Anti-abortion group claims 2 Triangle clinics support selective abortion

Anti-abortion group Live Action performed an undercover sting at the Planned Parenthood in Chapel Hill on April 12, 2012.

[cpeter1313]

So it did a sting on something...legal?

Live action has no credibility; its previous "exposes" have been shown to be edited propaganda.

[Cliff Mather]

Edited propaganda? Aborting in clear cases of statuatory rape and agreeing not to report the crime? Taking money explicitly to abort black babies? Agreeing to abort simply for reasons of gender selection? Please share your source that explains how editing made these awful acts seem worse than they really were.

Slavery was legal once, too. Kudos to Lila Rose and Live Action for making clueless ghouls like yourself squirm with the knowledge of what "reproductive rights" are really doing in this country.

[godless by choice]

"Cliff Moron"
Kudos to Lila Rose and Live Action for making clueless ghouls like yourself squirm with the knowledge of what "reproductive rights" are really doing in this country.

the clueless ghouls would be all the anti choice,forced birthers out there....but there again it is the south.........

[cpeter1313]

1) A pregnant minor does not always mean statutory rape. If a 14yo gets pregnant by another 14yom, who is going to be charged with a crime? Secondly, they are rightly more concerned with the patient's well-being than looking for suspects. If a 14yo goes tot he hospital for drinking too much, should the doctors refuse treatment until the kid tells them how they got the booze? Since the clips were edited, you have no idea what the staff actually said to the girl.

BTW--when medical personnel say they won't call in the police, they often do it to clear the path to treating the patient. Again, THAT is their priority. The other point, of course, is that you obviously think a minor should not be allowed to abort. Why? so they are suitably punished for having sex?

2) If someone calls in and offers a donation, you take it. They don't get to determine how it is used; it all goes into the same fund. On the other hand, sicne black women are so often mired in poverty, it's nice that some cracker wants to help avail her of a procedure she WANTS.

3) Unless and until they pass laws outlawing gender-selective abortions, who cares? Since gender can't be determined until well into the second trimester, when only a small percentage of abortions are performed, there are further restrictions to deal with. Pass those laws, on the other hand, and a woman will simply not mention her reason for aborting or will make up another one.

Live action does make me squirm, just like faux news, tmz, and other propaganda groups that rape reality to further their agenda. If live action wants credibility, it needs to show the entire, unedited tapes.

There were under a million abortions last year. How many of them were due to statutory rape or gender selection? Most abortions are routine procedures performed by doctors who care about their patients, and on patients who have often made difficult decisions according to their own beliefs and circumstances.

Cliff Mather wrote:

Edited propaganda? Aborting in clear cases of statuatory rape and agreeing not to report the crime? Taking money explicitly to abort black babies? Agreeing to abort simply for reasons of gender selection? Please share your source that explains how editing made these awful acts seem worse than they really were.
Slavery was legal once, too. Kudos to Lila Rose and Live Action for making clueless ghouls like yourself squirm with the knowledge of what "reproductive rights" are really doing in this country.

[hwyangel]

par·ent·ing (pâr n-t ng, p r -) n. The rearing of a child or children, especially the care, love, and guidance given by a parent.

Pregnant minor child= negligent parent.
Normal course of action for neglected child/children is responsibility of child protective services. And it is the responsibility of a doctor to report obvious neglect. Unfortunately Planned Parenthood doesn't do that because it is a highly profitable business.

[Cliff Mather]

Godless by choice, is that the best insult you can come up with? At least I'm not such a coward as to leave off my real name.

BTW, everybody is a believer, eventually.

[Cliff Mather]

cpeter1313:

1) In the sting(s) they did several years back, they made it clear that the "boyfriend" was plenty old enough to make it statuatory rape. That was the point of the sting.

They were required by law to report the crime but did not. Do you think it was out of their concern for the patient that they disregarded the law? Or maybe because of their bottom line, at $1000 for every destroyed fetus? Spooking potential customers isn't good for business.

2) Wow, you are actually defending them for taking money for the express purpose of destroying unborn black people? Even Planned Parenthood fired the workers involved and ran for cover. But I guess when you are founded by a ghoul the likes of Margaret Sanger (eugenicist, racist, friend of the KKK, etc.), your apologists get acclimated to this kind of evil.

3) I'm glad you at least acknowledge a million abortions a year. Tell me, what is it that is being destroyed? Is it simply tissue, like hair or fingernails? Is it an animal? When does it become "human" (on your definiton of the term)? I'll bet you $100 that you can't come up with a coherent definition. E-mail me at [e-mail] if you want to take me up on the bet.

You people are evil, just like the people who used to apologize for slavery. If you don't know what it is, you shouldn't be killing it.

And I am evil too, for letting the likes of you get away with this crap for 40 years. Some day, their will be an accounting. Every one of us will have Hell to pay for this grave moral crime.

[hwyangel]

Maafa21

[cpeter1313]

Wow...so if your child isn't in your sight 24/7, you are negligent?

hwyangel wrote:

par·ent·ing (pâr n-t ng, p r -) n. The rearing of a child or children, especially the care, love, and guidance given by a parent.
Pregnant minor child= negligent parent.
Normal course of action for neglected child/children is responsibility of child protective services. And it is the responsibility of a doctor to report obvious neglect. Unfortunately Planned Parenthood doesn't do that because it is a highly profitable business.

[cpeter1313]

1) Really? Feel free to link to the court case for the unreported statutory rape or the rape itself. They are not required to report a fake pregnancy.

2) Since every black woman who aborts does so willingly, why not use some redneck's money to help her out financially? PP operates on a sliding scale when necessary. Of course, it could also have been used for some AA woman's prenatal care; we'll never know. It doesn't matter to me at all when the procedure paid for is the woman's choice--and especially when they don't earmark money like that to begin with.

You should actually read what sanger wrote, you twisted moron--for one thing, she OPPOSED abortion. You PLM zombies can't be bothered with facts, can you?

3) I'm not part of your delu7sional cult; I have no problem admitting reality. There were less than a million abortions last year. Every abortion was the result of one woman making one decision concerning one pregnancy. Abortion terminates a pregnancy. By necessity, it removes a fetus. Did you really not know this? A fetus is a potential human; its conception in no way removes the woman's right to her own body or her own medical decisions.

You have no SAY in a woman's decision. You take no risks, suffer no problems, or undergo social problems when she gets pregnant. And if you feel free to threaten me with hell, I feel comfortable telling you to shove your god right up your anal cavity.

Cliff Mather wrote:

cpeter1313:
1) In the sting(s) they did several years back, they made it clear that the "boyfriend" was plenty old enough to make it statuatory rape. That was the point of the sting.
They were required by law to report the crime but did not. Do you think it was out of their concern for the patient that they disregarded the law? Or maybe because of their bottom line, at $1000 for every destroyed fetus? Spooking potential customers isn't good for business.
2) Wow, you are actually defending them for taking money for the express purpose of destroying unborn black people? Even Planned Parenthood fired the workers involved and ran for cover. But I guess when you are founded by a ghoul the likes of Margaret Sanger (eugenicist, racist, friend of the KKK, etc.), your apologists get acclimated to this kind of evil.
3) I'm glad you at least acknowledge a million abortions a year. Tell me, what is it that is being destroyed? Is it simply tissue, like hair or fingernails? Is it an animal? When does it become "human" (on your definiton of the term)? I'll bet you $100 that you can't come up with a coherent definition. E-mail me at [e-mail] if you want to take me up on the bet.
You people are evil, just like the people who used to apologize for slavery. If you don't know what it is, you shouldn't be killing it.
And I am evil too, for letting the likes of you get away with this crap for 40 years. Some day, their will be an accounting. Every one of us will have Hell to pay for this grave moral crime.

[hwyangel]

cpeter1313 wrote:

Wow...so if your child isn't in your sight 24/7, you are negligent?
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If you can't trust them then obviously yes. When my youngest son decided to skip class once I went to school with him. I only had to do it once and the entire class behaved that day. lol

[cpeter1313]

If you can't trust them, you;re not a very good parent.

hwyangel wrote:

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If you can't trust them then obviously yes. When my youngest son decided to skip class once I went to school with him. I only had to do it once and the entire class behaved that day. lol

[hwyangel]

cpeter1313 wrote:

If you can't trust them, you;re not a very good parent.
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I don't personally believe in perfect kids.

[Ocean56]

If anyone has issues with Planned Parenthood, their solution is simple; don't use it.

I went to Planned Parenthood quite often when I was 18+ and had just moved to a big city. I knew that if I chose to have sex at some point, I DIDN'T want to get pregnant, so I needed reliable contraception to PREVENT that unwanted outcome. They charged very LITTLE money for that contraception, and I was very grateful to get it. I would have had to pay MORE anywhere else.

The Planned Parenthood facility I went to was terrific. The medical staff were very knowledgable and helpful, they answered all my questions on preventing unwanted pregnancy and STD's, and finally set me up with the contraception that I felt would work best for me. Thanks to Planned Parenthood and its wonderful staff, I never got pregnant before the time when I WANTED to become a mother, which wasn't until my 30's. I never got a sexually transmitted disease either. I went OFF birth control when I decided I was ready for the responsibility.

I strongly suggest that teens avoid all types of sexual activity with partners while in middle or high school because even WITH the use of birth control and condoms, unwanted pregnancy is still a possibility. Must protection always be used if for any reason a teen girl or guy decides to have sex? ABSOLUTELY, and EVERY time too. Is that protection a GUARANTEE a girl will never get pregnant? Absolutely NOT. All birth control methods can and do fail occasionally. When BC fails and a pregnancy results, it is still the girl's/woman's decision whether to continue it or not.

[hwyangel]

Only abstinence is 100% effective, and I don't personally promote sex, dating, or otherwise shopping for a spouse among teens. We as a nation have moral problems today,because our members do not have the ability to adequately restrain themselves. The bottom line is that our adult society did not learn self control as children.

[cpeter1313]

Because if you don't "promote" sex or dating among teens, it would never enter their minds to do it.

Many people aren't taught self-control, but that is a process that happens early in life or not at all.

Pretending there is A cause for "moral problems" is simplistic and does not help find a real answer--or, more correctly, answers.

hwyangel wrote:

Only abstinence is 100% effective, and I don't personally promote sex, dating, or otherwise shopping for a spouse among teens. We as a nation have moral problems today,because our members do not have the ability to adequately restrain themselves. The bottom line is that our adult society did not learn self control as children.

[hwyangel]

If the parents who are teaching their children self control are going to have their children exposed to sex education classes that are obviously ment for those children who lack having been taught this skill by parents who otherwise believe in "self expression" and/or sexual freedom, then it's not unreasonable to expect those same classes to teach self control also (IE: abstinence). Otherwise it is discrimination.

[hwyangel]

I understand and accept that not everyone believes as I do. In fact, the christain view of sex is offensive to most people, not just homosexuals. I also understand that some parents are ok with letting their teens date before they have graduated or are ready to commit to looking for a spouse. I can respect that too. What I am saying is that I refuse to be bullied into silence from expressing my beliefs also. So yes, abstinence should be be taught.

[cpeter1313]

Fine.

The teacher will begin the semester with, "It is best if you do not have sex before marriage."

That leaves the teacher the rest of the time to give them real instruction.

hwyangel wrote:

If the parents who are teaching their children self control are going to have their children exposed to sex education classes that are obviously ment for those children who lack having been taught this skill by parents who otherwise believe in "self expression" and/or sexual freedom, then it's not unreasonable to expect those same classes to teach self control also (IE: abstinence). Otherwise it is discrimination.

[hwyangel]

cpeter1313 wrote:

Fine.
The teacher will begin the semester with, "It is best if you do not have sex before marriage."
That leaves the teacher the rest of the time to give them real instruction.
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Actually there is a little more to it than that, lol
There are alot of classes for learning self control. And it really does benefit more than just choosing when to conceive rather than being controlled by your feelings and /or emotions. IE: the art of thinking before you act.