Group wants public transportation back on the road in Chambersburg

A community group is taking a serious look at public transit for Chambersburg. "I'd like to see something come together this year, at least to the point where we can make a decision," said Paul Cullinane, a ... Full Story
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momma of 3

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Jun 17, 2008
I think it would be great to bring transit to franklin county
Paul

New Castle, DE

#2 Jun 17, 2008
Let's wait for the "shoes to fall" regarding fundng. Who'll subsidize the transport system? Will the burden be put on all Chambersburg taxpayers to benefit a small number of riders? Who are the special interests?
NoBlinders

Barnegat, NJ

#3 Jun 17, 2008
They managed to go millions of dollars in debt with the last transportation fiasco, what has changed? I'm sure with their experience they can loose the money even faster this time around.
anon

Chambersburg, PA

#4 Jun 17, 2008
look, this is a great idea. but it will never work. public transportation will never work in this area because things are too far away from each other. that means you have to have a much larger coverage area that would serve fewer people. it's just an economically possible.
Brownie

Carlisle, PA

#5 Jun 17, 2008
Set up a fund so that Dave and all of his liberal friends can make this happen. As loose as they want to be with everyone's money, lets use their money this time. BTW put the last bunch of transit managers in jail first.
Dean

Birdsboro, PA

#7 Jun 17, 2008
In the right hands the transit would be wonderful in that area. I don't know why people think their tax money is going to pay for it? Is that what happened the last time? I know in the big cities, you pay for the transit. It doesn't come out of your taxes. Yeah your local taxes might go toward the upkeep, but I think they are being spent on the increasing salaries of the county officials
Edward

New Castle, DE

#8 Jun 17, 2008
Dean wrote:
In the right hands the transit would be wonderful in that area. I don't know why people think their tax money is going to pay for it? Is that what happened the last time? I know in the big cities, you pay for the transit. It doesn't come out of your taxes. Yeah your local taxes might go toward the upkeep, but I think they are being spent on the increasing salaries of the county officials
Dean-O, are you aware of the taxpayer's money and subsidies that are pumped into SEPTA? If the advocates of the Chambersburg Trolly get grants from the state, that's taxpayer's money. You're smoking something if you believe the proposed transit system will not use taxpayer funds then please be kind enough, Dean, to reveal where you think the capital would come from.
small consumer

United States

#9 Jun 17, 2008
Do we really need an "International Transportation Expert" to look at this? Is he receiving a fee, or pay, and from whom?

Maybe we should start with the basics, and concentrate on one bus that shuttles riders around town or the county. For example, a Main street and Wayne Avenue run that goes back and forth to the Mall, with local stops such as Norland Ave. and food stores. Mr. Cullinane may want to distance himself from this, because he is too concerned with the downtown merchants.
How about

Chambersburg, PA

#10 Jun 17, 2008
How about having mass transit trains that run along side I81 to Harrisburg, with public busses within each town along the way.
I, for one, would gladly give up my "in-dependance" on my car to ride public transport. I'm tired of paying some already rich oil baron just for the priviledge to drive. The oil companies are "making record profits" and I can't even afford to drive to the beach!
It's a break from traditional thinking, but maybe we could use a little change...Like doing away with a 3-month summer school break...but that's another story.
Just some food for thought.
HereSince1740

York, PA

#11 Jun 17, 2008
"Vans could drive fixed routes with the ability to drive a short distance off the route to pick up someone."

WHAT?? Is Cullinane and his group NUTS??!?

I can't recall that I have seen VANS successfully used in any PUBLIC MASS transportation system ANYWHERE in my 14 years of business travel inside and out of the U.S.-- other than as AIRPORT Rental Car shuttles, taxis in Vegas, or a vehicle for the laborer pool.

Folks who want mass transit WON'T support stogey-looking vans, when they would much prefer spiffy-looking, high 'cool factor' short buses such as Rabbit Transit's black buses in York, or those in Orlando with splashy, friendly graphics.

Myself and my friends, we would MUCH rather support an old-time style trolley, or a vintage-looking town rail-car concept (Hey! Now THAT would work well with our supposed focus on local history wouldn't it??).
[ Chambersburg Tranist had the right idea, visually and astehically - they just ran a screwed-up operation financially ].

Or hey, how about a CNG/Lp fuel real transit bus??

Or while we're at it, why shouldn't ALL local governments group together, and plan a re-enegized TROLLEY system once again - like back in Chambersburg's good old days?? Can you imagine the tourist business that would come here, JUST to ride a trolley through a small town, once again??

But VANS?? Low-mileage, dull, boring vans?

C'mon Paul - give us something more visually appealing, or at minimum, in keeping either with the town's historic flavor or something more 'earth-friendly' like CNG/propane.

Vans? My old soccer mom had a VAN, Paul.

Ick.
Jud

New Castle, DE

#12 Jun 17, 2008
An expert is anyone who lives at least 40 miles away and carries a briefcase. There ought to be local people who can prepare a study and analyze the notion of public transportation. If the "hidden agenda" is to benefit the dead downtown, then it won't get far. It seems to me that local volunteers can develop a business plan to learn what's needed to make it work.
Alright

Johnson City, TN

#13 Jun 17, 2008
HereSince1740 wrote:
"Vans could drive fixed routes with the ability to drive a short distance off the route to pick up someone."
WHAT?? Is Cullinane and his group NUTS??!?
I can't recall that I have seen VANS successfully used in any PUBLIC MASS transportation system ANYWHERE in my 14 years of business travel inside and out of the U.S.-- other than as AIRPORT Rental Car shuttles, taxis in Vegas, or a vehicle for the laborer pool.
Folks who want mass transit WON'T support stogey-looking vans, when they would much prefer spiffy-looking, high 'cool factor' short buses such as Rabbit Transit's black buses in York, or those in Orlando with splashy, friendly graphics.
Myself and my friends, we would MUCH rather support an old-time style trolley, or a vintage-looking town rail-car concept (Hey! Now THAT would work well with our supposed focus on local history wouldn't it??).
[ Chambersburg Tranist had the right idea, visually and astehically - they just ran a screwed-up operation financially ].
Or hey, how about a CNG/Lp fuel real transit bus??
Or while we're at it, why shouldn't ALL local governments group together, and plan a re-enegized TROLLEY system once again - like back in Chambersburg's good old days?? Can you imagine the tourist business that would come here, JUST to ride a trolley through a small town, once again??
But VANS?? Low-mileage, dull, boring vans?
C'mon Paul - give us something more visually appealing, or at minimum, in keeping either with the town's historic flavor or something more 'earth-friendly' like CNG/propane.
Vans? My old soccer mom had a VAN, Paul.
Ick.
You have my vote 1740!!

That would be great to have a trolley like that, for tourism and transportation. I won't be riding in a van, sorry!
Andy

Harrisburg, PA

#16 Jun 17, 2008
Jud wrote:
An expert is anyone who lives at least 40 miles away and carries a briefcase. There ought to be local people who can prepare a study and analyze the notion of public transportation. If the "hidden agenda" is to benefit the dead downtown, then it won't get far. It seems to me that local volunteers can develop a business plan to learn what's needed to make it work.
Because the area supports the need for a transportation expert?

Volunteers are in no way qualified or even remotely as experienced as a well-trained transportation expert with the credentials to do what is needed. I challenge you to put two proposals together, one done by a well trained transportation expert, and one by local volunteers and then compare the differences. I can guarantee they won't even be close, and the voluneteers won't know the laws, requirements, etc necessary for such an endevour.

Ought to be local people? You live in Chambersburg and Franklin County. The area doesn't have a need for these experts to make it viable for them to live and work here on a constant basis, hence the need to find them from outside the area.
Andy

Harrisburg, PA

#17 Jun 17, 2008
Alright wrote:
<quoted text>
You have my vote 1740!!
That would be great to have a trolley like that, for tourism and transportation. I won't be riding in a van, sorry!
Trolleys are nice and all: but how do you propose paying for the rails, electric needed for them (unless they are gas, but if your going for nostalgia, you need electric). Then you need to rip up roads for the rails, then you have a traffic nightmare because they take away the existing roads. Nice, but won't work.
Andy

Harrisburg, PA

#18 Jun 17, 2008
Stinkeye wrote:
Considering the current business condition of downtown Chambersburg, I would suggest a fleet of colorful Tijuana Taxis, circa 1970 Chevrolet Impalas with low-rider suspensions.
Oh, and let's also position a Mariachi band on each corner.
Ole'!
LOL
I wondered how long until a thread would go racist. Leave it to the fine folks of the area to always bring it back to the racism and use race as some sort of divide.
Andy

Harrisburg, PA

#19 Jun 17, 2008
one who knows wrote:
Stinkeye:
Those 1970 Chevys can we get them with bouncing suspension so we can sit at the red light and elevate and lower to the song, viva la vida loca. And have some graphics in the back windshielf. Can see it now when you call for a ride, press ono for Spanish, Chico we will be there to pick you up in diez minutes, press dos for English, you are SOL we don't pick up Gringos.
Gotta love how every forum will always, at some point, come back to some for of racism. It is disgusting and makes me embarassed to be an American and live in this area that these posts continue to flow. Typical that these people don't know their own history. It is sad really, that they don't understand how this great country was founded and created, but instead continue to spew racist posts at every turn. It simply shows their lack of education and narrow mind. I really feel sorry for you that you cannot grow as an individual as a result of such a narrow view of the world and with such a lack of education.
Dean

Birdsboro, PA

#20 Jun 17, 2008
Edward wrote:
<quoted text> Dean-O, are you aware of the taxpayer's money and subsidies that are pumped into SEPTA? If the advocates of the Chambersburg Trolly get grants from the state, that's taxpayer's money. You're smoking something if you believe the proposed transit system will not use taxpayer funds then please be kind enough, Dean, to reveal where you think the capital would come from.
Hey I posted that pretty early in the morning; I didn't quite read some of the other post right. lol. I thought some were implying that riders would ride free via the tax payer's money. See what happens before morning coffee.
Gladys

New Castle, DE

#21 Jun 17, 2008
Andy wrote:
<quoted text>
Gotta love how every forum will always, at some point, come back to some for of racism. It is disgusting and makes me embarassed to be an American and live in this area that these posts continue to flow. Typical that these people don't know their own history. It is sad really, that they don't understand how this great country was founded and created, but instead continue to spew racist posts at every turn. It simply shows their lack of education and narrow mind. I really feel sorry for you that you cannot grow as an individual as a result of such a narrow view of the world and with such a lack of education.
Andy, who is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read the posts on the forum? If you don't like what's posted, don't read it. You make it sound like you have no choice and when a term like "Tijuana Taxi" is mentioned you leap into your arm-waving, red faced screech about racism. Take a break, don't let it get to you.
Andy

Harrisburg, PA

#22 Jun 17, 2008
Gladys wrote:
<quoted text> Andy, who is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read the posts on the forum? If you don't like what's posted, don't read it. You make it sound like you have no choice and when a term like "Tijuana Taxi" is mentioned you leap into your arm-waving, red faced screech about racism. Take a break, don't let it get to you.
Gladys: you simply don't get it. I was interested in reading what others thought about the possible public transportation coming back to Chambersburg. Instead: I read racist filled posts about Mexicans. What shocks me is this doesn't offend you as a human being living in the 21st century.

I read the forums expecting to see posts about the story on hand, not racist filled posts about people trying to better their lot in life, something that every human being wants, whether they are European, Spanish, African, Asian or any combination of the aforementioned.
Andy

Harrisburg, PA

#23 Jun 17, 2008
Gladys wrote:
<quoted text> Andy, who is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read the posts on the forum? If you don't like what's posted, don't read it. You make it sound like you have no choice and when a term like "Tijuana Taxi" is mentioned you leap into your arm-waving, red faced screech about racism. Take a break, don't let it get to you.
Gladys: But I like your typical response: just don't read it. Turn your back on the problem and ignore it. That is the best solution: ignore the problem and it usually will go away. Sweep it under the covers and pretend it doesn't exist, that is the best solution.

What is the best way to solve racism: ignore it and allow it to continue. Better yet: I will raise my children to know that should they encounter racism, go along with it because no one is forcing it on them. I think for movie night this weekend: "Birth of a Nation."

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