Churches speak up on gay marriage

Sep 18, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News Observer

Does the Bible dictate that marriage is a union between a man and a woman and that homosexuality is an abomination? Or is the Bible open to interpretation, and is God's love all-encompassing? The conversation begins in the pews this morning, religious leaders say.

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Frank Stanton

Omaha, NE

#1 Sep 18, 2011
why are you asking questions about what a bug cult thinks? that's like talking physics with a retard.

Since: Dec 07

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#2 Sep 18, 2011
If you don't think the Bible is open to interpretation, how do you explain the existence of 250 (+/-) Christian denominations in the US alone?

Each one, except the Unitarian Universalists, thinks the other 249 got it wrong.
Intrepid

Cold Spring Harbor, NY

#3 Sep 18, 2011
The bible is an antiquated document written by primitive people more than 2,000 years ago.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#4 Sep 18, 2011
Its time to relocate the Democratic National Convention out of the Hate State
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There is no sense in funneling millions into Charlotte to fatten the enemy's warchest
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#5 Sep 18, 2011
SFer wrote:
If you don't think the Bible is open to interpretation, how do you explain the existence of 250 (+/-) Christian denominations in the US alone?
Each one, except the Unitarian Universalists, thinks the other 249 got it wrong.
Approximately 40 of those denominations have printed up their own versions of the 'bible' to better support their individual takes on fundamentalist superstition
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/12/9811...
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#6 Sep 18, 2011
Lets let GOD himself speak up on gay marraige
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Step 1: The souls of two people become knit as one
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1 Samuel 18:1> And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
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Step 2: We make a covenant with God as our witness
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1 Samuel 18:3> Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. 18:4> And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
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Step 3: We swap seed to consummate our marriage
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1 Samuel 20:41> And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 20:42> And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the LORD, saying, The LORD be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city.
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Step 4: Our marriage is permanent until, by death, we are parted
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2 Samuel 1:25> How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. 1:26> I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
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Since: Dec 07

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#7 Sep 18, 2011
Yes, that's true, too.
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Approximately 40 of those denominations have printed up their own versions of the 'bible' to better support their individual takes on fundamentalist superstition
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/12/9811...

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#8 Sep 18, 2011
Who cares what 'the bible' says or doesn't say about gay marriage?! That spurious collection of anonymous writings has as little relevance on relationships today as Hammurabbi's Code has on protecting copyright of digital files!

Why don't we rather consult classics such as Homer's Iliad about gay marriage?-- that work at least acknowledges that gay relationships existed and were honored among early human civilizations ... long before the Paulist christians arrived on the scene with their ridiculous notions and narrow views!
mainelygay

Biddeford, ME

#9 Sep 18, 2011
Rainbow Kid wrote:
Its time to relocate the Democratic National Convention out of the Hate State
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There is no sense in funneling millions into Charlotte to fatten the enemy's warchest
Thank-you! I thought the same thing myself. Why would you spend your money in that state?
Leo

Lacon, IL

#10 Sep 18, 2011
It is preposterous to claim that the Bible's repeatedly commands against all homosexual are 'open to interpretation.' They are VERY CLEARLY stated in the PLAINEST of language:

Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9(NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Jude 1:6-7 (NASB)- And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
Snickers

Grove City, PA

#11 Sep 18, 2011
The Bible is very clear - marriage is a man and a woman. Same-sex sexual activity is an abomination. God's love is all-encompassing. He forgives all equally upon repentence. Any attempts to say otherwise are simply refusals to see the truth and attempts to twist things around to agree with the homosexual viewpoint. You may convince yourselves; you may even convince a number of gullible people. None of that matters except that souls will be lost. You will, however, not change the outcome in the final analysis because that requires changing the mind of God.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#12 Sep 18, 2011
Leo wrote:
It is preposterous to claim that the Bible's repeatedly commands against all homosexual are 'open to interpretation.' They are VERY CLEARLY stated in the PLAINEST of language:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9(NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Jude 1:6-7 (NASB)- And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
Here are the rules for 2011
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.pdf

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#13 Sep 18, 2011
Frank Stanton wrote:
why are you asking questions about what a bug cult thinks? that's like talking physics with a retard.
If all the Atheists left America 97% of all scientists would leave and 1% of all people incarcerated in our prisons would leave as well.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#14 Sep 18, 2011
SFer wrote:
If you don't think the Bible is open to interpretation, how do you explain the existence of 250 (+/-) Christian denominations in the US alone?
Each one, except the Unitarian Universalists, thinks the other 249 got it wrong.
JESUS: I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.... And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 10: 14, 16

ALAN: There certainly is more than one fold: 25,000 and growing. Christians make Jesus out to be a liar. Espcecially that Con-artist La Con from Lacon Il. Jesus says one shepherd and one fold. What a hoax!

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#15 Sep 18, 2011
Intrepid wrote:
The bible is an antiquated document written by primitive people more than 2,000 years ago.
Indeed, an ancient Jewish Puppet Play. And just think, the mentally unbalanced use this to tell them about homosexuality.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#16 Sep 18, 2011
Snickers wrote:
The Bible is very clear - marriage is a man and a woman. Same-sex sexual activity is an abomination. God's love is all-encompassing. He forgives all equally upon repentence. Any attempts to say otherwise are simply refusals to see the truth and attempts to twist things around to agree with the homosexual viewpoint. You may convince yourselves; you may even convince a number of gullible people. None of that matters except that souls will be lost. You will, however, not change the outcome in the final analysis because that requires changing the mind of God.
So now you're the self-annointed Holy Puppeteer?
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If you really believe GOD is all-powerful; then he most certainly does not need you pumping HIS lips and putting your words in HIS mouth
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Let GOD do the talking

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#17 Sep 18, 2011
Umninimuzi wrote:
Who cares what 'the bible' says or doesn't say about gay marriage?! That spurious collection of anonymous writings has as little relevance on relationships today as Hammurabbi's Code has on protecting copyright of digital files!
Why don't we rather consult classics such as Homer's Iliad about gay marriage?-- that work at least acknowledges that gay relationships existed and were honored among early human civilizations ... long before the Paulist christians arrived on the scene with their ridiculous notions and narrow views!
Good idea. The Bible is totally useless, although there are plenty of janitors around trying to clean it up and make it acceptable to gay people; I say there is nothing worth saving in the Bible.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#18 Sep 18, 2011
Snickers wrote:
The Bible is very clear - marriage is a man and a woman. Same-sex sexual activity is an abomination. God's love is all-encompassing. He forgives all equally upon repentence. Any attempts to say otherwise are simply refusals to see the truth and attempts to twist things around to agree with the homosexual viewpoint. You may convince yourselves; you may even convince a number of gullible people. None of that matters except that souls will be lost. You will, however, not change the outcome in the final analysis because that requires changing the mind of God.
And since there is no God, the Universe will continue to do what it has always done, which is maintain itself. No need for God unless you are delusional and mentally unbalanced as is La Con from Lacon IL.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#19 Sep 18, 2011
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
So now you're the self-annointed Holy Puppeteer?
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If you really believe GOD is all-powerful; then he most certainly does not need you pumping HIS lips and putting your words in HIS mouth
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Let GOD do the talking
GOD:[1 Peter 4:15], But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

ALAN: All of the KKKristian homophobes who visit this group and post their homophobia are busybodies in other men's matters. Their God tells them not to be here and instead of listening to their God [the Bible] they continue on as they please in direct violation of guiding biblical principles; in other words they give God the finger and do as they please, all the while demanding that homosexuals obey those 6 verses that La Con from Lacon Il posts over and over again, like someone would bother to read them, let along take any of them seriously.
Equality Forever

Casa Grande, AZ

#20 Sep 18, 2011
The churches need to be taxed. They are working with politicians, making their beliefs into laws. The law is clear on this. They are breaking the law and need to pay taxes. They seem to have an endless supply of money to spend on anti gay issues. The millions of dollars they spend on this could feed the poor and help the needy. The bible was written by man, not a god. Religious people are hateful control freaks, when is this country going to wake up and realize this. Who cares if two men or woman wants to marry. How does this affect anybodies life?
Why don't these so called Christians preach and do what their Jesus would do, and help the less fortunate and spread love and compassion. What a bunch of crazy hypocrites they are.

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