Abortion rights advocates: Illuminate meant to stop abortions

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While a state anti-abortion organization pushes for more regulations, abortion rights advocates call the campaign a veiled effort to end the practice in West Virginia.
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zef

Los Angeles, CA

#27 Sep 29, 2013
mytencents wrote:
My opinion is, if you are against abortion, then don't have one. Feel free to offer help to young mothers and educate them on why you are against it.
But for the sake of the country, don't stop people with different belief systems from having the procedure. That is why we have separation of church and state. You are entitled to your religious views, but respect others as well.
The same thing can be said about Gay marriage. Give the term Marriage to the church, and make the term civil union for governmental purposes. If two men or two women want the same civil responsibilities as a man and woman are entitled to, then let them. Marriage stays with your religion, but recognize a couple legally as a union.
Again Say yes to education of principle but say no to loss of choice.
Is your opinion, if you are against slavery, then don't own one? Feel free to offer help to slave owners, and educate them on why you are against it?
The same thing can be said about zoophile marriage. If a man and his ewe, or a woman and her ram want the same civil responsibilities as a man and woman are entitled to, then let them. Plus, when your spouse disagrees with you, you can make mutton with them.
Choice is a mental process, there is no such thing as "loss of choice". Also, abortions don't have rights.
Ocean56

AOL

#28 Sep 29, 2013
hmmm wrote:
I guess cold blooded murder should be considered a "medical" decision as well.
Abortion IS a medical decision, which a woman has if she doesn't want to stay pregnant. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision, simple as that.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#29 Sep 29, 2013
hmmm wrote:
I guess cold blooded murder should be considered a "medical" decision as well.
Well, at least you are willing to admit that abortion is not murder. Well done.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#30 Sep 29, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Abortion IS a medical decision, which a woman has if she doesn't want to stay pregnant. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision, simple as that.
Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
Motherhood is not an option. Motherhood is a state of being.
Material objects are persisting three-dimensional individuals wholly present at every moment of their existence, this conception of an individual as always present. The State of Being is not a state of ‘having been’ or ‘will become.’ Atman, the Self, the Soul, is not a ‘has been’ or ‘want-to-be’. Your Real Self is not what you think you were in the past, or want to be in the future—nor is it what you think you are now. You are simply what you are. That is the pure state of ‘is-ness’, the pure State of Being. The thinking mind is not the Self. Now, if the 'to be' of a thing could be conceived apart from that which exists, it should be represented in our mind by some note distinct from the concept of the thing itself .... In point of fact, it is not so. There is nothing we can add to a concept in order to make it represent the object as existing; what happens if we add anything to it is that it represents something else. We imagine ourselves to be something we are not, but we are always who we really are, and not who we have imagined ourselves to be. The law of identity states that: "each thing is the same with itself and different from another": "A is A and not ~A". By this it is meant that each thing (be it a universal or a particular) is composed of its own unique set of characteristic qualities or features, which the ancient Greeks called its essence. Consequently, things that have the same essence are the same thing, while things that have different essences are different things.

A central proposition of existentialism is that existence precedes essence, which means that the most important consideration for the individual is the fact that he or she is an individual—an independently acting and responsible conscious being ("existence")—rather than what labels, roles, stereotypes, definitions, or other preconceived categories the individual fits ("essence"). The actual life of the individual is what constitutes what could be called his or her "true essence" instead of there being an arbitrarily attributed essence used by others to define him or her. Thus, human beings, through their own consciousness, create their own values and determine a meaning to their life. It is often claimed in this context that a person defines himself or herself, which is often perceived as stating that they can wish to be something—anything, a bird, for instance—and then be it. According to most existentialist philosophers, however, this would constitute an inauthentic existence. The notion of the Absurd contains the idea that there is no meaning to be found in the world beyond what meaning we give to it. This meaninglessness also encompasses the amorality or "unfairness" of the world. Because of the world's absurdity, at any point in time, anything can happen to anyone, and a tragic event could plummet someone into direct confrontation with the Absurd.
Brittany Lowery

Alexandria, VA

#31 Sep 29, 2013
I think it is murder. A woman should only have one if she's assaulted. Just because you keep having kids, you should have abortions. Get help!
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taxpayer

Chapmanville, WV

#34 Sep 29, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Abortion IS a medical decision, which a woman has if she doesn't want to stay pregnant. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision, simple as that.
Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
Abortion is not a medical decision. It is murder of a baby.
If a woman doesn't want to stay pregnant, she should have kept here nasty crotch closed.
The babies life is not the women's life and it is not the right of the woman to end it, it is murder!
Motherhood is optional. If you don't want to be a mother you have the options of keeping your nasty legs closed, using protection or adopting the baby to one of the thousands of families who want a child, you selfish murdering whores!

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#35 Sep 29, 2013
Of course induced abortion is not murder. Murder is a legal term for an illegal act of killing. Any killing that is legal, is not murder.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#36 Sep 29, 2013
taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Abortion is not a medical decision. It is murder of a baby.
If a woman doesn't want to stay pregnant, she should have kept here nasty crotch closed.
The babies life is not the women's life and it is not the right of the woman to end it, it is murder!
Motherhood is optional. If you don't want to be a mother you have the options of keeping your nasty legs closed, using protection or adopting the baby to one of the thousands of families who want a child, you selfish murdering whores!
Let us not confuse fornication with motherhood. While fornication is an option, which may lead to motherhood. Motherhood is not an option. Motherhood is a state of being. An individual either is a mother, or an individual is not not a mother. As opposed to an individual either may choose to fornicate, or an individual may choose not to fornicate. Fornication is an option, motherhood is not an option.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#37 Sep 29, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Abortion IS a medical decision, which a woman has if she doesn't want to stay pregnant. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision, simple as that.
Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
Your bread and waters going cold.
Your hair is too short and neat.
Ill judge you all and make damn sure that no-one judges me.
You curl your toes in fun as you smile at everyone -- you meet the stares.
You're unaware that your doings aren't done.
And you laugh most ruthlessly as you tell us what not to be.
Wwjd

Charleston, WV

#38 Sep 29, 2013
I'm praying for some that have commented on here. May God bless you.
Talking

Charleston, WV

#39 Sep 29, 2013
Don't talk politics to this.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#40 Sep 30, 2013
Wwjd wrote:
I'm praying for some that have commented on here. May God bless you.
In answer to the implied question of your screen name, the way Jesus is depicted, pretty sure that you should be praying for everyone. Not just "some".
Ocean56

AOL

#41 Sep 30, 2013
zef wrote:
Motherhood is not an option. Motherhood is a state of being.
Again, Zeffy, motherhood IS an option, which any woman can easily REJECT if she doesn't want the hardships and responsibilities that it involves. Motherhood is only a "state of being" if a woman WANTS to get and stay pregnant. If she doesn't, she's free to terminate the unwanted pregnancy. Whether YOU approve of her decision or not is irrelevant.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
Ocean56

AOL

#42 Sep 30, 2013
Brittany Lowery wrote:
I think it is murder. A woman should only have one if she's assaulted. Just because you keep having kids, you should have abortions. Get help!
So YOU think abortion is murder, SO WHAT. That is YOUR belief or opinion, which doesn't apply to all women. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision. Deal with it.

As for your last idiotic statement, did you even know what you were talking about?@@

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
Ocean56

AOL

#43 Sep 30, 2013
zef wrote:
Your bread and waters going cold.
Your hair is too short and neat.
Ill judge you all and make damn sure that no-one judges me.
You curl your toes in fun as you smile at everyone -- you meet the stares.
You're unaware that your doings aren't done.
And you laugh most ruthlessly as you tell us what not to be.
WTH is this nonsense? Obviously you're off your meds, whatever they may be. Nothing you have written above makes any sense.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
Ocean56

AOL

#44 Sep 30, 2013
taxpayer wrote:
1. Abortion is not a medical decision. It is murder of a baby.
2. If a woman doesn't want to stay pregnant, she should have kept here nasty crotch closed.
3. The babies life is not the women's life and it is not the right of the woman to end it, it is murder!
4. Motherhood is optional. If you don't want to be a mother you have the options of keeping your nasty legs closed, using protection or adopting the baby to one of the thousands of families who want a child, you selfish murdering whores!
1. Abortion IS a medical decisioin. It is the termination of an UNWANTED pregnancy.

2. If a woman doesn't want to stay pregnant, she is free to abort the unwanted pregnancy. Your approval of her decision isn't required or requested.

3. It IS the woman's life, and ONLY the woman gets to make the decision whether or not to continue a pregnancy. Not YOUR pregnancy? Not your decision. Don't like it? Too bad.

4. You got THAT part right, at least. Motherhood IS optional, both before a pregnancy happens and afterward as well. NO woman has to gestate an unwanted pregnancy to accommodate selfish women (or selfish men) who will only accept infants for adoption, and no woman has to remain celibate for life because she doesn't EVER want kids.

Yes, I know it ticks anti-choice fanatics off big time that women CAN choose abortion if they don't want pregnancy or children, but guess what; that's another "tough s**t" moment, for you and the rest of the anti-choice crowd.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
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Since: Nov 13

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#46 Nov 21, 2013
I have to agree that this is not about women's health as much as it is about regulating access to an abortion. But given the fact that West Virginia's Medicaid program does cover abortion for poverty level women and families, the state should have the right to inspect, but not close down permanently.

Since: Nov 13

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#47 Nov 21, 2013
Brittany Lowery wrote:
I think it is murder. A woman should only have one if she's assaulted. Just because you keep having kids, you should have abortions. Get help!
You can't be consistent in your beliefs if you honestly believe that a woman "should" have an abortion if she's assaulted. It is her choice and I'm sure that's what you actually meant to say, "she should have a choice", at least I hope that is what you meant.

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