TheTea Party Govt. SHutdown. Bin Laden would be so proud

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The tea party with their radical religious right wing nuts are carrying out their attacks on the US economy like Osama bin Laden did....he would be so proud of his little Muslim Brotherhood in the US, disguising themselves as born again evangelicals.
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Hey if we had the cash to bomb Syria a few weeks ago why dont we have the cash to let geriatric war veterans visit their open air memorial?

Why do the democrats refuse to allow piecemeal funding for vets and parks?

If it's the "tea party" shut down shouldn't the democrats be eager to fund any part of the government that the republicans are willing to allow?

Again why does your "party of the people" (that defends the NSA spying, and who recently hinted that strikes against syria without congressional authorization were a possibility) not want to make the shut down as easy as it can on those hardest hit instead of refusing to meaningfully negotiate or join with republicans and pass bills to fund parks and vets?

Sounds rather extreme especially since most of the public opposes the health law in the first place.

You know the one that's supposedly so great for us but not good enough for our elected officials.
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Oct 4, 2013
 
You say it's a "tea party" shutdown yet...

Republicans in the house presented three different budgets that fully funded the government, only Obamacare was affected.

Democrats refused to negotiate or compromise on their unpopular law that nearly 60% of Americans want delayed and or repealed and thus we have the shut down.

The shut down that the party of the people continue to make as difficult as possible on as many people as possible despite repeated republican attempts to fund vets and other essential government sectors.

No meaningful negotiations, no compromise, no essential government services despite republican willingness to provide them, no end in sight. All because the liberal ego of our so called president cant handle rejection by 60% of Americans of his "signature" legislation, legislation that only barely made it through congress and has never been popular with the public in the first place.

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Oct 5, 2013
 
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Hey if we had the cash to bomb Syria a few weeks ago why dont we have the cash to let geriatric war veterans visit their open air memorial?
Why do the democrats refuse to allow piecemeal funding for vets and parks?
If it's the "tea party" shut down shouldn't the democrats be eager to fund any part of the government that the republicans are willing to allow?
Again why does your "party of the people" (that defends the NSA spying, and who recently hinted that strikes against syria without congressional authorization were a possibility) not want to make the shut down as easy as it can on those hardest hit instead of refusing to meaningfully negotiate or join with republicans and pass bills to fund parks and vets?
Sounds rather extreme especially since most of the public opposes the health law in the first place.
You know the one that's supposedly so great for us but not good enough for our elected officials.
The memorial to WWII was closed because the republican house shutdown the government..and why peicemeal in funds? Who are the republicans to choose which American workers to pay now? FUND the damn government as is the responsibility of the House. The Senate and the President did their budgets to the House 7 months ago....why is it he House feels as though they don't have to do their jobs and yet they should be paid for it?

The majority of Americans support the ACA...AND the republicans voted for it..the Supreme Court upheld the mandate as constitutional. There is no LEG to stand on with trying to stop ACA.

Face it..the tea baggers are idiots..not a brain among them..and the people that were gerry meandered and hand-picked to vote them are some of the stupidest and least informed of Americans; Fox viewers

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Oct 5, 2013
 
Jay wrote:
You say it's a "tea party" shutdown yet...
Republicans in the house presented three different budgets that fully funded the government, only Obamacare was affected.
Democrats refused to negotiate or compromise on their unpopular law that nearly 60% of Americans want delayed and or repealed and thus we have the shut down.
The shut down that the party of the people continue to make as difficult as possible on as many people as possible despite repeated republican attempts to fund vets and other essential government sectors.
No meaningful negotiations, no compromise, no essential government services despite republican willingness to provide them, no end in sight. All because the liberal ego of our so called president cant handle rejection by 60% of Americans of his "signature" legislation, legislation that only barely made it through congress and has never been popular with the public in the first place.
Obamacare has been approved into law by the republicans and passed muster with the Supreme Court. Just because the INsurance companies, who give HUGE bribes to the republican and tea baggers, don't like it, doesn't mean it can be repealed.

In the democratic states where the ACA is in effect, and they have the choice of insurances for the 25% of Americans this affects, the cost of the MAJOR insurance company health care policies has gone down an average of $70. So, if you're in a tea bagger governor state, your governor is causing YOU to pay more for your health care....fiscally responsible? Hardly.

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Oct 5, 2013
 
Jay wrote:
You say it's a "tea party" shutdown yet...
Republicans in the house presented three different budgets that fully funded the government, only Obamacare was affected.
Democrats refused to negotiate or compromise on their unpopular law that nearly 60% of Americans want delayed and or repealed and thus we have the shut down.
The shut down that the party of the people continue to make as difficult as possible on as many people as possible despite repeated republican attempts to fund vets and other essential government sectors.
No meaningful negotiations, no compromise, no essential government services despite republican willingness to provide them, no end in sight. All because the liberal ego of our so called president cant handle rejection by 60% of Americans of his "signature" legislation, legislation that only barely made it through congress and has never been popular with the public in the first place.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/fiv...

"Theres a reason Republicans have been rushing to try and defund the Affordable Care Act before October 1, when major sections of the law take effect.

Republicans know what polls show that most Americans dont know whats in ObamaCare, but when told what the law actually includes, a strong majority support the law.

Once state health insurance exchanges take effect, and premiums for all Americans go down, Republicans know the law will only become more popular and harder to repeal.

As Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said,It's a lot harder to undo something than it is to stop it in the first place.

Exactly.

Because just like Republicans railed against Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare when they were first proposed, those programs are now highly effective and broadly popular parts of our social safety net supported even by strong majorities of Republican voters. "
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Oct 5, 2013
 
This shutdown is the republicans fault and nobody elses. Period! Don't try and spin it to look any other way. The republicans have always been against the poor and for the rich.
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Oct 5, 2013
 
It forces people to buy insurance which amounts to profits for insurance companies.

If you'd look at the folks losing hours, paying more for premiums, or having their benefits cut (in health plans our president assured us we could keep if we liked them) you'd understand why 60% of the public holds a dim view of the law.

Are you going to try and say that they are all tea party republicans or insurance execs?

As for bipartisan support:

I don't see a law that drew a bare minimum of republican support and ultimately had to be passed through reconciliation and bribes to secure passage as anything close to the sweeping bipartisan compromise your making it out to be...are you going to try and claim that Ang Cao speeks for the entire republican party?

:I voted: your post really spells out the flaw so many leftists suffer from. You claim tolerance and open mindedness but in truth are bigoted and intolerant towards anyone who doesn't think or act like you.

Therefore when confronted with facts you don't like or dissenting viewpoints you prefer to seal yourself off and draw upon the support of your friends who are no doubt all liberals and think and act much as you do.

To last points I want to make:

Why did the democrats right the law to take effect only AFTER the president got re elected? Why it's almost as if they knew it would be a clusterfuck and wanted to protect our once again unpopular presidents electibility.

And I see your blaming the tea party, you know that down and out tea party that Harry Reid and others in ther wisdom predicted would disappear years ago.

Seems like their doing alright for themselves, course we can't say the same for the occupiers that you all were so fervently behind now can we?
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Oct 5, 2013
 
Exactly my point who'd of thought we'd ever agree on something it IS the responsibility of the HOUSE, THE SENATE, and THE PRESIDENT to work on budget compromises and fund the government. Yet our president seems more content to negotiate with Iran, Syria, and Russia, then with congress, and the senate refuses to fund anything at all unless it's able to force it's unpopular law (that it's members are exempt from) on the public.

The memorials stayed open during the last shut down because we had a president who say the value in making things less painful for the folks...to bad we don't have that now.

As for government workers not getting paid let them have unemployment like so many average Americans.

Atleast they can take solace in the knowledge that they will be able to work again when this is over unlike so many of our coal minors who've lost their jobs in part because of the EPA.

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Oct 10, 2013
 
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It forces people to buy insurance which amounts to profits for insurance companies.
If you'd look at the folks losing hours, paying more for premiums, or having their benefits cut (in health plans our president assured us we could keep if we liked them) you'd understand why 60% of the public holds a dim view of the law.
Are you going to try and say that they are all tea party republicans or insurance execs?
As for bipartisan support:
I don't see a law that drew a bare minimum of republican support and ultimately had to be passed through reconciliation and bribes to secure passage as anything close to the sweeping bipartisan compromise your making it out to be...are you going to try and claim that Ang Cao speeks for the entire republican party?
:I voted: your post really spells out the flaw so many leftists suffer from. You claim tolerance and open mindedness but in truth are bigoted and intolerant towards anyone who doesn't think or act like you.
Therefore when confronted with facts you don't like or dissenting viewpoints you prefer to seal yourself off and draw upon the support of your friends who are no doubt all liberals and think and act much as you do.
To last points I want to make:
Why did the democrats right the law to take effect only AFTER the president got re elected? Why it's almost as if they knew it would be a clusterfuck and wanted to protect our once again unpopular presidents electibility.
And I see your blaming the tea party, you know that down and out tea party that Harry Reid and others in ther wisdom predicted would disappear years ago.
Seems like their doing alright for themselves, course we can't say the same for the occupiers that you all were so fervently behind now can we?
Why should anyone but YOU have to pay for your health care? I mean, you right wingers are against doing what the majority of other nations do, and that's HAVE health care for its citizens, so why should anyone NOT pay for their own health care? And sides, you can REFUSE to buy it, pay a fine and THEN pay your own medical bills...see, NOT having insurance USED to force taxpayers to pay for your health care despite your having a good job and being able to get it. Not anymore..and that's a plus for our debt going down.

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Oct 10, 2013
 
Jay wrote:
Exactly my point who'd of thought we'd ever agree on something it IS the responsibility of the HOUSE, THE SENATE, and THE PRESIDENT to work on budget compromises and fund the government. Yet our president seems more content to negotiate with Iran, Syria, and Russia, then with congress, and the senate refuses to fund anything at all unless it's able to force it's unpopular law (that it's members are exempt from) on the public.
The memorials stayed open during the last shut down because we had a president who say the value in making things less painful for the folks...to bad we don't have that now.
As for government workers not getting paid let them have unemployment like so many average Americans.
Atleast they can take solace in the knowledge that they will be able to work again when this is over unlike so many of our coal minors who've lost their jobs in part because of the EPA.
No, congress does the budget. The president is required to submit what he would like to see, but he has no power to implement a budget nor get congress to vote on his budget. The President submitted his in April to the House, the Senate submitted THEIR budget in February to the House..the House has NEVER created a budget....they are NOT Doing their jobs.

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Oct 10, 2013
 
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Exactly my point who'd of thought we'd ever agree on something it IS the responsibility of the HOUSE, THE SENATE, and THE PRESIDENT to work on budget compromises and fund the government. Yet our president seems more content to negotiate with Iran, Syria, and Russia, then with congress, and the senate refuses to fund anything at all unless it's able to force it's unpopular law (that it's members are exempt from) on the public.
The memorials stayed open during the last shut down because we had a president who say the value in making things less painful for the folks...to bad we don't have that now.
As for government workers not getting paid let them have unemployment like so many average Americans.
Atleast they can take solace in the knowledge that they will be able to work again when this is over unlike so many of our coal minors who've lost their jobs in part because of the EPA.
The EPA KEPT coal miners safe...with the shutdown, more than 13 miners have lost their lives so far.
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Oct 11, 2013
 
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<quoted text>The EPA KEPT coal miners safe...with the shutdown, more than 13 miners have lost their lives so far.
Many more then 13 minors have lost their jobs and I doubt all of those that did were in imminent danger from those jobs at the time.

Now that they have been robbed of their livelihoods they and their families are unless ofcourse their measly "benefits" can replace a real paycheck.

You fail to realize that many of the people your kind claims to want to help the most can't afford expensive healthcare premiums and the fines if we don't sign up for obamacare (which Obama himself is exempt from.)

The fact that so few have signed up despite the fines and threats that democrats themselves shy away from discussing numbers shows that the polls claiming widespread angst over obamacare are accurate and not limited to tea partiers and insurance execs as you claim.

Look just because a legislative body and the courts approve a law by the narrowest margins doesn't mean it is just and in the best interest of the people.

The Nuremberg laws, slavery, segregation, and succession were all approved by democratically elected legislatures, and internment enacted by FDR was rendered legal by the supreme court.

Government can be and is often wrong those of us who campaign for less government control and individual responsibility realize this but by now people like you have convinced the masses that they are helpless "little guys" or "common men" who can do nought to care for themselves and that self made people are a myth.

Because of this any disfunction in government has the potential to affect millions for the worse. It's truly sad to see my countrymen held in chains by government dependance and "healthcare" that comes with fines and causes loss of coverage and higher premiums for so many, while supporters like you shrug your shoulders at what you term "glitches."

As for the shutdown itself thankfully our founders came up with a system of checks and balances so that absolute power is hard to attain. Not surprisingly liberals denigrate them for this unless ofcourse republicans are in power then then it's your job to remind everyone of how great our checks and balances are.

The republicans were elected in large part to oppose the healthcare law and they've promised to do just that it's their job as delegated to them by the voters who put them in power in the house.

They are responding to popular sentiment against the healthcare law that was never popular and has failed on many counts to live up to the promises of Obama and the democrats.

Because they knew it would be unpopular they've had to force Americans to accept it by way of fines and hints of worse things. It's truly a shame to see that government has gotten so powerful.

The bottom line is that contrary to what you believe populism works both ways and you share this country with people who don't think as highly of you and your kind as you and your friends think of yourselves.

If you don't like this set sail for one of these other countries that our forebears and millions of immigrants have fled that are more to your liking.
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Oct 13, 2013
 
The shutdown (and the increase in the debt ceiling to prevent the catastrophe of a default and Great Depression 2) would end tomorrow morning if one man, House Speaker John Boehner, would put the "clean" bills passed by the Senate (with some Republicans voting for them) would allow a vote on it. It would take only 17 Republicans voting with the Democrats to end this mess, and Boehner and the Tea Party clique that he is running scared of know that there are enough statemen among the old-line Republicans with the courage to vote with the Democrats to head off this mess.
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Oct 13, 2013
 
this is what happens when a N is put in the white house'he needs to go to his birth place kenya and run that screwed up country' look at it no law never had one..
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Smith said it all. There is the republican point of view. We all knew they felt that way but it was finally said.
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Oct 15, 2013
 
Cookie_Parker wrote:
The tea party with their radical religious right wing nuts are carrying out their attacks on the US economy like Osama bin Laden did....he would be so proud of his little Muslim Brotherhood in the US, disguising themselves as born again evangelicals.
Do you understand that the Tea Party simply want lower taxes and a smaller federal government with less out of control spending? Why exactly do liberals hate it so much? Because they hype up how "terrible" they are in the liberal media, such as MSNBC? This is coming from an impartial observer, from the center of the aisle. Are you familiar with the term classical liberalism? It is very similar to the Tea Party in many ways.
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nobody wrote:
<quoted text>Do you understand that the Tea Party simply want lower taxes and a smaller federal government with less out of control spending? Why exactly do liberals hate it so much? Because they hype up how "terrible" they are in the liberal media, such as MSNBC? This is coming from an impartial observer, from the center of the aisle. Are you familiar with the term classical liberalism? It is very similar to the Tea Party in many ways.
They need the to keep promising increased federal spending (once the debt ceiling is increased yet again, something Obama once opposed by the way) in order to buy votes.

In their minds a mountain of ever expanding debt that is more then double the debt left by the bush administration and a government that is so powerful it can exempt itself from laws ordinary americans can't pales in comparison to the absolute political power to demonize and crush anyone who offers dissent for any reason, be it over the murder of our ambassador in Benghazi, abuses of power by the intelligence community and IRS, fast and furious, the massive increase in soldiers deaths in Afghanistan relative to president bush, welfare fraud and anything else anyone dares to speak out on.

This in and of itself is scary but it's the fact that the democrats who now find themselves in power and their voters claimed to oppose these things and now that said opposition wasn't genuine millions of democrats refuse to care and few will admit they were wrong about Obama, all to protect their unaffordable careless healthcare act.

That level of mind control that a handful of suits in washington wield over millions who dare not question anything they say or do is what is truly frightening.
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They need the to keep promising increased federal spending (once the debt ceiling is increased yet again, something Obama once opposed by the way) in order to buy votes.
In their minds a mountain of ever expanding debt that is more then double the debt left by the bush administration and a government that is so powerful it can exempt itself from laws ordinary americans can't pales in comparison to the absolute political power to demonize and crush anyone who offers dissent for any reason, be it over the murder of our ambassador in Benghazi, abuses of power by the intelligence community and IRS, fast and furious, the massive increase in soldiers deaths in Afghanistan relative to president bush, welfare fraud and anything else anyone dares to speak out on.
This in and of itself is scary but it's the fact that the democrats who now find themselves in power and their voters claimed to oppose these things and now that said opposition wasn't genuine millions of democrats refuse to care and few will admit they were wrong about Obama, all to protect their unaffordable careless healthcare act.
That level of mind control that a handful of suits in washington wield over millions who dare not question anything they say or do is what is truly frightening.
Both major political parties in America are screwed up. It doesn't matter who is in power. Look at the state of affairs in this country since 2001 for example. People point their fingers at Bush or Obama but they never seem to realize that nothing has changed whatsoever since Bush took office until now. Obama and Bush are no different from one another. P.A.T. act is still in effect. Indefinite detention. Corporate bailouts. Never ending "war on terror". It is always business as usual, regardless of what party is in "power". Our whole political system is a scam, and a joke. Our "leaders" are simply figureheads. Left, right, it doesn't matter, nothing ever changes and nothing will until we get ourselves out of this supposed "two party system". It is nothing more than a two headed snake.

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