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concerned Redding Ca

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#62 Jul 26, 2010
Check out business and Professions code section 490-494 and read very carefully the wording in code section 2761 (f) 2762 (b)(c) the BRN's statutory provisions for disciplinary actions.
Mrs J

Glendale, AZ

#63 Jul 28, 2010
There are Nurses who write up a Nurse at every job they have had. The state board protects the person who makes the complaint. This has opened the door for evil Nurses to destroy anyone they feel angry at and want revenge. It is appauling at the lack of investigation and lack of justice. Nurses who complain for there own evil gratitude should be fined heavily. The board has ruined the lives of many great Nurses. The board is aware of these serial complaints from an individual. Shame on the board for allowing this to continue and encouraging such behavior by not investigating cases appropriately.
Elizabeth

Glendale, AZ

#64 Jul 28, 2010
Mrs J wrote:
There are Nurses who write up a Nurse at every job they have had. The state board protects the person who makes the complaint. This has opened the door for evil Nurses to destroy anyone they feel angry at and want revenge. It is appauling at the lack of investigation and lack of justice. Nurses who complain for there own evil gratitude should be fined heavily. The board has ruined the lives of many great Nurses. The board is aware of these serial complaints from an individual. Shame on the board for allowing this to continue and encouraging such behavior by not investigating cases appropriately.
Hope you are enjoying your summer in Alaska. Happy to hear you retired from your VA Job in Alaska. Thankyou for your support
stephanie

Whitestown, IN

#65 Aug 17, 2010
concerned citizen wrote:
The BRN's area of responsibility and job is to enforce the Nurse Paractice Act and to "protect the public for which the license was issued" Check out Business and professions code section 490-494.
Disciplinary actions can be imposed if the offense substantially relates to the qualifications, functions or duties of the RN under his/her license. Is to protect the public, the "public" being the paitents or clients while functioning under the capacity of your license, not first offense DUI in your own time. I have reputable 22 year work history in the medical field. Anyone with a similar case wanting to attest the discipline please leave a post and contact info.
I am in a similiar situation. I have been an RN for ten years and never been in any trouble until i got a dui. my email address is [email protected] I don't think this right, I had a bad reaction to soma. Now they are making me go to AA and NA meetings and taking random drug screens and all this stuff for two years. They want me to admit I am an addict and I am not. They made me have a psychological evaluation and even he said I did not have a problem with drugs or alcohol. I don't know what to do. Please contact me
NurseAttorney

Las Vegas, NV

#66 Aug 17, 2010
As a nurse attorney who practices in California and Nevada, I have found that in recent years the nursing Boards are getting very aggressive with even first time DUIs. I suggest you consult an attorney who handles nursing board related cases. You can find a nurse attorney in your state on the American Association of Nurse Attorneys website: www.taana.org . Most nurses complain that they can't afford an attorney, but they also don't consider the long-term costs of being enrolled in an alcohol/drug program for years that may not be needed and could have been avoided if they had adequate legal representation. Speaking as a nurse and an attorney, I think it's penny wise and pound foolish for a nurse to try and defend their license on their own without the help of a lawyer.
Also, many nurses don't realize that their professional liability insurance may cover the cost of an attorney. It's one of the great benefits of having your own liability insurance. NSO/CNA now pays up to $25,000 for legal fees related to protecting your license (either with the board or in a malpractice action.). All nurses should have their own liability insurance for this reason alone - well worth the cost of $100/year.
concerned Redding Ca

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#67 Aug 18, 2010
Hey Stephanie, sounds like you have already accepted the discipline.
I am still in the process..I have attended the hearing and have received the propossed decision from the administrative law judge. The judge found me to be honest and not possessing an addiction, however the Board has the final say. I am currently awaiting the decision from the Board. I do have the right to appeal it. In fact I have found a lawyer who has won a case for an RN. The post from the RN attorney is absolutely correct! If this happens to you, seek council!! We are often very intimidated by the one who holds our livlihood in there hands, and will back down and take it.
There is hope. The cost of the discilpline is great, both emotionally and financially. Must weigh out the burden and forge ahead! In your case, the decision has been made and accepted. I am not sure what your ability to contest it now would be. Do contact a Business and Administrative law attorney. I have found many who have experience with Board licensures. They will give you advice on the phone. See if you have any recourse.
stephanie wrote:
<quoted text>I am in a similiar situation. I have been an RN for ten years and never been in any trouble until i got a dui. my email address is [email protected] I don't think this right, I had a bad reaction to soma. Now they are making me go to AA and NA meetings and taking random drug screens and all this stuff for two years. They want me to admit I am an addict and I am not. They made me have a psychological evaluation and even he said I did not have a problem with drugs or alcohol. I don't know what to do. Please contact me
Amy RN

Westland, MI

#68 Aug 26, 2010
I lost my Nursing License 4 years ago. I had an alchol problem and I voluntarily went into treatment for 2 weeks... nothing work related--personal/marriage. While in treatment I was visited by an employee who offered a "Health Proffessional Recovery Program" stating that AA only had a 6 pct. recovery rate vs. a 93 pct. recovery rate fot the state program....I jumped at it. What wasn't explained to me was that if I didn't complete all areas of the program I would be reported to the state of michigan. Well I lost my insurance and couldn't afford the drug screens, addictionist and private therapy once a week. I went to the NSG board armed with letters from sponsor, people from meetings attesting to the fact that I had been clean for nearly 4 years. The board denied my request because I didn't have a nurse refresher course under my belt...even though I has 84 CE's to show. I asked for a re-hearing but was denied because I had "nothing new to present" Had I known now what I have learned from the previous threads I would have hired an attorney. Also, in Michigan you can only re-apply once a year. I doubt I will bother with it again. It is just sad to think that many patients have lost a caring and competent nurse due to the BON being rediculous and not wanting to get off their butts and do some homework. DENIED...check. Next....
NurseAttorney

San Diego, CA

#69 Aug 28, 2010
Amy, I know how discouraging and frustrating it can be when the BON follows form over substance. I can't tell you the number of stories I've heard about ridiculous decisions made by BON, usually when the nurse doesn't have an attorney to challenge them. I hope you do re-apply when you can because we need nurses like you.
concerned Redding Ca

AOL

#70 Aug 29, 2010
It is hard for me to understand the discipline that the BRN can impose when a person has gotten a DUI. Especially when there is no foundation of an abuse problem and the person has an excellent work history. Are they inforce to protect the public as a whole or just the public as related to the licensure? I am having a hard time seeing how it is substantially related to the "qualifications, functions and duties" The criminal justice system does an effective job of disciplining the recipient of a DUI.
Anonymous

Bay City, MI

#71 Oct 7, 2010
kali4551 wrote:
I will retain a lawyer/representation. I am glad that I found this site. It seems like when your nursing license is taken you have no other options.
Hello my Name is Mark M. I am a Registered Nurse of 12 years and wanted some advise on what to do? Over the past 8 years I have been subjected to Employment termination and refusal ,ridicule, embarrassment, and shame. This issue has prevented me from finding suitable work in the profession I have chosen.I have lost my job, my home, my car, and placed me in bankruptcy. I have been receiving food stamps for 3 months with no money benefits or medical insurance . I was a prominent RN team leader in the ER for 8 years in my home town and 4 years in a different city. The complaints have taken away my ability to provide for myself and family ,and have discredited my reputation and name. I have never had a blemish or poor remark on my work record history. The issue was not related to work and there was no actual risk or jeopardy to the public. This was supported by an Administrative Law Judge in the State of Michigan in an office of Administrative Hearings and rules in June 2007.
> > > > On June 6, 2006, my Nursing license was suspended after the Nursing Subcommittee charged me with violations of 3 Public Health Codes. Violations over regular working hours, which were approved and on record. Eventually closing my case with HPRP. On June 22, 2006, an Order Dissolving Summary Suspension was issued. On June, 27, An Administrative Hearing was held in front of an Administrative Law Judge. The Administrative Law Judge Proposed Decision to The State of Michigan Community Health Bureau of Health professions and the Board of Nursing was to dismiss the Administrative Complaint. The Judge concluded , based on record evidence and Testimony , that petitioner has not established a violation of Section 16221(a), 16221(b), or 16221(b)(iii). The Petitioner did not present any witnesses at the hearing to support allegations in Administrative Complaint. The Bureau failed to prove the circumstances behind the closure of Mark Millers file for noncompliance. The Assistant Attorney General urged in her exceptions to the proposal for decision issued by Judge Van Steel that the disciplinary subcommittee should reject the ALJ's findings. The recommendation by the Assistant General seeks a finding that was speculative and not based upon any evidence in the administrative record. The Findings made by the Board were inappropriate and contrary to law and due process. There was no record evidence to support the allegation.
> > > > On June 27, 2007 the State of Michigan Department of Community Health Board of Nursing Disciplinary Subcommittee entered their finding of Facts. They rejected in part the findings of fact and rejected the conclusion of law contained in the proposal for Decision. The Nursing disciplinary found me in violation of Public Health Codes 16221(a) and 16221(b). Ordered my license to practice Nursing on probation and into Sanction monitoring. The Board accepted the AG's Physician ordered evaluation, who was not called on to testify by the State or was subject to cross examination by respondent. The ALJ did consider Attorney Generals Dr's eval Report and Dr's determination was that respondent could safely practice nursing. In fact, the ALJ impliedly rejected some of the information and conclusions in the report by the Board. The Board of Nursing substituted findings which had no basis in evidence or testimony in the record. Before the hearing began, the parties signed a Stipulation of Facts, which was made part of the record. The bureau did not arrange for testimony of any witness form HPRP or from Dr Brooks.
Amy RN

Royal Oak, MI

#72 Oct 7, 2010
NurseAttorney wrote:
Amy, I know how discouraging and frustrating it can be when the BON follows form over substance. I can't tell you the number of stories I've heard about ridiculous decisions made by BON, usually when the nurse doesn't have an attorney to challenge them. I hope you do re-apply when you can because we need nurses like you.
Thank you. I'm a great nurse but can't see ever re-applying...I'm tired of it all....I've done more then enough to meet their requirements but it will never be enough );
nurse 100

Newburyport, MA

#73 Oct 20, 2010
what are some of you considering to do after nursing?Any advice?
Annjeanette Gay

United States

#74 Nov 1, 2010
Im in Ohio, and had my licensed revoked for helping other and what I will hold on dear that I did the right thing..MY problem is that with over 10years of experience in the field I am basically unemployable in any other field which makes it an issue 2 have the money in order to take the class to get my license back..The field that I love and love to do..I find out could give a fuq about me...
Michigan Provider

Holland, MI

#75 Nov 5, 2010
I came to this board looking for advice and maybe gather some experiences of others that have had to deal with the Board of Nursing specifically Michigan. I have been a health care provider since 1995 as a Paramedic and have sadly found that the field of Nursing holds its share of pitfalls put in place that result in professional licensing. I can only assume some of these pitfalls are placed by individuals just lurking to see a new nurse fail. A complaint filed is subject to questionable investigation techniques and built upon a platter assumed to be guilty from the beginning. Who oversees that the Board is conducting practice per policies? So many unanswered questions and a continued come back to a lack of understanding for some of the things that go down. I hope that the bad nurses are caught- but how many good ones are bieng taken down to get the few bad ones while other bad ones lurk.
Rita Lawrence

United States

#76 Nov 13, 2010
I am very interested in documenting your complaints and meeting with senators. Please email me at [email protected] I have traversed the waters and know what lays beneath the surface! Sharks!! I can be a mentor and assist you to get legal counsel. I will pray for you. There is no need to be afraid of them because they are nothing but petty tyrants! I AM BEHIND YOU TOTALLY! Unless we stand up one by one this bullying will go on and on.
Rita Lawrence

United States

#77 Nov 13, 2010
Former Nurse wrote:
See www.advocatefornurses.typepad.com . There is a nurse attorney who blogs about these kinds of issues.
Only question I have is with a RN JD there is a conflict of interest in representing your case with a nursing board.
NurseAttorney

Las Vegas, NV

#78 Nov 13, 2010
As long as the nurse attorney is representing her client's interests and not those of the nursing board there is no conflict of interest in a nurse attorney representing a nurse before the nursing board. In fact, I believe my 12 years of clinical experience, combined with my 17 years experience as a lawyer allows me to be a much better advocate for my nursing clients because unlike most attorneys, I have the unique ability to know and understand the challenges and working conditions faced by nurses.

“Nurses undergoing state board.”

Since: Nov 10

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#82 Nov 13, 2010
jessie walker RN wrote:
Thank you so much Kenny I am having the exact same problem. The DA in Oakland has informed me I will be expected to be on trial on March 28th 08. I live in Texas now my finances are the worst, and the nurse who brought these accusations against me did so out of spite. I really wish now I had kissed her ass like my co-workers told me to. I just cannot believe this got so out of control and now my livelihood is in jeporady. Let me know how it goes for you. I have even been getting letters from law firms in the Bay area who specialize in nursing malpractice. Do I need a lawyer? How did they even know about this? Every time the Oakland DA left messages for me I would cry and think What The F---. Anyhow, I understand the reason the Board needs to keep the public safe but I've been Sober since Jan 20, 1985 and I'm still very active in my Taxas Group. I'm really scared and I'm pissed to. I worked so hard to be a Nurse and it sure is different than anything I thought it would be. I'm calling the board tomorrow and hopefully they will be able to tell me what this Trial will entail. Thanks again and God Bless Jessie Walker. 2-18-08
I know that you have been through a lot and it's quite some time since the date you mentioned for the trial in Oakland. Let me know what happened. I am interested in gathering information and talking to Senators about the problems nurses face.

“Nurses undergoing state board.”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#85 Nov 13, 2010
Maggie-AZ wrote:
Going to the board hearings are more than just an eye opener. It is scary that our lives,livleyhoods are deteremined by them,many not very educated.And the subjective way they punish you-there is no guidelines I can see that should be in place. There was a guy who gave a speech before me ,he was asking for early release from probation.His crime: 10 yrs ago he lived in another state. After high school grad he received a DUI.He did all the steps expected of him..MAAD etc and decided to get his life together. He went to nursing scool, had a job where he was well respected and never had another bit of trouble.Until he moved to AZ. He was put on probation for that long ago DUI. In his speech he told the above,he married,bought a house, was a settled family man with no trouble,exc reports from former employer...The board deliberated briefly and said to him (which I think is close to diagnosing, which we all know we cant do!)" Mr So&So- we believe you might still be an alcoholic, and just havent acknowledged it yet,probation denied" My jaw hit the floor.
My own story is long and unfair and I'm still fighting to the death. But... Did anyone hear about a new board member elected in maybe Colorado or Texas. She started looking thru past records and how judgements were handed down, usually not fiiting to the infraction. She was turned away sev times by the Governor but eventually he/she gave in and all the cases for several years were reviewed and a large majority were thrown out-as well as the board members. We need someone or a group like that to vindicate those of us torn up and spit out by out board.
Sorry, but I get passionate about this and cant shut up! Who knows, maybe it will be me. Good luck and thanks for listening! M
Hi friend,
I have read your story and feel your passion and know that we can get things changed if we stand we stand firm together. Please contact me at [email protected]
Regards, Rita
PeaceBWithYou

Kapaa, HI

#86 Nov 16, 2010
Hi! I came across this website and am hoping that someone can give me some insight and opinions. I was given a "sentence" of probation for 3 years in MO six years ago for diversion, which I fully admitted to, it was actually a God Send that I did, my life is totally different now, I have been drug free since the incident in 2003. I immediately stopped practicing nursing and went through an addiction specialist...at the time, I was living in another state, which is where I was temporarily licensed to work, waiting on perm, which is why MO ended up doing the discipline case. Any who, After it taking MO over a year to review and make their decisions, I was a rock bottom and had zero funds to adhere to their insane requirements of weekly UA's, ongoing psych evals, etc, as I said before, I did all of this already initially, but MO counted NONE of it..I guess because it was done before I was officially charged. SO, I decided to surrender my license. I moved to another state with my family and simply haven't worked or tried to work in the healthcare field since. When I surrendered, the MO Atty Gen, said I could reapply for my license in five years, which is what my contract said for probation, either I can do their three year stips, or surrender and reapply in five years. My question is, I want to reapply, but I'm not sure how to answer the questions on the examination (have to retake boards because it's been so many years, which is no problem), they ask if I've been disciplined in the past five years, and I haven't, but I was before that. I'm wondering will they reinstate me after I take my boards since I waited out the time and didn't do their probation, or will they require I do the probationary terms as before? I surrendered because I couldn't afford to do them in the first place...I am hoping I can reapply free and clear since I waited out my time. Any opinions or info is greatly appreciated.

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