to inspire others and isn't paid for with tax dollars.

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Straight Up

Pineville, WV

#43 Jul 24, 2013
"Martin Luther" Churches need some more of them. The old school cat from back in history and the more recent one with the civil rights movement. You can't clean up the county with God until you clean up the churches first; otherwise were are you going to get the spiritual food and brotherhood to go with the mental health experts to clean it up? You can't; they have no example to follow. Then they plant their "flag", as one person called it on the court house lawn? Please, they have just claimed this county. Ok, fine. Do you have the examples worth following to stand behind that claim in righteousness before the lord to make the changes that are needed? Can they clean it up? I doubt it; I have seen their fruits and they are rotten save for a few. They should have planted their flag and took the churches back before going for the county seat. And you are right historically in everything you said; and the world would be a better place if they followed what they have. But they don't. People need hope and where is that hope if righteousness is not lived in joy by the people who claim to have it?

I have seen preachers try to clean up churches only to get voted off the island by their corrupted membership. And I have seen membership that would not vote their biggest sinner out of the pulpit and put him back in Sunday School to redo boot camp like he needed to. They want ear ticklers, prosperity preaching, and to not be responsible for being what they are supposed to be.
Onoudidnt

Alexandria, VA

#44 Jul 24, 2013
Sane and Rational wrote:
<quoted text>
It's wrong because you small-minded, pompous Christians are doing the equivalent of symbolically planting your flag on public property and claiming it as conquered territory! Kindly explain how a drug addicted person might read your Ten Commandments and lose his affinity for abusing drugs. I don't get it!
Why are you hating? It is Gods will for it to be there! Why don't you atheists go make your own web page.."atheists only" and leave us as Christians alone! We as Christians are going to stand together on this! Where do you think you came from? an ape?God helps everyone! Even if you don't deserve it!

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#45 Jul 24, 2013
Sane and Rational wrote:
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I'm wondering which of the "rules" when followed will best help a drug user cure his problem. Tell me, please?
If a drug addict was at wits end and went to a Christian church and asked for help - the Christians who would be helping the addict overcome the addiction would be instructing him to follow the Bible and also the 10 Commandments since they are like a quick Bible sum-up, right?

I'd say the most important commandment for an addict would be: "I am the Lord thy God and thou shalt not have other gods before me." If the addict will submit his free will over to God, God will guide him through a life beyond addiction.

This is the way Christians actively help people overcome addiction - it is not the ONLY way to overcome addiction - but no one else has posted their ideas in the courthouse lawn, so..
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Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#47 Jul 24, 2013
rainny wrote:
What is the monument hurting anyone. Don't we all pay taxes don't we all have the right to see something that has what God has asked of us to do. Maybe this would help a drug addict or a down and out person who needs the comfort of what God has asked us to do even before birth. Christians all pray that this well change peoples lives and that it well stand tall. Who are we,re too judge who are we to say that this isn't what is needed as people . Leave this alone people for none of us goes by the law each day? God bless us all
Many Christians would agree with you, especially those who actually DID put the Commandments in plain view to remind everyone how they should act.

What you don't seem to understand is that there ARE many people who disregard Christian teachings because they find them offensive. There are some who would suggest that an addict's devotion to God does NOT cure drug addiction and the Christians' programs towards redeeming the drug addicts are counter-productive and do not work. They would suggest that the 10 Commandment monument supports delusion.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#48 Jul 24, 2013
sadsadsad wrote:
You people are not happy with anything!! You people have got to bitch! Some people have nothing good to say.. If it's good or bad, ya just bitch! It's really sad! Its up there to remind us all of what we stand for!
What you stand for? Isn't it really just common sense?

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#49 Jul 24, 2013
James T Kirk wrote:
BTW. Conveniently ignoring and not putting this to a vote by these commissioners was an act of cowardice. If they thought it constitutional, why not have it approved like any other project on PUBLIC property?
They knew it wasn't legal and just turned a blind eye to it so that they could have deniability.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#50 Jul 24, 2013
Oceana Guy wrote:
Justice is a tricky thing, as the ten commandments so perfectly demonstrate. You can complain about back room justice all you want but the truth is our judicial system does the best it can in a world where everyone is guilty before that same law. I promise you, if you had gotten properly convicted and sentenced for every time you broke the speed limit, you would gave so many reckless driving offenses (speeding just 15 miles over the limit) your great grandkids couldn't get a drivers license. Fortunately we have a system that seeks a proper balance of mercy and absolute justice. The ten commandments demonstrate that we are all lawbreakers before God, lost unless He stands in our place and drinks the wrath of perfect justice. In other words, if any of us got what we had coming, we would be a place if weeping and wailing, a place of gnashing our teeth. Pure horror. Hope for mercy not justice. As for me, I don't know who put the monument up, but I will be there to protect and defend it. The monument's removal will be fought against by this citizen.
I understand that is what you believe, but what about those people who don't? We are forced to share the same government, but not the same religions. Why is it ok for the government that we are both forced to live under to endorse one religion over another?

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#51 Jul 24, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
Here is how some Atheists handled a similar situation in a FL town.
http://now.msn.com/atheist-monument-erected-o...
This is what I can read on the front of the monument/bench:
An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An atheist strives for an involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty banished, and war eliminated.
Commendable.
And it is a bench so it actually serves a purpose.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#52 Jul 24, 2013
Son wrote:
I'm for it staying 100% but I also heard mike Goode is completely against it. so what's that tell us about him, Some county clerk. I can't believe of all people him. He's a joke
He is a joke for obeying the law?

That tells us more about you than him.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#53 Jul 24, 2013
rainny wrote:
What is the monument hurting anyone. Don't we all pay taxes don't we all have the right to see something that has what God has asked of us to do. Maybe this would help a drug addict or a down and out person who needs the comfort of what God has asked us to do even before birth. Christians all pray that this well change peoples lives and that it well stand tall. Who are we,re too judge who are we to say that this isn't what is needed as people . Leave this alone people for none of us goes by the law each day? God bless us all
It's not hurting anyone; it just doesn't belong on government property as it is against the law. If they were to put their religious slogans at, let's say, a church, then their would be no problem and NO ONE would even be talking about it. It is simply a publicity stunt and nothing more.
Not the average Bubba

Mount Hope, WV

#54 Jul 24, 2013
AN ATHEIST IN THE WOODS

An atheist was walking through the woods.
'What majestic trees!'
'What powerful rivers!'
'What beautiful animals!'
He said to himself.
As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him.
He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly bear charge towards him.
He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him.
He looked over his shoulder again, & the bear was even closer.
He tripped & fell on the ground.
He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him.
At that instant moment, the Atheist cried out:'Oh my God!'
Time stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was silent.
As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky.
You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to cosmic accident.''Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament?''Am I to count you as a believer?'
The atheist looked directly into the light, and said:'It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask you to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps you could make the BEAR a Christian?'
'Very well', said the voice.
The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed. And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head & spoke:
'Lord bless this food, which I am about to receive from Thy bounty through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen.'

I just thought the above was funny but I still don't think Christian symbolism belongs in front of ANY public courthouse.
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country preacher

Oceana, WV

#57 Jul 24, 2013
You People need to neal down at an old fashioned altar and get right with the lord before it's to late
SafeAndEffective

Mount Hope, WV

#58 Jul 24, 2013
country preacher wrote:
You People need to neal down at an old fashioned altar and get right with the lord before it's to late
Would you also suggest slaughtering a lamb and burning it to a crisp on that alter so God can enjoy the aroma of the smoke?
sadsadsad

Brenton, WV

#59 Jul 24, 2013
FDG wrote:
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What you stand for? Isn't it really just common sense?
How would you know anything about common sense? The way your posting, you have now!
sadsadsad

Brenton, WV

#60 Jul 24, 2013
sadsadsad wrote:
<quoted text>How would you know anything about common sense? The way your posting, you have now!
none..not now..my bad!

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#61 Jul 25, 2013
Sane and Rational wrote:
<quoted text>
It's wrong because you small-minded, pompous Christians are doing the equivalent of symbolically planting your flag on public property and claiming it as conquered territory! Kindly explain how a drug addicted person might read your Ten Commandments and lose his affinity for abusing drugs. I don't get it!
"symbolic planting your flag public property and claiming it as conquered territory?"

Talk about overkill:)

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#62 Jul 25, 2013
WHO did it in the first place and why?

I don't believe it was a whole BUNCH of people involved to begin with. just saying:)

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#63 Jul 25, 2013
sadsadsad wrote:
<quoted text>How would you know anything about common sense? The way your posting, you have now!
Because everything I post is based in reality. Logic and reason ALWAYS trumps superstition and mythology.

So, are you saying that the ten commandments AREN'T common sense?
your friend and neighbor

Oceana, WV

#64 Jul 25, 2013
It's Politics in the Pulpit and nothing more.
sadsadsad

Brenton, WV

#65 Jul 25, 2013
Shootist wrote:
WHO did it in the first place and why?
I don't believe it was a whole BUNCH of people involved to begin with. just saying:)
I thought it was just one guy that paid for it. But didn't he have to get permission to place it there? Just asking! I'm all for it staying! I think it's nice! People that don't like it don't have to look at it!

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