Spanking ban moves to N.C. House

Full story: Asheville Citizen-Times

Spanking is permitted in 47 North Carolina school districts, but many state lawmakers want to spare the rod.
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Drew2

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Jul 18, 2007
 
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Drew2

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Jul 18, 2007
 
[QUOTE who=""violence against children only encourages more violence."
This is what we do not need.[/QUOTE]

That is absurd Murphy! There IS a difference between a spanking and a beating. I spank my children, they are not violent. My eldest is 17 and he is not violent at ALL. I do not agree at all with this. If you have tried other things and it is not working, sometimes you just need to get the belt out!
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Jul 18, 2007
 
And I'm still in St. Louis. LOL

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Jul 18, 2007
 
Drew2 wrote:
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That is absurd Murphy! There IS a difference between a spanking and a beating. I spank my children, they are not violent. My eldest is 17 and he is not violent at ALL. I do not agree at all with this. If you have tried other things and it is not working, sometimes you just need to get the belt out!
That was the quote from the newspaper, not me. I had
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Jul 18, 2007
 
Drew2-

The person that made the statement about the violence is wrong.

And I was just trying to express my thoughts
that we do not need to BEAT the children.

Years ago, in my Sunday School class a substitute teacher, picked up a child (we were
about 10 yrs old) and slammed him up against
a cement block wall. That was the most disturbing thing I ever saw in school of any kind.

My high school had a bouncer (body builder without the use of anabolic sterioids) and could lift two students by each hand if they
were seen selling heroin in one of the basement hallways.

“Be No Tarheelborn”

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Jul 18, 2007
 
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That is very odd....
Willow Spring Girl

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Jul 20, 2007
 
If you think spanking is wrong in school. Keep them home because school is to learn not to babysit.Thats why kids to day cannot read and write.

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Jul 21, 2007
 
Willow Spring Girl wrote:
If you think spanking is wrong in school. Keep them home because school is to learn not to babysit.Thats why kids to day cannot read and write.
Remember the movie "To Sir with Love" and how badly
the students behaved.

If students cannot act properly in school then it is time to send them to juvenile school or to military school.

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Jul 21, 2007
 
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Remember the movie "To Sir with Love" and how badly
the students behaved.
If students cannot act properly in school then it is time to send them to juvenile school or to military school.
WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS BARELY 6, SHE WAS JUMPING UP AND DOWN ON THE COUCH JUST AFTER WE HAD GOTTEN HOME FROM A TRIP ABROAD. I WAS ON THE PHONE AT THE TIME WITH HER GRAMMA(LUCKILY I HAD A WITNESS) AND HAD JUST TOLD MY DAUGHTER TO STOP JUMPING WHEN SHE FELL OFF THE COUCH HITTING HER EYE ON THE WOODEN PART OF THE ARM OF THE COUCH WHICH GAVE HER A BLACK EYE. I TOOK HER TO SCHOOL THE NEXT DAY AND EXPLAINED THIS TO HER TEACHER OR SO I THOUGHT TO HER SATISFACTION, LATER THAT DAY I RECIEVED A CALL FROM THE SCHOOL THAT I NEEDED TO COME TO SCHOOL THAT MY DAUGHTER WAS NOT GOING TO BE RELEASED TO ME.THAT I NEEDED TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. I IMMEDIATELY PHONED MY HUSBAND WHO BEAT ME TO SCHOOL.HE WALKED IN AND IT SOUNDED LIKE KATY BAR THE DOORS,THE THUNDER ROARS AS THE WALLS RATTLED AND HE WANTED TO KNOW WHERE IN THE HELL HIS DAUGHTER WAS.DSS HAD TAKEN CONTROL OF HER AND ACCUSED US OF CHILD ABUSE.ACCORDING TO STATE LAWS IN NC THE DSS CAN COME INTO ANYONES HOME I DO MEAN ANYONES HOME AND TAKE A CHILD OUT AND CLAIM SUSPICION OF NEGLECT AND HOLD THAT CHOLD FOR 72 HOURS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER. THAT IS A FACT. IT IS THE LAW.YET THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF KIDS OUT THERE IN ASHEVILLE ALONE THAT ARE TRUELY ABUSED THAT THEY DO NOT GO AFTER AT ALL. BUT TO CONTINUE MY STORY. THEY TOOK MY DAUGHTER INTO A ROOM HAD HER STRIP DOWN NECKKED,AND TOOK PICTURES OF HER WITHOUT ANY CLOTHES ON. WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE OR PERMISSION. NOW HER FATHER, PHYSICIAN AND MYSELF HAD ALWAYS BROUGHT HER UP THAT NOONE WAS TO SEE HER WITHOUT HER CLOTHES OFF EXCEPT HER DR AND HER MOMMA. THIS SEVERELY TRAUMATIZED MY DAUGHTER TO THE POINT THAT THIS DAY SHE WILL NOT UNDRESS EXCEPT MOMMA BEING RIGHT THERE WITH HER. SHE IS 11 YRS OLD NOW....CONTINUING ON....THE DSS MADE US IMMEDIATELY TAKE HER TO A DR.BUT OUR DAUGHTER WAS NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE WITH US. SO I RODE WITH HER.HER DR. HAD ALSO BEEN HER BROTHERS DR WHEN HE WAS A CHILD ALMOST 17 YEARS PRIOR. BOY DID SHE GET MAD WHEN THE DSS TOLD HER WHY OUR DAUGHTER WAS THERE.I TOLD HER WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND SHE TOLD THE DSS THAT HER BLACK EYE WAS CONSISTANT WITH EXACTLY WHAT I HAD SAID AND THAT WE HAD NEVER BEEN ABUSIVE PARENTS AS A MATTER OF FACT WE WERE IF ANYTHING A BIT OVERLY PROTECTIVE SINCE SHE WAS SO YOUNG AND WE WERE ON THE OLDER SIDE.THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE CHECKING ON THE REAL ABUSERS AND THAT SHE COULD GIVE THEM A WHOLE LIST FULL IF THEY WISHED BUT MY HUSBAND AND I WERENT 2 OF THEM. MY DAUGHTER WAS FOREVER TRAUMATIZED BY THIS. SO BADLY THAT FOR YEARS SHE DIDNT EVEN TRUST HER TEACHERS. THAT SHE WAS AFRAID THEY WOULD SEND DSS AND HAVE THEM TAKE HER AWAY FROM HER MOMMA AND DADDY. JUST NOW SHE HAS STOPPED DREAMING ABOUT IT SO MUCH.BUT IT HAS TAKEN FROM FIRST GRADE TO 6TH FOR HER TO START TO EVEN TO BEGIN TO FORGET.

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For cryin' out loud! A spanking is not violence!
For cryin' out loud, I grew up in an era that allowed it even in the schools. I believe we found better ways. I can testify that in my experience, a heavy hand was not always administered with objectivity and thus resulted in a lifetime resentment of those who erroneously laid a hand on my person.

Actually, I believe to strike a child objectively is not a good thing either and I have no faith in the efficacy of such actions. My own children were never spanked, a whack on the butt once or twice, perhaps, but both my kids have graduated with honors from their respective colleges and are anything but spoiled.

In conclusion, there is a thin line between a carefully administered spanking and outright abuse. I believe this is what the lawmakers are pondering as it is certainly a fact many kids have had abusive parents which has been shown to breed violent behavior. No doubt it may work for some but may I suggest, the Bible is not giving license to parents to abuse their kids.
Drew2

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Jul 22, 2007
 
MurphyMobile wrote:
Drew2-
The person that made the statement about the violence is wrong.
And I was just trying to express my thoughts
that we do not need to BEAT the children.
Years ago, in my Sunday School class a substitute teacher, picked up a child (we were
about 10 yrs old) and slammed him up against
a cement block wall. That was the most disturbing thing I ever saw in school of any kind.
My high school had a bouncer (body builder without the use of anabolic sterioids) and could lift two students by each hand if they
were seen selling heroin in one of the basement hallways.
My bad! Maybe I should read a little better.:0)

I don't believe in beating them either, but a good, sound spanking IS sometimes called for. There is nothing wrong with tanning the hide of your child. If these kids today got their butts tanned every once in a while, maybe they would have more respect.
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Jul 22, 2007
 
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If you think spanking is wrong in school. Keep them home because school is to learn not to babysit.Thats why kids to day cannot read and write.
A little FYI. My children are ALL very intelligent. I have a daughter who is about to enter 2nd grade and READS on a 5th grade level. I DON'T expect or NEED anyone to babysit my children. The simple fact is this. Mine get their butts busted, they pay attention in class, are respectful to their teachers and their peers. Why?? Because the RESPECT and FEAR their mother. They know if they get in trouble at school, they will be in trouble at home. PERIOD. I do not believe in "taking my child's side" for the most part if they misbehave in school. You do what your told and that's that. I don't care how unfair or whatever you think it may be. Children are in school to learn, not socialize. However, I do believe that if they cut up at school, the teacher or the principal should have the right to get a paddle and paddle their butts.

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A little FYI. My children are ALL very intelligent. I have a daughter who is about to enter 2nd grade and READS on a 5th grade level. I DON'T expect or NEED anyone to babysit my children. The simple fact is this. Mine get their butts busted, they pay attention in class, are respectful to their teachers and their peers. Why?? Because the RESPECT and FEAR their mother. They know if they get in trouble at school, they will be in trouble at home. PERIOD. I do not believe in "taking my child's side" for the most part if they misbehave in school. You do what your told and that's that. I don't care how unfair or whatever you think it may be. Children are in school to learn, not socialize. However, I do believe that if they cut up at school, the teacher or the principal should have the right to get a paddle and paddle their butts.
HEY SUGARDUMPLIN MY SON AT AGE 4 STARTED KINDERGARTEN. HE WAS JUST AT THE CUTOFF DATE.THE TEACHERS KEPT CALLING HIM STUPID AND LAZY BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T SIT IN HIS SEAT TO DO HIS CLASSWORK YET HE MADE STRAIGHT 100'S ON EVERY TEST THEY GAVE HIM. SO I FINALLY PUSHED THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO HAVE HIM TESTED. THEY DO A BATTERY OF MENTAL AND PHYSICAL TESTS ADMINISTERED BY SCHOOL OFFICIALS,PSYCOLOGISTS,PSYCIAT RISTS,AND MEDICAL PHSICIANS. AT 4 YEARS OLD MY SONS IQ WAS 139.6. HE WAS READING THE CITIZEN-TIMES AT 2 1/2 YEARS OLD AND COMPREHENDING WHAT HE WAS READING. IT WAS NOTHING FOR HIM TO READ BETWEEN 3 TO 500 BOOKS DURING THE SUMMER READING PROGRAMS AT THE LIBRARY. BUT ONE THING HAPPENED THAT TOTALLY DESTROYED THE CHILD THAT CHANGED HIS LIFE FOREVER. HE GOT LABELED AS BEING A BAD KID BY A FEW TEACHERS THAT DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANT TO HAVE ADHD. ATTENTION DEFICET HYPERACTIVITY DISORDER. PARDON THE MISPELLING I STILL HAVE BANDAGES ON MY EYE WHICH BLURS MY VISION.THIS FOLLOWED HIM ALL THRU SCHOOL AND HE BASICALLY GAVE UP ON APPLYING HIMSELF TO HIS SCHOOLWORK. HE DID WHAT HE HAD TO DO JUST TO PASS.ECAUSE THE TEACHERS DID NOT UNDERSTAND AND I GOT TIRED OF TRYING TO EXPLAIN. THATS WHAT IS WRONG WITH MANY OF THE CHILDREN THESE DAYS. THEY HAVE THIS DISORDER AND THE FIRST THING PARENTS DO IS MEDICATE THEM INTO LITTLE ZOMBIES. I REFUSED TO DO THAT WITH MY SON. IF I COULD HANDLE HIM AT HOME THE TEACHERS COULD HANDLE HIM AT SCHOOL. I TRIED TO TELL THEM HOW TO DO THIS BY GIVING HIM EXTRA ACTIVITIES TO DO THINGS THAT WOULD ENTREST HIM BUT THEY WOULDNT DO IT. INSTEAD THEY HAD RATHER SLAP THE LABEL OF BAD CHILD ON HIM AND FORGET ABOUT HIM.IT WAS ALOT EASIER THAN WORKING WITH HIM.

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Jul 22, 2007
 
BTW BACK THEN AN IQ OF 140 WAS CONSIDERED AT THE GENIOUS LEVEL.
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<quoted text>HEY SUGARDUMPLIN MY SON AT AGE 4 STARTED KINDERGARTEN. HE WAS JUST AT THE CUTOFF DATE.THE TEACHERS KEPT CALLING HIM STUPID AND LAZY BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T SIT IN HIS SEAT TO DO HIS CLASSWORK YET HE MADE STRAIGHT 100'S ON EVERY TEST THEY GAVE HIM. SO I FINALLY PUSHED THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO HAVE HIM TESTED. THEY DO A BATTERY OF MENTAL AND PHYSICAL TESTS ADMINISTERED BY SCHOOL OFFICIALS,PSYCOLOGISTS,PSYCIAT RISTS,AND MEDICAL PHSICIANS. AT 4 YEARS OLD MY SONS IQ WAS 139.6. HE WAS READING THE CITIZEN-TIMES AT 2 1/2 YEARS OLD AND COMPREHENDING WHAT HE WAS READING. IT WAS NOTHING FOR HIM TO READ BETWEEN 3 TO 500 BOOKS DURING THE SUMMER READING PROGRAMS AT THE LIBRARY. BUT ONE THING HAPPENED THAT TOTALLY DESTROYED THE CHILD THAT CHANGED HIS LIFE FOREVER. HE GOT LABELED AS BEING A BAD KID BY A FEW TEACHERS THAT DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANT TO HAVE ADHD. ATTENTION DEFICET HYPERACTIVITY DISORDER. PARDON THE MISPELLING I STILL HAVE BANDAGES ON MY EYE WHICH BLURS MY VISION.THIS FOLLOWED HIM ALL THRU SCHOOL AND HE BASICALLY GAVE UP ON APPLYING HIMSELF TO HIS SCHOOLWORK. HE DID WHAT HE HAD TO DO JUST TO PASS.ECAUSE THE TEACHERS DID NOT UNDERSTAND AND I GOT TIRED OF TRYING TO EXPLAIN. THATS WHAT IS WRONG WITH MANY OF THE CHILDREN THESE DAYS. THEY HAVE THIS DISORDER AND THE FIRST THING PARENTS DO IS MEDICATE THEM INTO LITTLE ZOMBIES. I REFUSED TO DO THAT WITH MY SON. IF I COULD HANDLE HIM AT HOME THE TEACHERS COULD HANDLE HIM AT SCHOOL. I TRIED TO TELL THEM HOW TO DO THIS BY GIVING HIM EXTRA ACTIVITIES TO DO THINGS THAT WOULD ENTREST HIM BUT THEY WOULDNT DO IT. INSTEAD THEY HAD RATHER SLAP THE LABEL OF BAD CHILD ON HIM AND FORGET ABOUT HIM.IT WAS ALOT EASIER THAN WORKING WITH HIM.
Hey, I feel you, I have one of those. Highly intelligent people tend to have ADD. At least that's what my eldest son's Dr. told me. He's doing better now, but I got a lot of the same thing when he was little. I still busted his butt when he stepped outta line though. ;-)
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For cryin' out loud! A spanking is not violence!
You Southern trash used to say slavery was okay too. Who won that war? WE DID! GET OVER IT! WE ARE TAKING YOUR BELOVED SPANKING AWAY FROM YOU AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. IT IS POINTLESS EVEN TO TRY!
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Aug 22, 2007
 
I think that spanking should be left up to the parents. Discipline starts at home and if done properly, the corrected behavior will most likely flow over into school. There are too many sick individuals working in the school system to be trusted putting their hands on my children. It's not like when we were growing up when it took a tribe to raise a child. Now the tribe is corrupt.
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Ms. Butler was the Dean of girls.
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Jun 21, 2011
 
There is not a fine line between spanking and abuse. There is a HUGE difference. It's that "fine line" you speak of which allows such idiotic thinking to even take place where spanking made to so closely resemble abuse.

Bottom line to your comment...you DID swat your kids. So don't come across as if you never used physical discipline on your children. I have HS honor roll students and they WERE spanked as kids in order to instill some discipline, respect, and accountability.

The problem this liberal crap creates is this...when a child misbehaves in school and is unruly...it's the parents that are called in and told they need to do something about it, yet it's these same schools that are teaching our kids that their parents aren't aloud to physically discipline them in any way. If schools don't want to be baby-sitters...then stop trying to be parents. JUST TEACH!
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Jun 21, 2011
 
This is so idiotic. I am so tired of people trying to push their personal, liberal, one-world, ideology on everyone (and they say religious people are demanding and pushy with their views).

If you don't believe in spanking...DON'T SPANK. Don't try to get into my home, my life, my family and tell me you know better than I do what is best for us. What's next...hamburgers are too fatty...so let's not let ANYONE eat them...because we know what is best for everyone.

Making spanking illegal WILL NOT stop abuse...it will only make criminals out of parents just trying to instill some values into their children. Those who would abuse still will. The only thing making spanking illegal does is allows liberal weenies to sleep better at night because "oh...we've done all we can do to protect people from themselves".

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