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in the margin
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Yeah, it must be tough living with 100 percent paid health insurance and a pension...
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John Madrid
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The more they get........the more they want. Hope the hospital dumps them all and starts over again.
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Local MD
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The current hospital retirement plan does not allow an employee to leave with full benefits until age 65, no matter how long they have worked there. When they do retire, a nurse who has spent a career their will get around $700 a month from CH to supplement SS. Most nurses now have college degrees and a fair number have masters degrees. They work 24/7 and assume huge responsibility....peoples' lives. A school teacher can retire after 30 years of work and get around 75% of their salary in retirement pay forever. The discrepancy between the way these two groups is treated in retirement by society is huge.
Routinely we are told of the difficulty in staffing hospitals with nurses. Not a surprise. They work around the clock every day of the year. They are in there watching over peoples' lives when none of the highly paid administrative folks are in sight. The work has become very sophisticated in recent years. They watch and review much technical data and make many key decisions. Nurses deserve substantially more than they get in pay and deserve a much better retirment plan than the current one.
To me the issue as to whether the nurses get a defined benefit plan or a contribution plan is not the key issue. The key issue is to get them a retirment plan commensurate with the work and responsibility they assume throughout their lives...and that is currently not the case. The retirement plan for the CEO and other high level administrators there is terrific. The Summit Board should be embarrassed at the history of the nurses' retirement plans over the years at CH.
If the hospital does not substantially increase the nurses retirment plan, regardless of type, the nurses should do whatever it takes to finally get justice on this point. They have had the screws put to them for a long time at CH.
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Brownie
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The hospital employees have the "best" medical plan in the area, as well as the best of all benefits in the area. The hospital employees are among the highest paid health care employees in the area. The hospital employees are among the very few people who enjoy a fixed pension plan in the area. The hospital employees are among the most "out of touch" employees in the area when it comes to working in the real world. The hospital employees need to understand they will get very little support from the residents in the area. The hospital employees need to abandon the efforts of an elite few in power of their union and accept a very fair contract.
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The Bonz
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I hope they get what they want. All of them have families to, just because there in a union that fights for them we should all be so lucky GO FOR IT.
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CburgIsFullOfCom plainers
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Does someone have to make $8/hr at a picker/packer job to be considered in the "real world" around here? I'm not in the health care field, but come on, you guys bash anyone who seems to have bettered themselves in any way. The teachers are constantly condemned as evil and overpaid, and having too many benefits, now you say the same for the hospital employees.
I've asked this a hundred times before, and yet no answer: If they make too much, and get too many benefits, what exactly is "fair" pay and "fair" benefits in your eyes that you think they should receive for that particular job? This goes for teachers/health care employees/politicians/police/y ou fill in the blank. I honestly think that anyone that makes more than $10/hr around here will always be villified, and it's really unfortunate.
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Local MD
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Brownie wrote: The hospital employees have the "best" medical plan in the area, as well as the best of all benefits in the area. The hospital employees are among the highest paid health care employees in the area. The hospital employees are among the very few people who enjoy a fixed pension plan in the area. The hospital employees are among the most "out of touch" employees in the area when it comes to working in the real world. The hospital employees need to understand they will get very little support from the residents in the area. The hospital employees need to abandon the efforts of an elite few in power of their union and accept a very fair contract. FICTION!
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Other MD
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There are no physicians who provide DB plans to their nurses in their offices. There retirement benefits are far worse than the hospital. This hospital has a great package!
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j and j
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If you don't like the pay plan, drive to Gettysburg, Hagerstown, Carlisle, Harrisburg, or somewhere else. Were you not aware of the compensation and retirement plans when you started working there?
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Molly R
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j and j wrote: If you don't like the pay plan, drive to Gettysburg, Hagerstown, Carlisle, Harrisburg, or somewhere else. Were you not aware of the compensation and retirement plans when you started working there? You make a very interesting point. Yes, hospital workers can walk. They may be able to go to Hagerstown, Carlisle, Gettysburg, or Harrisburg and make more money. But please remember one thing. When you or your family are sitting in the hospital bed hitting the button and no one is able to answer you because the few that have stayed are too busy, please don't write an angry letter to the P.O. saying how you were forlorn and forgotten in your hospital bed. You can walk too. You go somewhere else for treatment and pay more. I'm sure the hospital workers around here won't miss you. ~Think before you speak~
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CburgIsFullOfCom plainers
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j and j wrote: Were you not aware of the compensation and retirement plans when you started working there? That's part of the problem. They DID know the retirement plan that was provided when they started, and the hospital is trying to yank it out from under any of them that aren't 60 or have certain age/years of service combos that would virtually exclude most of the workers under 45. I'd be careful about creating an environment that many people would want to walk from. For the health care industry you can't use the same argument that so many use for say, teachers (if you don't like the pay, leave! We have plenty of new grads that are eager to take your place!). There is a shortage of medical workers, and if you invite them all to walk to go to Hagerstown, Gettysburg, Harrisburg, etc., who will you have then? You'd simply have a bunch of local yokles self medicating with Dr. Jack Daniels I guess!
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Beatrice
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All hospital employees work hard and from what I see the work is demanding. However, there is no doubt in my mind that the hospital provides outstanding benefits and pays their employees well. I have a 401K and my employer matches…nothing wrong with that for retirement!
So, hey Local MD what do you provide your office staff by way of pension, benefits and wages? Maybe I’ll change jobs.
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CburgIsFullOfCom plainers
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Beatrice wrote: I have a 401K and my employer matches…nothing wrong with that for retirement! I also have 401k w/matching, so I do agree with you to a point. I think that it would be perfectly acceptable for the hospital to state that anyone hired after the new contract starts will be covered under a 401k system, however those that went to work under the promise of this benefit, should not have it ripped away now.
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Anon
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"j and j wrote:
If you don't like the pay plan, drive to Gettysburg, Hagerstown, Carlisle, Harrisburg, or somewhere else. Were you not aware of the compensation and retirement plans when you started working there?"
Actually, nurshing from those areas as well as over the Mountain drive all the way to Chambersburg Hopsital because the pay and benefits are so good. Hagerstown is having difficulties staffing and the new graduates want to drive to Chambersburg. In spite of the local tax. However, the new younger staff want a 401 so they have control over their own retirement and if they leave after ten years, they can take it with them. To put 20 years in and have to move to another area and lose your retirement is not acceptable. 401 as with most major companies.
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Pa RN
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in the margin wrote: Yeah, it must be tough living with 100 percent paid health insurance and a pension... Employees at chambersburg hospital do not have 100% paid insurance. When I worked there as an RN, I paid a premium bi-weekly. It was a lower premium than some, I guess, but it's not fair to make claims about the benefits that aren't true.
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ickyyack
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LOL ... welcome to the Real World.
Cosnider yourself nowadays, if you even HAVE a 401 or individual retirement account.
They sound pretty spoiled to me.
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ickyyack
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Oh yes:
"Most nurses now have college degrees and a fair number have masters degrees. They work 24/7..."
And, many do NOT!(I don't know too many nurses working "24/7" Dear Doctor ...).
Your profession is no better than anyone else's.
You put on your pants just like the rest of us.
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peanutbrittle
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Hey I want a free health club/gym membership (at Results, interestingly enough, owned and run BY the Hospital), just like the high and mighty management folks at CH have.
That's worth about a grand a year right there for any working family.
That's just one of many goodies these folks receive.
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wife
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Brownie wrote: The hospital employees have the "best" medical plan in the area, as well as the best of all benefits in the area. The hospital employees are among the highest paid health care employees in the area. The hospital employees are among the very few people who enjoy a fixed pension plan in the area. The hospital employees are among the most "out of touch" employees in the area when it comes to working in the real world. The hospital employees need to understand they will get very little support from the residents in the area. The hospital employees need to abandon the efforts of an elite few in power of their union and accept a very fair contract. You do not know what you are talking about. For a Health Care facility Chambersburg Hospital has the worse Health Insurance program. At one time it was good but recent changes have made it shameful. Grove has a better Insurance program. An employee with over 20 years of service at the Chambersburg Hospital gets less pay than an employee with 3 years of service at Groves. With remarks like this it sounds like the PUBLIC are the most out of touch!!!!! Get your facts before sounding off. The best way to do this would be talk to a Hospital Employee
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wife
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in the margin wrote: Yeah, it must be tough living with 100 percent paid health insurance and a pension... I know for a fact it is not a 100% paid health plan I have the bills to prove it.
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