Churches speak up on gay marriage

Sep 18, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News Observer

Does the Bible dictate that marriage is a union between a man and a woman and that homosexuality is an abomination? Or is the Bible open to interpretation, and is God's love all-encompassing? The conversation begins in the pews this morning, religious leaders say.

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<quoted text>You misdefine love.
The Bible commands against all homosexual behavior.
Within the household of faith, love means warning your neighbor of the danger of perdition. It does not mean 'affirming' behavior that the Bible says leads to hellfire.
No it doesn't. Lacon you have shown no proof that the Bible commands against all homosexual behavior. You've got love all wrong. And, how you treat your neighbor, well, you have no clue. Clueless. Un-Christian.
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<quoted text>No one says you have to be here, Ms. Aids, especially since you are an anti-Christian bigot claiming to be Jewish but choosing to live in open rebellion against centuries of Jewish teaching and practice as well as against the Torah itself.
No one says you have to be here, Miss Thing, especially since you are a homophobic closet queen, claiming to be straight but surfing for gay porn. My dog knows more about the Torah than you.

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<quoted text>You misdefine love.
The Bible commands against all homosexual behavior.
Within the household of faith, love means warning your neighbor of the danger of perdition. It does not mean 'affirming' behavior that the Bible says leads to hellfire.
There are gross misinterpretations of the Bible by lot of laypeople. I wonder if you (Theo) can understand Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek? I wonder if you have recieved any courses in textual criticism? It is obvious that you know nothing about apologetics. Have you ever questioned the exclusively male metaphors for God
(based on the viewpoint of 17th century theologians) on the grounds that they do not offer women or Gay/ lesbian people or even people of color divine horizons. I think that God is beyond sexual distinctions. God is personal, Heterosexual behavior can be sinful, just as homosexual behavior can be sinful. Since God is completely beyond sexual distinctions but our language of God is always gendered, then all specifically masculine, feminine, or in-between content of the language about God stems exclusively from the creaturly realm. All employment of God language for any construction of gender identity is illegitamate and ought to be resisted. God models our common humanity, not our gender specificity. It is possible, for a man to be feminine, but there must be a qaulitative difference between femininity lived by a woman and that lived by men. Some of youare wrong and should not seek to derive the content of gender identity by mirroring God, because any femininity, masculinity you may find in God was projected onto God. As we define God and love I think we have to be well versed theologically. Some of you haven't interpreted the Bible you are just parroting what has been heard about (since the 17th century) that homosexuality and being something other is sinful. Oh yes most of you probably came from churches where they used rattlesnake bites to prove your salvation!
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There are gross misinterpretations of the Bible by lot of laypeople. I wonder if you (Theo) can understand Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek? I wonder if you have recieved any courses in textual criticism? It is obvious that you know nothing about apologetics. Have you ever questioned the exclusively male metaphors for God
(based on the viewpoint of 17th century theologians) on the grounds that they do not offer women or Gay/ lesbian people or even people of color divine horizons. I think that God is beyond sexual distinctions. God is personal, Heterosexual behavior can be sinful, just as homosexual behavior can be sinful. Since God is completely beyond sexual distinctions but our language of God is always gendered, then all specifically masculine, feminine, or in-between content of the language about God stems exclusively from the creaturly realm. All employment of God language for any construction of gender identity is illegitamate and ought to be resisted. God models our common humanity, not our gender specificity. It is possible, for a man to be feminine, but there must be a qaulitative difference between femininity lived by a woman and that lived by men. Some of youare wrong and should not seek to derive the content of gender identity by mirroring God, because any femininity, masculinity you may find in God was projected onto God. As we define God and love I think we have to be well versed theologically. Some of you haven't interpreted the Bible you are just parroting what has been heard about (since the 17th century) that homosexuality and being something other is sinful. Oh yes most of you probably came from churches where they used rattlesnake bites to prove your salvation!
You obviously don't have a clue and really don't choose to try to learn what the Bible means.

No ancient text, Bible translation, or major Judeo-Christian tradition supports the nonsense you've posted.

Obviously, you prefer radical homosexual philosophy to Christianity. An OVERWHELMING majority of the world's Christians wholeheartedly support the Bible's repeated commands against all homosexual behavior, and this has been the case for the entire history of the faith.

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<quoted text>You obviously don't have a clue and really don't choose to try to learn what the Bible means.
No ancient text, Bible translation, or major Judeo-Christian tradition supports the nonsense you've posted.
Obviously, you prefer radical homosexual philosophy to Christianity. An OVERWHELMING majority of the world's Christians wholeheartedly support the Bible's repeated commands against all homosexual behavior, and this has been the case for the entire history of the faith.
Lacon, it is so damn funny each time someone else speaks out with knowledge against your false prophecies. LOL! Your responses are the same every time. LOL! More hot air comes out of your thoughts than probably out of your mouth. I suppose that you'd be able to lift a hot air balloon. LOL!

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<quoted text>You obviously don't have a clue and really don't choose to try to learn what the Bible means.
No ancient text, Bible translation, or major Judeo-Christian tradition supports the nonsense you've posted.
Obviously, you prefer radical homosexual philosophy to Christianity. An OVERWHELMING majority of the world's Christians wholeheartedly support the Bible's repeated commands against all homosexual behavior, and this has been the case for the entire history of the faith.
Besides the traditional "Textus Receptus" what are these ancient texts that you are speaking of? As far as Bible translations, there are hundreds of them and some of them are biased and a couple of them condone homosexuality. In the 21st century I cannot think of any truly Judeo-Christian groups. The right wing evangelical conservative groups are more of a national political party than of a purely Judeo-christian tradition. I do not prefer radical homosexual philosophy (whatever that is). I believe in treating all humanbeings the same regardless of their color, creed, nationality, sexual orientation ect. Now there should not be any problems if people choose to not be harsh critics of others, and seek peace and peaceful solutions to social problems. If you are truly a Christian, it seems to me that you would be trying to lift up Jesus through ministry so He can draw all men unto Him. You are not ministering to the masses if you are continuously beating them across the head, trying to kill their spirits. You speak as though you have no defects and you are sinless. If any man denies his sinfulness he is a liar! I am not being an apologist on Homosexual philosophy nor right wing politics, or that negative rhetoric that you are preaching. We all ar seeking justice and there will be no justice for anyone if we can't learn to embrace others. The so-called truth that you call youself seeing is a thing of this world; it is produced by virtue of multiple forms of constraint and bigotry. It tries to induce effects of power, this is your general politics outdated and slanted discource which tries to make your illusions true. this is my last time expressing truth on is forum, I am moving on, because there is no healing going on when certain people are bent on hating and villifying others. its a waste of time to even communicate with hateful people. I use to feel that way about Gay people until I surrendered to God and found out that God wants us to progress so that He can use us strictly for his causes...Im out ah here!
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Besides the traditional "Textus Receptus" what are these ancient texts that you are speaking of? As far as Bible translations, there are hundreds of them and some of them are biased and a couple of them condone homosexuality. In the 21st century I cannot think of any truly Judeo-Christian groups. The right wing evangelical conservative groups are more of a national political party than of a purely Judeo-christian tradition. I do not prefer radical homosexual philosophy (whatever that is). I believe in treating all humanbeings the same regardless of their color, creed, nationality, sexual orientation ect. Now there should not be any problems if people choose to not be harsh critics of others, and seek peace and peaceful solutions to social problems. If you are truly a Christian, it seems to me that you would be trying to lift up Jesus through ministry so He can draw all men unto Him. You are not ministering to the masses if you are continuously beating them across the head, trying to kill their spirits. You speak as though you have no defects and you are sinless. If any man denies his sinfulness he is a liar! I am not being an apologist on Homosexual philosophy nor right wing politics, or that negative rhetoric that you are preaching. We all ar seeking justice and there will be no justice for anyone if we can't learn to embrace others. The so-called truth that you call youself seeing is a thing of this world; it is produced by virtue of multiple forms of constraint and bigotry. It tries to induce effects of power, this is your general politics outdated and slanted discource which tries to make your illusions true. this is my last time expressing truth on is forum, I am moving on, because there is no healing going on when certain people are bent on hating and villifying others. its a waste of time to even communicate with hateful people. I use to feel that way about Gay people until I surrendered to God and found out that God wants us to progress so that He can use us strictly for his causes...Im out ah here!
Before you leave. One Question! Do you believe homosexuals will be allowed to enter Heaven and God will accept them without repenting and changing their lifestyle???
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There are gross misinterpretations of the Bible by lot of laypeople. I wonder if you (Theo) can understand Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek? I wonder if you have recieved any courses in textual criticism? It is obvious that you know nothing about apologetics. Have you ever questioned the exclusively male metaphors for God
(based on the viewpoint of 17th century theologians) on the grounds that they do not offer women or Gay/ lesbian people or even people of color divine horizons. I think that God is beyond sexual distinctions. God is personal, Heterosexual behavior can be sinful, just as homosexual behavior can be sinful. Since God is completely beyond sexual distinctions but our language of God is always gendered, then all specifically masculine, feminine, or in-between content of the language about God stems exclusively from the creaturly realm. All employment of God language for any construction of gender identity is illegitamate and ought to be resisted. God models our common humanity, not our gender specificity. It is possible, for a man to be feminine, but there must be a qaulitative difference between femininity lived by a woman and that lived by men. Some of youare wrong and should not seek to derive the content of gender identity by mirroring God, because any femininity, masculinity you may find in God was projected onto God. As we define God and love I think we have to be well versed theologically. Some of you haven't interpreted the Bible you are just parroting what has been heard about (since the 17th century) that homosexuality and being something other is sinful. Oh yes most of you probably came from churches where they used rattlesnake bites to prove your salvation!
Can practicing homosexuals enter into the Kingdom of God? You give me your take on this.

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Besides the traditional "Textus Receptus" what are these ancient texts that you are speaking of? As far as Bible translations, there are hundreds of them and some of them are biased and a couple of them condone homosexuality. In the 21st century I cannot think of any truly Judeo-Christian groups. The right wing evangelical conservative groups are more of a national political party than of a purely Judeo-christian tradition. I do not prefer radical homosexual philosophy (whatever that is). I believe in treating all humanbeings the same regardless of their color, creed, nationality, sexual orientation ect. Now there should not be any problems if people choose to not be harsh critics of others, and seek peace and peaceful solutions to social problems. If you are truly a Christian, it seems to me that you would be trying to lift up Jesus through ministry so He can draw all men unto Him. You are not ministering to the masses if you are continuously beating them across the head, trying to kill their spirits. You speak as though you have no defects and you are sinless. If any man denies his sinfulness he is a liar! I am not being an apologist on Homosexual philosophy nor right wing politics, or that negative rhetoric that you are preaching. We all ar seeking justice and there will be no justice for anyone if we can't learn to embrace others. The so-called truth that you call youself seeing is a thing of this world; it is produced by virtue of multiple forms of constraint and bigotry. It tries to induce effects of power, this is your general politics outdated and slanted discource which tries to make your illusions true. this is my last time expressing truth on is forum, I am moving on, because there is no healing going on when certain people are bent on hating and villifying others. its a waste of time to even communicate with hateful people. I use to feel that way about Gay people until I surrendered to God and found out that God wants us to progress so that He can use us strictly for his causes...Im out ah here!
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<quoted text>Before you leave. One Question! Do you believe homosexuals will be allowed to enter Heaven and God will accept them without repenting and changing their lifestyle???
Well, technically, no, since your god nor his heaven exist.
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Well, technically, no, since your god nor his heaven exist.
Since your are an anti-Christian bigot, your really have no reason to be here, troll.

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<quoted text>Can practicing homosexuals enter into the Kingdom of God? You give me your take on this.
I cannot place anyone into Heaven or Hell, and the bible should not be used for personal interpretation. When one interprets the bible he/she should be intune with the Holy Spirit as a guide along with your commentaries and references and perhaps a little word study might be helpful. That is the problem, too many people want to interpret scripture to meet their own agenda. I might feel the same way about this subject as countless other Christians, but my opinion will not be voiced in a hurtful or disrespectful manner, remember that scripture that says sometimes all we need to say is YEA and NAY? I know all about Biblical apologetics, but in this particular instance there is no need for any theological defences for such a simplistic subject. We all know that without repentance that no one will enter the Kingdom of God regardless of what the sin is. I cannot truefully answer this question and I don't think you can either. The apostle Paul stressed that all sins are forgivable d changeable tru Jesus Christ. cf. 1 Cor. 6:11, But some of you were guilty of such sin. The homosexual (your earthly brethren) is entitled to the same cleansing, the same sanctification, and the same Justification by God that you are entitled to.(but I forgot some of you don'tbelieve in entitlements lol). And besides if a Christian crucifies his/her flesh daily and denies self, we should not have a private take on who we think should go to heaven or hell or some traditional way we think scripture is to be interpreted. The JUDGEMENT phase is up to GOD!

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I cannot place anyone into Heaven or Hell, and the bible should not be used for personal interpretation. When one interprets the bible he/she should be intune with the Holy Spirit as a guide along with your commentaries and references and perhaps a little word study might be helpful. That is the problem, too many people want to interpret scripture to meet their own agenda. I might feel the same way about this subject as countless other Christians, but my opinion will not be voiced in a hurtful or disrespectful manner, remember that scripture that says sometimes all we need to say is YEA and NAY? I know all about Biblical apologetics, but in this particular instance there is no need for any theological defences for such a simplistic subject. We all know that without repentance that no one will enter the Kingdom of God regardless of what the sin is. I cannot truefully answer this question and I don't think you can either. The apostle Paul stressed that all sins are forgivable d changeable tru Jesus Christ. cf. 1 Cor. 6:11, But some of you were guilty of such sin. The homosexual (your earthly brethren) is entitled to the same cleansing, the same sanctification, and the same Justification by God that you are entitled to.(but I forgot some of you don'tbelieve in entitlements lol). And besides if a Christian crucifies his/her flesh daily and denies self, we should not have a private take on who we think should go to heaven or hell or some traditional way we think scripture is to be interpreted. The JUDGEMENT phase is up to GOD!
You sound like a Catholic.

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<quoted text>Since your are an anti-Christian bigot, your really have no reason to be here, troll.
I thought you guys were all about forgiveness! I guess poor Christ died in vain, for it SURE didn't rub off on YOU.

How about "Forgive them, Father, they know not what they do?" Uh, it's in a little book called the BIBLE, you may want to pick one up on occasion, for more than beatin' those you don't like.

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You calling someone a troll would really be funny if it weren't so damned stupid.
Hercule wrote:
<quoted text>Since your are an anti-Christian bigot, your really have no reason to be here, troll.

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<quoted text>Since your are an anti-Christian bigot, your really have no reason to be here, troll.
Rose Noho has every right to be here. If you christian hate groups would keep your mouths shut and keep your religion in your churches and homes there wouldn't be any arguments.
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im gay. Im going to get married. get used to it
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<quoted text>Rose Noho has every right to be here. If you christian hate groups would keep your mouths shut and keep your religion in your churches and homes there wouldn't be any arguments.
I find it interesting that you want to put Christians "In the Closet".
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im gay. Im going to get married. get used to it
Why?
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I find it interesting that you want to put Christians "In the Closet".
There is no bigger closet than a Southern Baptist Church.

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