Citizens must speak up to avoid posta...

Citizens must speak up to avoid postal closure

There are 234 comments on the Bluefield Daily Telegraph story from Aug 29, 2011, titled Citizens must speak up to avoid postal closure. In it, Bluefield Daily Telegraph reports that:

Postal workers and city officials are encouraging Bluefield residents to come out to a public meeting tonight that will help decide the fate of the Bluefield Postal Processing and Distribution Center.

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I KNOW

Princeton, WV

#1 Aug 29, 2011
85 really, I didn't think the carriers were involved when did we get 85 clerks honesty is always the best policy
Erik Ward

Harriman, TN

#2 Aug 29, 2011
I KNOW wrote:
85 really, I didn't think the carriers were involved when did we get 85 clerks honesty is always the best policy
i hope they do Close it down.
OMG

Baltimore, MD

#3 Aug 30, 2011
The problem is that people send letters via email and pay there bills on-line. So the post office is loosing money so they raise the price of postage. Then more peolple start using online. I see alot of post offices closing in the future
Clueless

Charleston, WV

#4 Aug 30, 2011
The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.
Opine

Keswick, VA

#5 Sep 7, 2011
The USPS is broke and could shut down totally next year because of the massive benefits that it has to pay to its union pensioners and management not changing with the times. Another example of how unions stifle competitive business. I guess they thought since its a quasi government subsidized organization they could run it any way they wanted.
Surprise! Have a nice day and keep those cards and letters coming...oh better send those by email or Fedex.
Subjective Conservative

Princeton, WV

#6 Sep 7, 2011
Opine wrote:
The USPS is broke and could shut down totally next year because of the massive benefits that it has to pay to its union pensioners and management not changing with the times. Another example of how unions stifle competitive business. I guess they thought since its a quasi government subsidized organization they could run it any way they wanted.
Surprise! Have a nice day and keep those cards and letters coming...oh better send those by email or Fedex.
you are out of your mind with propaganda, how is the union responsible for the Postal Services financial problems? The Postal service has been hit hard by rising fuel costs and the fact that they cannot raise the price of a stamp without goddamned congressional approval and we know damned well that Congress will never do anything to help the country as long as those Tea Party dipshits are around. Do you think FedEx is going to deliver 168 billion pieces of mail each year for 44 cents each? Fedex would raise the price of a stamp to $3 each and then you'd still have to deal with Fedex delivering your mail which if you've ever dealt with them around here you'd know that Fedex around here is a bunch of goddamned morons.
You might think you are informed but brother you are way the f**k off, quit reading propaganda websites or watching the fox news bullshit.
Subjective Conservative

Princeton, WV

#7 Sep 7, 2011
and just so you understand in the simplest of terms. If they raised the price of stamps to 50 cents each then they'd not have any financial problems for at least 5 years til they'd have to raise it another 3 cents.

chew on this: 167 Billion X 6 cent raise = 10 billion dollars extra a year. They are short 9 billion right now. Raise the price and they don't have to cut anything. Or you can let FedEx do it for $3 a letter.
Opine

Keswick, VA

#8 Sep 7, 2011
Here you go Subjective Con, chew on this and while you're chewing, have someone read it to you.

The USPS is reported broke since 2008 when it started to post losses. USPS lost $2.8 billion in 2008,$3.7 billion in 2009,$8.3 billion last year, and itís $8.5 billion in the red this year. Overall, USPS has to fill a $20 billion budget gap between now and the end of 2014 to regain profitability, Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe said.

80 % of USPS costs are labor expenses, the above doesn't include $5.5 BILLION as PRE-payment into its UNION negotiated benefits for retirees which is due later this month.

The USPS is a dinosaur and needs to be streamlined into a modern business model instead of the same bureaucratic good ole boy network that it's been for decades.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-postal-serv...
Opine

Keswick, VA

#9 Sep 7, 2011
btw subcon...you can't pay me enough to watch fox news
IKNOW

Princeton, WV

#10 Sep 7, 2011
Opine wrote:
Here you go Subjective Con, chew on this and while you're chewing, have someone read it to you.
The USPS is reported broke since 2008 when it started to post losses. USPS lost $2.8 billion in 2008,$3.7 billion in 2009,$8.3 billion last year, and itís $8.5 billion in the red this year. Overall, USPS has to fill a $20 billion budget gap between now and the end of 2014 to regain profitability, Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe said.
80 % of USPS costs are labor expenses, the above doesn't include $5.5 BILLION as PRE-payment into its UNION negotiated benefits for retirees which is due later this month.
The USPS is a dinosaur and needs to be streamlined into a modern business model instead of the same bureaucratic good ole boy network that it's been for decades.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-postal-serv...
You are TOTALLY it is a DINOSAUR and an ALBATROSS that needs to be STREAMLINED into a workable modern day business model...even service would improve and with time attitudes might improve....it is and has been a good old boy network filled from top to bottom with incompetent "lifers" many with an attitude that would not survive in a modern business world.

I believe it should be PRIVATIZED maybe sold off to UPS or someone that KNOWS HOW TO RUN IT...and where SERVICE comes above all the attitude-the griping and complaining and some of the do nothings that hide out there now.The postal "system" is a outdated- unsustainable - top heavy-albatross that is light years BEHIND any of today's standards.
I will state an example I have actually experienced....I can order 2 items from same company from same shipping point.....postal system 10 or more days delivery....(once was 2 week) and UPS 3 days...that 3 days was AT THE DOOR on 3 rd day.That says someone is doing it right --AND IT IS NOT THE POSTAL SYSTEM.
Subjective Conservative

Bluefield, WV

#11 Sep 8, 2011
Opine wrote:
Here you go Subjective Con, chew on this and while you're chewing, have someone read it to you.
The USPS is reported broke since 2008 when it started to post losses. USPS lost $2.8 billion in 2008,$3.7 billion in 2009,$8.3 billion last year, and itís $8.5 billion in the red this year. Overall, USPS has to fill a $20 billion budget gap between now and the end of 2014 to regain profitability, Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe said.
80 % of USPS costs are labor expenses, the above doesn't include $5.5 BILLION as PRE-payment into its UNION negotiated benefits for retirees which is due later this month.
The USPS is a dinosaur and needs to be streamlined into a modern business model instead of the same bureaucratic good ole boy network that it's been for decades.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-postal-serv...
you sure can't read can you? I stated that a 6 cent raise in the price of stamps would eliminate their entire shortfall. 10 billion dollars extra over 3 years(2012,2013,2014)= 30 billion extra revenue. Is 30 billion more than the 20 billion you say they are short? Can you understand that? The postal service does a fantastic job but if you'd rather pay $3 per stamp to FedEx for substandard service and have to drive to Beckley to talk to a person or ship a package then fine.

Let me make it clearer for you.
$30,000,000,000 > $20,000,000,000
$3 > 50 cents

no matter how much you want to be right, you know that I am correct and you are wrong.
Garrett

United States

#12 Sep 8, 2011
Subjective Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
you sure can't read can you? I stated that a 6 cent raise in the price of stamps would eliminate their entire shortfall. 10 billion dollars extra over 3 years(2012,2013,2014)= 30 billion extra revenue. Is 30 billion more than the 20 billion you say they are short? Can you understand that? The postal service does a fantastic job but if you'd rather pay $3 per stamp to FedEx for substandard service and have to drive to Beckley to talk to a person or ship a package then fine.
Let me make it clearer for you.
$30,000,000,000 > $20,000,000,000
$3 > 50 cents
no matter how much you want to be right, you know that I am correct and you are wrong.
I don't really care either way and you two can argue all you want, but your math is wrong. The benefits for current and future retirees that the post office has to pay into will increase, as will the operating costs of the post office service due to inflation,rising gas prices,rising costs of living, etc. etc.(which I'm sure the union was sure to build in with their last contract). So a flat increase will not work, it would have to be a graduated increase every year just to maintain the current status quo.
The funny thing to me is when GM, Chrysler and the banks all started going bankrupt, everyone complained about them getting a bailout with our tax money, everyone said to let them declare bankruptcy. But let's just give the post office a blank check and let them raise prices to continue to operate in the same old inefficient way. I guarantee there will be a bailout of the post office though, but it will be wasted and it will need another bailout in 3 years or less unless they change the way that they operate.
Garrett

United States

#13 Sep 8, 2011
Here's a comparison: email is almost instant, can be printed if needed, can be resent, and the only cost is the cost of your ISP.
Snail mail takes what 3 days to 2 weeks to arrive, EVERYONE that touches that mail has to be paid, and paid very well for their inefficency and is pretty much untraceable if one of these inefficient humans decides to lose the letter or just not deliver it.

I get all of my bills delivered electronically and they are paid electronically. The only times I've been late have been when I depended on the USPS to deliver it on time.

major fail imho
IKNOW

Bluefield, WV

#14 Sep 8, 2011
Some are disagreeing with me BUT like the last post said...inefficient....it is so outdated and top heavy that with the lifetime so called guaranteed benefits this inefficient model is simply NOT SUSTAINABLE any longer.
When I was mailing bills(I no longer do) some took 7 days to 14 days to deliver with electronic it is there the day the program lists payment.
When I order online I HAVE LEARNED well to verify the delivery method where possible-and I have often cancelled an order and gone to another place to get the item if they only offered USPS delivery--again UPS is a usually 3 days and postal is 2 plus(sometimes 3) weeks for same delivery.....HOW can anyone call that in any way efficient??
They are simply an archaic -out of date-behind the times facility that REFUSES CHANGE and has forced many who can to rely on much faster means to correspond and pay bills.

They are totally refusing and changes and as such will become more and more inefficient and have to be bailed out more and more...the postal unions are definitely a part of this and as such "cushion & uphold" some useless and probably outdated positions-some unneeded is a more efficient streamlined-profitable business model.Useless management strongholds are as well a problem --simply inefficient and as well unsustainable in a modern business model.
IKNOW

Bluefield, WV

#15 Sep 8, 2011
(any changes) not and
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Angie

Lerona, WV

#17 Sep 9, 2011
Raise the price of a stamp by 6 cents and more people would use the internet to pay their bills. They would still be losing money. Then the next year you would have to have another rate increase which would drive more people to the internet to pay bills. Subjective conservative didnt give this much thought. You cant keep raising prices and expect the public to keep using your service.
Question

Washington, DC

#18 Sep 9, 2011
Angie wrote:
Raise the price of a stamp by 6 cents and more people would use the internet to pay their bills. They would still be losing money. Then the next year you would have to have another rate increase which would drive more people to the internet to pay bills. Subjective conservative didnt give this much thought. You cant keep raising prices and expect the public to keep using your service.
Why not, grocery stores and other retailers, cable companies, phone companies, etc. raise prices all the time, and people keep using their services.
Black Man

Princeton, WV

#19 Sep 9, 2011
Angie wrote:
Raise the price of a stamp by 6 cents and more people would use the internet to pay their bills. They would still be losing money. Then the next year you would have to have another rate increase which would drive more people to the internet to pay bills. Subjective conservative didnt give this much thought. You cant keep raising prices and expect the public to keep using your service.
so 6 cents is going to make the 70 million Americans without internet access to suddenly buy and learn to use a computer? His point was that the small raise in price vs the volume of mail is enough to solve their immediate financial problems with the alternative being eliminating the service and pay far more for UPS or FedEx to deliver mail. I doubt if either would be able to make a profit even if they charged $1 for a stamp. As a lark I checked on how much they currently charge to mail a letter. I chose 2nd day air for a normal envelope mailed from Bluefield to Raleigh NC, it's $15 if mailed today with a delivery on TUESDAY! I think I'll stick with the Postal Service which would deliver it for 44 cents and more than likely be there on Monday.

I think the Postal Service does a great job and these people claiming it takes 3 weeks for them to deliver mail are insane. I've never had a problem with the postal service as a matter of fact I had a ebay buyer 50 miles away send me his money order in the morning and I received the damn thing that afternoon. UPS or Fedex would never do that.
BigShipper

Dallas, TX

#20 Sep 9, 2011
I agree, those claims of it taking 2 weeks to get a package are simply being exaggerated. I order and ship parts (15 years now) almost every day, all with USPS. I've never had one take more than 5 days, and that was on the other side of the country! Plus they have a guaranteed method of delivery (express) with a guaranteed delivery date of 2 days or guess what , you get your money back! I'm pretty sure ups or FedEx would never make that kinda offer. And Blackman I think you're right, a 6 cent raise in a stamp wouldn't cause a revolution in this country, hell gas goes up by a dollar or more sometimes and nothing happens. Most people still think it's pretty doggone reasonable to pay less than 50 cent to mail something clear across the country.
Angie

Lerona, WV

#21 Sep 11, 2011
Why is the postal service losing money? The price of stamps. More and more people using the internet. More people in the future will be using the internet. Raising prices will drive more folks who have internet service to using that to pay bills. Lets compare, internet at the speed of sound. Postal service at the speed of a horse. No comparison. The USPS is a relic of the past. Only those sucking at the tit of the postal service defend it.

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