Churches speak up on gay marriage

Churches speak up on gay marriage

There are 719 comments on the News Observer story from Sep 18, 2011, titled Churches speak up on gay marriage. In it, News Observer reports that:

Does the Bible dictate that marriage is a union between a man and a woman and that homosexuality is an abomination? Or is the Bible open to interpretation, and is God's love all-encompassing? The conversation begins in the pews this morning, religious leaders say.

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hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#21 Sep 18, 2011
I now firmly believe that nothing but time will teach people: The conversation is being hijacked by the "religious" and every time you talk about the matter on their terms (in other words, indulging their point of view), you have successfully been hijacked. Oh, well. I will continue NOT to do that.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#22 Sep 18, 2011
Leo wrote:
It is preposterous to claim that the Bible's repeatedly commands against all homosexual are 'open to interpretation.' They are VERY CLEARLY stated in the PLAINEST of language:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9(NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Jude 1:6-7 (NASB)- And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
Each and every day of your existence, you make satan so proud that I can only imagine he asks you to be his "number one" whore, since you come off as his number one fan.

It is deeply disturbing to watch your endless, clinically obsessive attempts to get others to engage in satanism, but America's a free country. You're free to get down there and pleasure him like the dickens; just don't ask the good-hearted to join you. I will have none of it, now or ever.

By the way, nice try pretending you're anything that remotely resembles a christian, "sucker."

“WOOF !”

Since: Jul 11

Libertarian

#23 Sep 18, 2011
SFer wrote:
If you don't think the Bible is open to interpretation, how do you explain the existence of 250 (+/-) Christian denominations in the US alone?
Each one, except the Unitarian Universalists, thinks the other 249 got it wrong.
I agree. If everyone could agree theologically on everything, there would not be hundreds of Christian denominations. And since some of those denominations allow gay marriage, having the government not offically recognize those marriages is obviously a violation of a couple's First Amendment religious rights.

In addition to that, the Bill Of Rights does not allow the federal government to pick and choose which marriages they "like" and which marriages they "don't like". The Bill Of Rights reserves marriage laws exclusively to the states. Even Justice Scalia, no friend to gay and lesbian Americans, has publicly said that DOMA "is probably unconstitutional".
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#24 Sep 18, 2011
Snickers wrote:
The Bible is very clear - marriage is a man and a woman. Same-sex sexual activity is an abomination. God's love is all-encompassing. He forgives all equally upon repentence. Any attempts to say otherwise are simply refusals to see the truth and attempts to twist things around to agree with the homosexual viewpoint. You may convince yourselves; you may even convince a number of gullible people. None of that matters except that souls will be lost. You will, however, not change the outcome in the final analysis because that requires changing the mind of God.
This would require adherence to and belief in what you say. I call bullshit of the highest order, and I will not waver. So no, I'm not interested in your veiled threats and your harassment; they're meaningless. Your word is an offense to christianity and if you think you're going to tell me what to think, you can go jam that cruficix -- hard -- some more. Ever see the Exorcist? That's what a lot of you false "christians" remind me of, hoping against hope to spread a message of pure, patent and obvious hatred. It's like you have to try to FORCE it on people again and again. I call that an act of rape, and I will not stop. You, too, would be horribly offended and sickened if Muslims or Jews attempted to *literally FORCE* you to adhere to their religion and to adopt it -- and yet you act in ways that would make satan proud.

Your selfishness could not identify you more as a false "christian" if you painted "I suck satan at regular intervals" all over your forehead and cheeks in your own blood. You people have no idea how jaw-droppingly offensive you are, but I encourage everyone who thinks you are to SHOW you just how offensive you are by responding -- offensively -- in kind. It's the only message that gets through your thick, clinically obsessed, rapist skulls.
rdg1234

Mayer, MN

#25 Sep 18, 2011
Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to pursue sexual relationships with minors anymore, especially the pre-teens and younger that they particularly lust after.
Queers are a cancer on society.

“WOOF !”

Since: Jul 11

Libertarian

#26 Sep 18, 2011
rdg1234 wrote:
Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to pursue sexual relationships with minors anymore, especially the pre-teens and younger that they particularly lust after.
Queers are a cancer on society.
So if two 13 year old gayboys want marry each other in New York they shouldn't be allowed to do so ?!(It's perfectly legal for them to do so in New York).
Dr Rusty Corkscrew

Alpharetta, GA

#27 Sep 18, 2011
rdg1234 wrote:
Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to pursue sexual relationships with minors anymore, especially the pre-teens and younger that they particularly lust after.
Queers are a cancer on society.
The symptoms you suffer are those of a pedophile
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If you were a gay person; you would be attracted only to adults
rdg1234

Mayer, MN

#28 Sep 18, 2011
Dr Rusty Corkscrew wrote:
<quoted text>
The symptoms you suffer are those of a pedophile
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If you were a gay person; you would be attracted only to adults
There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of altar boys and scouts that would beg to differ.
Adult queers always infiltrate institutions where there are many children that they can't wait to molest.
Why did Willie Sutton rob banks? That's where the money is.
Snickers

Grove City, PA

#29 Sep 18, 2011
hi hi wrote:
<quoted text>
This would require adherence to and belief in what you say. I call bullshit of the highest order, and I will not waver. So no, I'm not interested in your veiled threats and your harassment; they're meaningless. Your word is an offense to christianity and if you think you're going to tell me what to think, you can go jam that cruficix -- hard -- some more. Ever see the Exorcist? That's what a lot of you false "christians" remind me of, hoping against hope to spread a message of pure, patent and obvious hatred. It's like you have to try to FORCE it on people again and again. I call that an act of rape, and I will not stop. You, too, would be horribly offended and sickened if Muslims or Jews attempted to *literally FORCE* you to adhere to their religion and to adopt it -- and yet you act in ways that would make satan proud.
Your selfishness could not identify you more as a false "christian" if you painted "I suck satan at regular intervals" all over your forehead and cheeks in your own blood. You people have no idea how jaw-droppingly offensive you are, but I encourage everyone who thinks you are to SHOW you just how offensive you are by responding -- offensively -- in kind. It's the only message that gets through your thick, clinically obsessed, rapist skulls.
And your words are absolute proof of a an attempt to hijack Christianity by politically motivated people who are trying to turn Christianity upside down and change the meaning entirely. It simply will not work. You might ,fool some people, but those people want to be fooled.
Moveover, I take your words to heart as evidence that I am on the right side. 1 Peter 4 says:
14 "If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name." I praise God I bear that name.

BTW, just did an interesting search on Bible Gateway. The term "Christian" appears only 5 times in the Bible. The words sin, sins, and sinned appear over 1,400 times. That should give you an idea of which concept if more important. Yet today's lefties, gays included, seem to want to sweep the whole idea of sin right out of the picture.

I think people who read your post and read my post will clearly see which one fits Biblical principles. I suspect you haven't given the idea of sin a thought in quite some time.
Snickers

Grove City, PA

#30 Sep 18, 2011
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
So now you're the self-annointed Holy Puppeteer?
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If you really believe GOD is all-powerful; then he most certainly does not need you pumping HIS lips and putting your words in HIS mouth
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Let GOD do the talking
He already has. I'm just keeping His words in front of people who seem to want them totally disregarded.

“WOOF !”

Since: Jul 11

Libertarian

#31 Sep 18, 2011
rdg1234 wrote:
<quoted text>There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of altar boys and scouts that would beg to differ.
Adult queers always infiltrate institutions where there are many children that they can't wait to molest.
Why did Willie Sutton rob banks? That's where the money is.
Actually most child molesters are str8, not gay.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#32 Sep 18, 2011
Snickers wrote:
<quoted text>
He already has. I'm just keeping His words in front of people who seem to want them totally disregarded.
OH!
.
So Snickers is more powerful than GOD

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#33 Sep 18, 2011
You are closer to being a Taliban member than any kind of "Christian".
Snickers wrote:
<quoted text>
He already has. I'm just keeping His words in front of people who seem to want them totally disregarded.
Dr Rusty Corkscrew

Alpharetta, GA

#34 Sep 18, 2011
rdg1234 wrote:
<quoted text>There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of altar boys and scouts that would beg to differ.
Adult queers always infiltrate institutions where there are many children that they can't wait to molest.
Why did Willie Sutton rob banks? That's where the money is.
Pedophilia is rape; not love
http://www.medicinenet.com/paraphilia/article...
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When you figure out the difference you won't be so confused; po'thang
.
Here are some other forms of paraphilia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphil...
Menton

Lacon, IL

#35 Sep 18, 2011
Dr Rusty Corkscrew wrote:
<quoted text>
Pedophilia is rape; not love
http://www.medicinenet.com/paraphilia/article...
.
When you figure out the difference you won't be so confused; po'thang
.
Here are some other forms of paraphilia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphil...
The priest abuse scandal was over 80% homosexual in nature and primarily involed pederasty, a major focus of homosexuality.
rdg1234

Mayer, MN

#36 Sep 18, 2011
Fred ABQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually most child molesters are str8, not gay.
Per capita, male homosexuals are far more likely to prey sexually on children than any other demographic. Male homosexuals are only .5% of the entire population yet are responsible for about 33% of all cases involving child molestation and rape.
Stereotypes about adult homosexual child molesters exist because they are grounded in fact and history.
Dr Rusty Corkscrew

Alpharetta, GA

#37 Sep 18, 2011
Menton wrote:
<quoted text>The priest abuse scandal was over 80% homosexual in nature and primarily involed pederasty, a major focus of homosexuality.
You're confusing catholic pedophilic ritual sacrifice with secular civil rights
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Churches don't sell marriage licenses
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Marriage licenses are sold by clerks in county courthouses. No religion required
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Judges and Justices of the Peace perform marriages; sometimes for free. Churches have nothing to do with it
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This is to insure the civil right of marriage equality for every American Citizen; Muslim; Fundie; Sikh; Jewish; Christian; catholic; voodoo; mormonizer; wiccan; regardless of their religious affiliation; and including people who live free of religious superstition
.
Its the American Way

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#38 Sep 18, 2011
Provide proof of what you're stating or be proven wrong. This site clearly tells us you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG:

http://www.robincmiller.com/gayles4.htm

From the article: <<In 1978 psychologist Nicholas Groth screened 175 men who had been convicted in Massachusetts of sexual molestation of children and referred by a court for psychological evaluation. He found not a single gay man in this sample. Every one of the perpetrators was either an exclusive heterosexual, a bisexual with a predominantly heterosexual orientation, or a fixated pedophile with no sexual interest in adults.[4]

His conclusion? That "the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male."

In the same year, researcher David Newton reviewed the scientific literature and found no reason to believe that anything other than a "random connection" existed between homosexual orientation and child molestation.[5]

Later research has confirmed these findings:

In 1988, renowned sex researcher Kurt Freund at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto studied two groups of paid volunteers and found that gay men responded no more to male child stimuli than heterosexual men responded to female child stimuli.[6] He later described as a "myth" the notion that gay men are more likely than straight men to be child molesters.[7]
In 1992, alarmed over claims made during a campaign for an anti-gay state constitutional amendment in Colorado, two physicians reviewed every case of suspected child molestation evaluated at Children's Hospital in Denver over a one-year period. Of the 269 cases determined to involve molestation by an adult, only two of the perpetrators could be identified as gay or lesbian. The researchers concluded that the risk of child sexual abuse by an identifiably gay or lesbian person was between zero and 3.1%, and that the risk of such abuse by the heterosexual partner of a relative was over 100 times greater.[8]>>
rdg1234 wrote:
<quoted text>Per capita, male homosexuals are far more likely to prey sexually on children than any other demographic. Male homosexuals are only .5% of the entire population yet are responsible for about 33% of all cases involving child molestation and rape.
Stereotypes about adult homosexual child molesters exist because they are grounded in fact and history.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#39 Sep 18, 2011
How inordinately bizarre that "rdg1234" suddenly exists in a vastly different location from that poster's norm, and is suddenly a "multiple personality" who has magically turned anti-gay.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#40 Sep 18, 2011
Snickers wrote:
<quoted text>
And your words are absolute proof of a an attempt to hijack Christianity by politically motivated people who are trying to turn Christianity upside down and change the meaning entirely.
No; your "absolute proof" is an absolute insistence that everyone must live by your rules and your dictates. Know what?
Snickers wrote:
It simply will not work.
Know what? I can *promise you* it won't work. You will not tell me or anyone else how to live, and that's that. If you can't get that point through your thick skull, I *will* reinforce it by doing whatever I wish, and you *will not* stop me, the end.

There is no discussion here. There's no back and forth; you have zero leverage. You do not tell others what to do, the end. Stop acting like the victim when your false, rapist version of "christianity" is committing the acts of rape, or you *will* be called out on those acts repetitively and endlessly, the end.
Snickers wrote:
You might ,fool some people, but those people want to be fooled.
Right, because your obsession and your "belief" constantly and unendingly dictate to you *no matter what* that you are "right" unless the other person agrees with what you say.

I am calling bullshit from me to you and I am not asking for your goddamn permission; I am *telling* you you are full of shit and do *not* get to tell others what to do. If you don't believe me, try them. Get your false "religion" out of everyone's face or they have every right under the United States constitution to continue to attack you back for your falsehoods and your evil, the end.
Snickers wrote:
Moveover, I take your words to heart as evidence that I am on the right side.
Of course demons or satanists would say this. I have zero interest in your attempts to justify yourself to me.
Snickers wrote:
1 Peter 4 says:
14 "If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name." I praise God I bear that name.
Yes,*everything* about your "belief" system endlessly insists that you are correct. I am not discussing this with you; I am *telling you* you are not because I *see people like you* picking and choosing. You break commandments, you destroy the lives of children, and yet it's all "OK" in your book. You people are obsessed filth, because *I* can bear witness to the damage you have done.

You can quote "the bible" all day; it changes not a whit of what I say. OF COURSE the devil would defend his work, you joke.
Snickers wrote:
BTW, just did an interesting search on Bible Gateway. The term "Christian" appears only 5 times in the Bible. The words sin, sins, and sinned appear over 1,400 times. That should give you an idea of which concept if more important. Yet today's lefties, gays included, seem to want to sweep the whole idea of sin right out of the picture.
No, they want to and *can* and *will* live their lives as they see fit, and you *will not* have any say in the matter. It floors me that you think you're "revelatory" or "correct" when I watch you people raping the lives of children and adults and destroying families like Nazis. NOTHING you say will convince me of your inherent evil, and NOTHING you have said here budges me one bit ...

... just like you behave.

But you don't like it when it's directed at you, do you?

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