Ten Commandments monument raises civi...

Ten Commandments monument raises civil liberty concerns in Wyoming County

There are 353 comments on the Charleston Gazette story from Jul 4, 2013, titled Ten Commandments monument raises civil liberty concerns in Wyoming County. In it, Charleston Gazette reports that:

A group of people did not seek permission before installing a monument of the Ten Commandments on the Wyoming County Courthouse lawn in Pineville this week, County Commission President Jason Mullins said, but he doesn't see a problem with it because it's meant to inspire others and isn't paid for with tax dollars.

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Billy Bud

Hockessin, DE

#307 Sep 5, 2013
Phil Hatio wrote:
Thank the LORD these people are standing up for equality! http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/04/20...
About time!

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#308 Sep 5, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
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Go ahead, FDG, and stick your head in the sand. Like the ostrich, you think that will "save" you,
Save me from what? Aren't you a little too old for the boogie man?
Seems as though I am the only one with my NOT in the sand. I'm not the one talking about invisible sky wizards.
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
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but the truth is the Truth,
Can I see some of this proof you have for the truth you talk about?
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
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and America is going to experience God's wrath for turning away from Him. It is just a matter of time.
Christians have been saying this for HUNDREDS of years, yet here we still are. Your god must be napping.
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
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We cannot continue to thumb our noses at the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
Yes, we can. 2/3rds of world does this on a daily basis and NOTHING happens. It is scary how out of touch with reality you sound.*shudders*
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
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and expect Him to continue to "Bless America" because He cannot and will not go against His Own Word!
I never have expected anyone to bless America. Why would I start now?
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
NEWSFLASH:
God does NOT condone the murder of innocents.
You don't read your bible well, do you? There are many cases where your god himself killed innocents....if it's good enough for your god...
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
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God does NOT condone sexual sin.
It depends on your definition of sexual sin. There were many people in the bible who had multiple partners, sex slaves, and concubines and this was acceptable.
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
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God does NOT tolerate the worship of other gods.
Huh? Why would your god make people think there were other gods? This makes no sense. If your god were the only god don't you think everyone on the planet would worship him? You'd think so, right? But, this is not the case. We know that over 2/3rds of the world believe in other gods their ancestors have imagined...just like yours.
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
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If we continue on this path, He will reign down his fire on us, and we will cry out for His help - just like we did after 9-11.
Speak for yourself. I didn't go delusional and start crying out for help from imaginary beings because religous zealots flew planes into our buildings. That wasn't a rational, reasonable, and especially not a logical thing to do.
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
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The next time though, it will make 9-11 look like a walk in the park. Mark my words. No, better yet, mark HIS WORDS!
Or better yet, I'll just stick with reality.
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me know how "entertained" you are when that happens, K? OK!
That is an impossible task to undertake because we will both be death and nothing will have ever happened, just like it hasn't for the past 2000 years.
Here, take this card to help you get through those tough times.
http://imgur.com/ZCWNj

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#309 Sep 5, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Go ahead, FDG, and stick your head in the sand. Like the ostrich, you think that will "save" you, "If I don't see it, it won't happen..." but the truth is the Truth, and America is going to experience God's wrath for turning away from Him. It is just a matter of time. We cannot continue to thumb our noses at the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and expect Him to continue to "Bless America" because He cannot and will not go against His Own Word!
NEWSFLASH:
God does NOT condone the murder of innocents.
God does NOT condone sexual sin.
God does NOT tolerate the worship of other gods.
If we continue on this path, He will reign down his fire on us, and we will cry out for His help - just like we did after 9-11. The next time though, it will make 9-11 look like a walk in the park. Mark my words. No, better yet, mark HIS WORDS! Let me know how "entertained" you are when that happens, K? OK!
...and for the 4th time of me asking this question and you just ignoring it:

Why did you choose the Christian god to worship instead any of the THOUSANDS of others that man has imagined throughout time?
Veteran and Patriot

Hyattsville, MD

#310 Sep 6, 2013
I've answered your question before, but you simply refused to acknowledge it.

I chose to worship God - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - because He is the ONLY God and worthy to be praised. He is the Creator, the Savior, and the Comforter. In Him all things hold together. What other god is there? None - no, not one.

You can believe on Him or you can reject Him - it is entirely up to you. God created you with a free will that you are allowed to use in making all your decisions. God will not violate your will nor will I. You are free to be an atheist. I am free to be a believer. If you are wrong, OH BOY, are you in trouble! If I am wrong, OH WELL, I chose to worship Someone besides MYSELF.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#311 Sep 6, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
I've answered your question before, but you simply refused to acknowledge it.
I chose to worship God - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - because He is the ONLY God and worthy to be praised. He is the Creator, the Savior, and the Comforter. In Him all things hold together. What other god is there? None - no, not one.
You have not answered the question, you just parroted the bible concerning your beliefs. The question is WHY you believe that way. What made you start being a Christian instead of a Buddhists?

2/3rds of the world will disagree with you that the god you choose to worship is the only one. Doesn't that seem the slightest bit peculiar to you? Why are there so many other gods that people worship? Why do they all have stories in their holy scriptures that are very similar to that of the Christian faith? You don't find it somewhat strange that it really doesn't depend on the teachings of the religions that determine what you believe, but instead, relies SOLELY on geography? If you were born somewhere in the Middle East, you would be a Muslim and you would denounce the Christian god just like I do. How do you justify that? What type of raionalization do you have to create to convince yourself that these facts are meaningless? Until you can understand them and honestly answer them then you ignoring the facts and being irrational and illogcial. You are only cheating yourself with the delusion.

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
--Stephen F Roberts

I'll leave this nugget of reason here for you:
http://imgur.com/X1vGwW4
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
God created you with a free will that you are allowed to use in making all your decisions.
This is your belief and in no way a fact. You get those confused...often.
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
God will not violate your will nor will I.
How could you?
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
You are free to be an atheist. I am free to be a believer. If you are wrong, OH BOY, are you in trouble!
Trouble? We aren't children.
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
If I am wrong, OH WELL, I chose to worship Someone besides MYSELF.
And in doing so wasted your entire life; the only life you were guaranteed and you pissed it away living a life of delusion. I'll take reality any and every day.

Why is it that you think that if you don't worship the same god as you do then you automatically worship yourself? I don't worship anything other than my family. Realistically, how can that be a bad thing?

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#312 Sep 6, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
I chose to worship Someone besides MYSELF.
I'd have to agree with FDG - I do not worship God but I also do not worship myself. I'm really into worshiping - I can't think of anything that I worship. I will warn FDG about worshiping his family - you'll turn them into brats, be careful!

How is rejecting Christianity the same as worshiping yourself?
Udder Chaos

Beckley, WV

#313 Sep 6, 2013
In the grand scale of eternal time, Christianity is nothing but a passing fad. Evidence shows that what might be considered the earliest religion dates back 70,000 years.

Interesting link: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

2000 years of Christianity in a span of 70,000 years is equivalent to about 34 months in a person's life time if he lived to be 100 years old. 34 months is about as long as most fads last.

Probably the most predictable thing about the Christianity fad is that it will be the world's last religion. With rational and intelligent people like FDG, Christianity fad enthusiasts will eventually find the mental wherewithal to think for themselves and refuse to believe any more of this preposterous cockamamie.
Veteran and Patriot also

Chesapeake, VA

#314 Sep 6, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
I've answered your question before, but you simply refused to acknowledge it.
I chose to worship God - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - because He is the ONLY God and worthy to be praised. He is the Creator, the Savior, and the Comforter. In Him all things hold together. What other god is there? None - no, not one.
You can believe on Him or you can reject Him - it is entirely up to you. God created you with a free will that you are allowed to use in making all your decisions. God will not violate your will nor will I. You are free to be an atheist. I am free to be a believer. If you are wrong, OH BOY, are you in trouble! If I am wrong, OH WELL, I chose to worship Someone besides MYSELF.
If you are wrong It's not "oh well" it's you are in trouble too.
Nancy

Chesapeake, VA

#315 Sep 6, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
I've answered your question before, but you simply refused to acknowledge it.
I chose to worship God - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - because He is the ONLY God and worthy to be praised. He is the Creator, the Savior, and the Comforter. In Him all things hold together. What other god is there? None - no, not one.
You can believe on Him or you can reject Him - it is entirely up to you. God created you with a free will that you are allowed to use in making all your decisions. God will not violate your will nor will I. You are free to be an atheist. I am free to be a believer. If you are wrong, OH BOY, are you in trouble! If I am wrong, OH WELL, I chose to worship Someone besides MYSELF.
You may tell the atheist about The God you serve, but do not argue your God with anyone! Refer to Matthew 7:6 and study this scripture. Nancy
Bev

Proctorville, OH

#316 Sep 8, 2013
Where is this?
true patriot

Oceana, WV

#317 Sep 8, 2013
Bev wrote:
Where is this?
The place where they are wipeing their A$$ on constitution is at the Wyoming Court house in Pineville WV. This is an unconstitutional act. Anyone defending it is not a patriot or veteran . They are spitting on the grave's of the soldiers who died face down in the mud and muck fighting for the constitution.
Veteran and Patriot

Hyattsville, MD

#318 Sep 9, 2013
Nancy wrote:
<quoted text> You may tell the atheist about The God you serve, but do not argue your God with anyone! Refer to Matthew 7:6 and study this scripture. Nancy
I'm not arguing. I'm answering his questions. Isn't it ironic though how everyone is allowed to believe what he/she wants (as is every other kook out there) EXCEPT when it comes to Christians? Interesting, and I know exactly why that is ... it too is written.
Veteran and Patriot

Hyattsville, MD

#319 Sep 9, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>How is rejecting Christianity the same as worshiping yourself?
Anyone who exalts their own ideas, beliefs, opinions above that of the one and only God is worshipping themselves.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#320 Sep 9, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not arguing. I'm answering his questions. Isn't it ironic though how everyone is allowed to believe what he/she wants (as is every other kook out there) EXCEPT when it comes to Christians? Interesting, and I know exactly why that is ... it too is written.
How is it that you aren't allowed to believe in what you want? I don't see anyone stopping you. I'm simply saying that your beliefs are irrational, illogical, and not based on reality; nowhere did anyone say you weren't allowed to believe in them.

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#321 Sep 9, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
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Anyone who exalts their own ideas, beliefs, opinions above that of the one and only God is worshipping themselves.
dict say:

wor·ship (wûrshp)
n.
1.a. The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
b. The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
2. Ardent devotion; adoration.

v. wor·shiped or wor·shipped, wor·ship·ing or wor·ship·ping, wor·ships

1. To honor and love as a deity.
2. To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/worship

So, when you say I worship myself by not worshiping God - can you see how you are stretching the definition of worship?

I exalt my own ideas, beliefs, and opinions above YOURS, because I believe myself and not necessarily YOU. That does not mean I worship myself or that if I trusted your ideas, I would be worshiping you. Actually, believing something and worshiping something is not at all the same thing.

According to your idea, you are worshiping yourself by exalting your ideas over mine.

FDG

“Have facts, will travel!”

Since: Feb 08

The Big Town!

#322 Sep 9, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who exalts their own ideas, beliefs, opinions above that of the one and only God is worshipping themselves.
That's only true if you suscribe to your version of mythology. In the real world, that's just silly.

Once again, you failed to specify WHICH of the gods you are referring to. Just because you stick your head in the sand when it comes to all the other possible gods in this world, makes them no less relevant. Again, that's just logic and reason. Ignoring them makes them no less less.
Veteran and Patriot

Hyattsville, MD

#323 Sep 9, 2013
Listen,

Believe as you please - both of you. Your opinions of me changes nothing regarding my choice of Who to Worship. I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the Alpha and the Omega, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Bright and Morning Star, the Messiah, the Beloved Savior, the Prince of Peace, the Rose of Sharon, the Way, the Truth and the Life, the Creator of the Universe, the One and Only God, Jesus.

You worship whatever you choose - right or wrong, good or bad. That will all be determined by One Who is Greater Than I - or you!
Nancy

Chesapeake, VA

#324 Sep 9, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
Listen,
Believe as you please - both of you. Your opinions of me changes nothing regarding my choice of Who to Worship. I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the Alpha and the Omega, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Bright and Morning Star, the Messiah, the Beloved Savior, the Prince of Peace, the Rose of Sharon, the Way, the Truth and the Life, the Creator of the Universe, the One and Only God, Jesus.
You worship whatever you choose - right or wrong, good or bad. That will all be determined by One Who is Greater Than I - or you!
And all the congregation said, "Amen" and praised the LORD. And the people did according to this promise.
hot diggity dog

Oceana, WV

#325 Sep 9, 2013
Religion is like a weiner.
It's fine to have one.
It's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around.
And PLEASE don't try to shove it down our throats.

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#326 Sep 9, 2013
Veteran and Patriot wrote:
Listen,
Believe as you please - both of you. Your opinions of me changes nothing regarding my choice of Who to Worship. I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the Alpha and the Omega, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Bright and Morning Star, the Messiah, the Beloved Savior, the Prince of Peace, the Rose of Sharon, the Way, the Truth and the Life, the Creator of the Universe, the One and Only God, Jesus.
You worship whatever you choose - right or wrong, good or bad. That will all be determined by One Who is Greater Than I - or you!
I had actually intended to hold to my beliefs all along - but you are laying judgement on me saying that I worship myself. Assuredly, I do not.

It really does not matter if we agree about religion - I thought the topic was how constitutional the 10 Commandments on the courthouse law are. By being a US citizen and enjoying all that this country offers us, we agree to abide by the documents that govern us. Why is someone displaying religious ideals on the state's property? Whoever is behind this is disregarding the Bill of Rights in favor of pleasing Christians. I thought Christians were in favor of obeying the law.

I can't say that I am surprised, however. Haven't we all grown accustomed to witnessing crime with no consequences?

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